American Politics

[M3J]

As a black man, I'm not gonna cry about a white dude calling a Turkish dude nigga.

Especially not Destiny. And especially not after what happened that's caused this reaction.

holy shit this explains everything, you being okay with a white guy saying the 'n' word.

I mean, what do you expect protests to look like? Are colleges supposed to simply accept their buildings being taken over and sometimes vandalized? Are cops supposed to not try to help college personnel to get the place running?

How do you keep missing the point? Biden is lying about these protests and keeps painting the protesters as violent! They are not the violent ones! This puts Palestine supporters and Muslims in even more danger because people think they're just destroying stuff, like how BLM protests were hurt by people who were plants trying to make protesters look violent.

1. They are not supposed to get violent with protesters to the point of sending them to the hospital
2. They're not supposed to get violent with faculty who aren't even threats
3. They're not violent to Zionists and white supremacists, at all
4. They keep arresting protesters for no reason, even making up stupid rules like no masking.

 

[ninjabot]

holy shit this explains everything, you being okay with a white guy saying the 'n' word.

Like I said: context.

 

[M3J]

Pretty much... I can understand a protest being messy, and if anything that's a requirement, but it's also unfair to expect random folk who may or not even be familiar with an issue to be simply ok with not being able to go about their day. I was an international student back in the day, I probably would have been ok with one or two days of protests but after that I would have been perfectly ok with the police tear gassing people and violently removing them from the premises with as many wounds as they were willing to eat for their principles (which they won't show up to vote for anyways...).

The whole point of a protest is to disrupt things.

--- Double Post Merged, May 16, 2024, Original Post Date: May 16, 2024 ---

 

[ninjabot]

You're posting shit Destiny says like I'm not already following the guy lol.

 

[M3J]

And you're okay with him saying things like that? Yiiikes.

 

[ninjabot]

His general rule is to only say it in private so he's not upsetting black people. But he's also an edgy internet debate bro who will say something you tell him not to say to prove that you have no power over him. He's also Hasan Piker's mortal enemy, and the context of the quotes are this:

Hasan Piker likes to moralize about Destiny saying nigga in private, while he's simultaneously calling white people cracker. Over the past few weeks a friend of Hasan named Ludwig donated 10,000 dollars to Palestine and said for his chat to donate as well "If they want to", and if they don't it's fine... and one of Hasan's mods and a streamer friend who is a Muslim far-left extremist streamer too, had this reaction:


Because he didn't try to strongarm his chat into donating. Even accused him of not being against genocide too.

Next, Hasan had to come to her defense, on account of him being a piece of shit with this take:


Basically he's one of the lefties that think you can't be racist against white people, and any white person hurt by the word cracker is a pussy.

NEXT, there was a chatter in Hasan's stream who pointed out he was a white kid growing up in a black neighborhood who used to get beat up and called cracker by black kids throughout his entire life in grade school, and it hurts him to hear Hasan make light of white racial slurs. And Hasan spent practically a whole stream belittling the guy.



Now, I agree cracker isn't as bad as the hard R n-word (I'm fucking black, of course I agree cracker isn't as bad), but when cracker is used as a racial slur to hurt a white person? Then it IS just as bad, and should be treated just as badly.

Not to mention Hasan and his fans called Destiny "Gusano" regularly, which is a racial slur for Cubans which means worm, and he explained it away as "No one really uses it, and even if they did, Destiny is half white, and passes as white, and doesn't really care, he's just being selective."

So yeah, like I said. Context. It's hard to make yourself look like the badguy when you got a white dude out here saying nigga, but Hasan pulled it off.

 

[kkck]

holy shit this explains everything, you being okay with a white guy saying the 'n' word.



How do you keep missing the point? Biden is lying about these protests and keeps painting the protesters as violent! They are not the violent ones! This puts Palestine supporters and Muslims in even more danger because people think they're just destroying stuff, like how BLM protests were hurt by people who were plants trying to make protesters look violent.

1. They are not supposed to get violent with protesters to the point of sending them to the hospital
2. They're not supposed to get violent with faculty who aren't even threats
3. They're not violent to Zionists and white supremacists, at all
4. They keep arresting protesters for no reason, even making up stupid rules like no masking.

I wasn't being hyperbolic when I mentioned the amount of violence the police should use earlier. The police is ultimately an organization which is explicitly coercive. Add to that... Why would the police do anything to anyone else? Are white supremacists relevant to this at all? Are zionists setting up camps and taking over buildings at college campuses? If people set up camps and take over university buildings and the university's staff calls the police then when the folk in camps and such refuse to leave then the next step is the police doing their job and use violence. Do you think it'd make any sense whatsoever for the police to side with protesters rather than the university's staff on this one?

 

[M3J]

Basically he's one of the lefties that think you can't be racist against white people, and any white person hurt by the word cracker is a pussy.

You really cannot be racist against white people in the west, that's a fact. Calling them cracker is not the same as white people calling Black people the 'n' word or calling South Asians savages (ironically, even). That's like me saying Hinduphobia or anti-Indian racism exists in India, where Hindus are the dominant group, and Indians cannot be racist against their own.

If anything, racism against white people would be if they were put in danger in countries not dominated by white people, like UAE, just because they're white.

I wasn't being hyperbolic when I mentioned the amount of violence the police should use earlier. The police is ultimately an organization which is explicitly coercive. Add to that... Why would the police do anything to anyone else? Are white supremacists relevant to this at all? Are zionists setting up camps and taking over buildings at college campuses? If people set up camps and take over university buildings and the university's staff calls the police then when the folk in camps and such refuse to leave then the next step is the police doing their job and use violence. Do you think it'd make any sense whatsoever for the police to side with protesters rather than the university's staff on this one?

I don't think you read my posts, at all. Last sentence more than implies that.

The police is ultimately a violent organization whose purpose is to defend the wealthy and white supremacists, which is why they either need to be abolished or reformed. Anyone who does some critical thinking would wonder why cops are getting violent with university's staff and peaceful protesters but not with Zionists and white supremacists, who are the ones actually being violent. There's no justification whatsoever for getting violent with staff members and protesters, and I feel like you also have no understanding of how protests work either.

I wish protesters were violent, because Zionists don't deserve peaceful protests when they're attacking innocent people.

 

[ninjabot]

You really cannot be racist against white people in the west, that's a fact. Calling them cracker is not the same as white people calling Black people the 'n' word or calling South Asians savages (ironically, even). That's like me saying Hinduphobia or anti-Indian racism exists in India, where Hindus are the dominant group, and Indians cannot be racist against their own.

If anything, racism against white people would be if they were put in danger in countries not dominated by white people, like UAE, just because they're white.

If I believed that I was genetically superior to ALL white people (because I'm black), and believed that America would be a better place if they were either bred out of existence, exiled from America so I could start a black ethnostate, or simply executed for the sin of being born sans-melanin, what word would you use to describe me?

 

[M3J]

If I believed that I was genetically superior to ALL white people (because I'm black), and believed that America would be a better place if they were either bred out of existence, exiled from America so I could start a black ethnostate, or simply executed for the sin of being born sans-melanin, what word would you use to describe me?

I don't think I've ever seen any non-white person say that, that'd be fucked up. Many of them who would come across as "reverse racist" like white people who are allies and hate people like David Duke, who is a bigot.

 

[ninjabot]

I don't think I've ever seen any non-white person say that, that'd be fucked up. Many of them who would come across as "reverse racist" like white people who are allies and hate people like David Duke, who is a bigot.

Just because you've never heard a non-white person say that, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Behold.

Black Hammer Party - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Black Hammer Party, formerly the Black Hammer Organization and commonly known as the Black Hammers, is a Black nationalist group that advocates black separatism, conservatism, decolonization, and political violence. The organization was founded in Atlanta, Georgia in 2019, by ex-members of the African People's Socialist Party, and has undergone a transition from far-left politics to far-right politics. It rose to prominence in the early 2020s amidst the George Floyd protests and the 2020–2023 United States racial unrest, when it attempted to construct a compound in the Rocky Mountains which it named "Hammer City."[7][8][9]

Kodzo is known for his controversial social media presence. On January 24, 2021, he released a video wearing Joker makeup and calling Holocaust victim Anne Frank a "bleach demon," a "colonizer," a "parasite", and a "Karen," and claiming that he was going to burn copies of her diary for warmth.[13][14][15] According to The Forward, the group's membership began to decline around early August 2021 due to "Kevin Rashid Johnson of the New Afrikan Black Panther Party [accusing] the organization of being an undercover right-wing group trying to sow division within leftist movements."[16]


So what is the word for a black person who hates white people because of their race?

 

[kkck]

You really cannot be racist against white people in the west, that's a fact. Calling them cracker is not the same as white people calling Black people the 'n' word or calling South Asians savages (ironically, even). That's like me saying Hinduphobia or anti-Indian racism exists in India, where Hindus are the dominant group, and Indians cannot be racist against their own.

If anything, racism against white people would be if they were put in danger in countries not dominated by white people, like UAE, just because they're white.


I don't think you read my posts, at all. Last sentence more than implies that.

The police is ultimately a violent organization whose purpose is to defend the wealthy and white supremacists, which is why they either need to be abolished or reformed. Anyone who does some critical thinking would wonder why cops are getting violent with university's staff and peaceful protesters but not with Zionists and white supremacists, who are the ones actually being violent. There's no justification whatsoever for getting violent with staff members and protesters, and I feel like you also have no understanding of how protests work either.

I wish protesters were violent, because Zionists don't deserve peaceful protests when they're attacking innocent people.

As far as i can tell there isn't an ongoing issue of the police getting violent with universities' staff. There's an ongoing issue of protesters taking over campuses and the staff calling the police.

 

[M3J]

Just because you've never heard a non-white person say that, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Behold.

Black Hammer Party - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Black Hammer Party, formerly the Black Hammer Organization and commonly known as the Black Hammers, is a Black nationalist group that advocates black separatism, conservatism, decolonization, and political violence. The organization was founded in Atlanta, Georgia in 2019, by ex-members of the African People's Socialist Party, and has undergone a transition from far-left politics to far-right politics. It rose to prominence in the early 2020s amidst the George Floyd protests and the 2020–2023 United States racial unrest, when it attempted to construct a compound in the Rocky Mountains which it named "Hammer City."[7][8][9]

Kodzo is known for his controversial social media presence. On January 24, 2021, he released a video wearing Joker makeup and calling Holocaust victim Anne Frank a "bleach demon," a "colonizer," a "parasite", and a "Karen," and claiming that he was going to burn copies of her diary for warmth.[13][14][15] According to The Forward, the group's membership began to decline around early August 2021 due to "Kevin Rashid Johnson of the New Afrikan Black Panther Party [accusing] the organization of being an undercover right-wing group trying to sow division within leftist movements."[16]


So what is the word for a black person who hates white people because of their race?

From that link, it seems they started out with good intentions but once someone else took over, things went south. I've learned enough about USA's actual history that I'm not going to even think about policing what Black people say or do, given everything they've gone through. However, what The Black Hammer Party became is beyond fucked up and the same as the Nazis or KKK.


Out of curiosity, what do you think about diversity and DEI? Against it? Support it? Think it's detrimental? Think it evens up the field a bit?

As far as i can tell there isn't an ongoing issue of the police getting violent with universities' staff. There's an ongoing issue of protesters taking over campuses and the staff calling the police.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/11/us/professors-campus-arrests-invs/index.html

From UCLA to Columbia, Professors Nationwide Defend Students as Politicians and Police Attack

University faculty from UCLA to Columbia have put their bodies and livelihoods on the line amid a brutal, violent response to student protests for Gaza.

theintercept.com

I am not saying anything out of my ass, it's almost always based on what I see, which I fact check almost all the time, since I know the left can get things wrong or misinform.



Also, anyone's thoughts on Harrison Butker?

 

[kkck]

From that link, it seems they started out with good intentions but once someone else took over, things went south. I've learned enough about USA's actual history that I'm not going to even think about policing what Black people say or do, given everything they've gone through. However, what The Black Hammer Party became is beyond fucked up and the same as the Nazis or KKK.


Out of curiosity, what do you think about diversity and DEI? Against it? Support it? Think it's detrimental? Think it evens up the field a bit?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/11/us/professors-campus-arrests-invs/index.html

From UCLA to Columbia, Professors Nationwide Defend Students as Politicians and Police Attack

University faculty from UCLA to Columbia have put their bodies and livelihoods on the line amid a brutal, violent response to student protests for Gaza.

theintercept.com

I am not saying anything out of my ass, it's almost always based on what I see, which I fact check almost all the time, since I know the left can get things wrong or misinform.



Also, anyone's thoughts on Harrison Butker?

Welp, but of those articles are framing that poorly. First of all, the cnn article is talking about 50 arrested faculty... against 2400 arrested students. And the cops didn't appear magically to squash palestine supporters, they were called by the university's staff (obviously not the same that got arrested). I suppose you could make a case that some staff are rabid supporters of israel or something like that but in the vast majority of cases it's just people who don't want the campuses they run to be seiged/vandalized and for the rest of students to go to class.

 

[ninjabot]

A video explaining the differences between Trump and Biden, btw. For anyone that believes they're the same. *cough*

 

[catagon87]

I don't think I've ever seen any non-white person say that, that'd be fucked up. Many of them who would come across as "reverse racist" like white people who are allies and hate people like David Duke, who is a bigot.

Serious question: have you been to Asia? I had way more issues as a half-white person in Japan than I did being a half-Japanese person in the USA (I don't look white at all). In the USA it literally never came up here beyond people asking me out of curiosity in high school. Middle school in Japan was hell though as quite a few kids (and their parents) were pretty insistent on excluding me from anything and telling them how the dirty hafu will corrupt them.

I always found it weird how touchy the USA is about race though. People are so blatant about it in Asia. There's no negative repercussions to being openly racist in Japan as long as your target is non-Japanese. In the USA curiosity can be perceived as racism (something as simple as asking someone where they're from) and most of the time the touchiest people aren't even members of the group they claim is being victimized. It's a mindfuck.

This is all aside from the fact that there are quite a few ethnic cleansing happening in the world right now, and the majority of them are not being done by the whites of the West. Several are going on in Central Africa (Sudan), there's a few in Asia (Myanmar, Uyghurs in China), India, and Syria is also eliminating non-Sunni-Muslims (which includes Shia and Christians).

 

[ninjabot]

I always found it weird how touchy the USA is about race though. People are so blatant about it in Asia. There's no negative repercussions to being openly racist in Japan as long as your target is non-Japanese. In the USA curiosity can be perceived as racism (something as simple as asking someone where they're from) and most of the time the touchiest people aren't even members of the group they claim is being victimized. It's a mindfuck.

It's because in the US, your black neighbor is probably a kid who's great great great grandfather was owned by YOUR great great great grandfather, lol. Generational trauma is a real thing. Also, Japan is so homogenous that even when doing something wrong they get the benefit of the doubt to just say "Majority rules. We're not going to change our cultural beliefs for less than 1 percent of our population. You don't like it? Take your ass back to the US gaijin."

America is majority white, but not enough that all the whites here can survive a civil war of all the minority groups coming together to de-mayonnaise the population.

Also, there's the problem of white guilt and first-world luxury allowing us to worry about more things than just where our food and shelter comes from. Everyone wants to be the good guy and you do that by helping the poor people that are less fortunate than yourself. Some people, because they're looking for identity in either their religious or political beliefs, let them take over and become their driving force for everything they do. And the more they want to feel "seen", the harder they fight for those beliefs. Ergo... the current protests.

 

[kkck]

Serious question: have you been to Asia? I had way more issues as a half-white person in Japan than I did being a half-Japanese person in the USA (I don't look white at all). In the USA it literally never came up here beyond people asking me out of curiosity in high school. Middle school in Japan was hell though as quite a few kids (and their parents) were pretty insistent on excluding me from anything and telling them how the dirty hafu will corrupt them.

I always found it weird how touchy the USA is about race though. People are so blatant about it in Asia. There's no negative repercussions to being openly racist in Japan as long as your target is non-Japanese. In the USA curiosity can be perceived as racism (something as simple as asking someone where they're from) and most of the time the touchiest people aren't even members of the group they claim is being victimized. It's a mindfuck.

This is all aside from the fact that there are quite a few ethnic cleansing happening in the world right now, and the majority of them are not being done by the whites of the West. Several are going on in Central Africa (Suden), there's a few in Asia (Myanmar, Uyghurs in China), India, and Syria is also eliminating non-Sunni-Muslims (which includes Shia and Christians).

In the virtue-signalese language it is impossible for non white folk to ever be racist. Even if they were it would be impossible to put together a sentence that would convey it. It's a thing of beauty honestly.

 

[ninjabot]

Just wanna emphasize that I posted a link to a black separatist group that hates white people and he (M3J) still wouldn't accept that black people could be racist.

I am an African American male who was born and raised in North Carolina, one of the more racist southern countries in America. And even I have seen instances of racism against white people. And I'm not a conservative. I'm not even a centrist, I'm a Social Democrat.

The behavior of leftists push me further away from identifying as a progressive because they make us look crazy.

 

[catagon87]

Just wanna emphasize that I posted a link to a black separatist group that hates white people and he (M3J) still wouldn't accept that black people could be racist.

I am an African American male who was born and raised in North Carolina, one of the more racist southern countries in America. And even I have seen instances of racism against white people. And I'm not a conservative. I'm not even a centrist, I'm a Social Democrat.

The behavior of leftists push me further away from identifying as a progressive because they make us look crazy.

Racism is simply the idea of a particular race having superior traits to another. It's one of those things where marginalized groups are more likely to be victims of racism than perpetrators, but that's definitely not a requirement to being racist. It's like saying "Only large objects can be heavy." A large object is more likely to be heavy, but density matters. I've witnessed non-white relatives first hand claiming racial superiority over other Asian races.

I feel like the problem with all of the arguments on this thread is that nuance is basically dead here. It's kind of exhausting to read. Some of it reads out like a literal parody on Social Justice Warriors and can be a bit hard to believe. I sometimes feel like these insanely hard-lined beliefs start as a parody then get developed into a serious belief system by some.