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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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This post may not age well at all but I want to draw you attention to this interesting event.

Will wait for now to see what others that didn't even start playing have to say before getting worried about getting lynched.
After Gry went in wait and see mode, his next post he mentions Jinx.

Not sure who I’d switch to, maybe Crescent. I don‘t like how she just said I was weird then refused to elaborate, feels like trying to lead more votes on me without committing. Don‘t feel good about you nor Shad much either.
He has a point that jinx said he was fishy and voted GB in the same post.

If the theory that Gry was out of balance since the beginning of the game is true this could be his attemp at shifting gears to throwing Sus on a teammate in case he doesn't make it.

He could also be playing 4D chess and doing the opposite, but very unlikely since he seems to be 1 step too slow this day phase and at the time he made the post he only had 2 votes so it wasn't yet too scary, but that just an impression wouldn't put it past him either way.

So just pointing this out since it may became a subject of discussion depending on what happens today.
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why use noble D1 on an inactive ?
Check my post above with the meme, can't think of any other reason, let see what others say.
 

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Jinx's vote on GB is a revenge vote on his vote on her XD it's their thing, they in love. Wouldn't call that sus, UNLESS it's 2 mafias playing the vote u , revenge vote back card to stay out of the main lynch train early on. Plus they're both very under the radar, so got that in my notes.

Yea I saw your comment after I posted. Makes sense? Idk haven't had many games with noble in them.
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with 18 players game should have 4 mafias or 5? 4 + traitor/sleeper?

=_= the sleeper trauma is awakening in me.
 

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Im going to votekill Crescent right now but I'll be back before the day ends. A Gry lynch would be ok by me.

My guess is Gry is Mafia Gambler Robber <<< edited to not make hosts lose their minds
 
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why use noble D1 on an inactive ?
Sam isn't a top voted, plus the noble can confirm they exist early on for later claim and proof check under the scrutiny of townies.

I think Jinx is sus, sincerely, but so was Gry. I'll votekill Crescent for now, not like Gry needs more votes to be up top and as usual, when too many people gather, I'd expect a mafia or two to be hiding among them regardless of Gry's allegiance.
 

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ah @Erinyes @Farfalla my guess for Gry is he's Mafia Boss

honestly idk what role he'd have, to be playing like this, doesn't seem too concerned with being lynched, a bit disappointing xD
 

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Jinx's vote on GB is a revenge vote on his vote on her XD it's their thing, they in love. Wouldn't call that sus, UNLESS it's 2 mafias playing the vote u , revenge vote back card to stay out of the main lynch train early on. Plus they're both very under the radar, so got that in my notes.

Yea I saw your comment after I posted. Makes sense? Idk haven't had many games with noble in them.
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with 18 players game should have 4 mafias or 5? 4 + traitor/sleeper?

=_= the sleeper trauma is awakening in me.
Thats not exactly how it goes Saku
5 would be the number of mafias in one single group, thats correct, but if we take the wording that Farf used for the rules she talked about "teams" and "factions" in plural, which could mean 2 mafias or 1 mafia + TP

Depending on how the balance is shifted it could go 3 red mafos + 3 orange mafos , or 4 mafos + Mentor with traitor/sleeper around.
I would believe the mafia is actually stacked, since Town may not even lose roles if they dont let themselves be guessed with ease.
 

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My guess is Gry is Mafia Gambler
lol did I miss a patch? XD

when too many people gather, I'd expect a mafia or two to be hiding among them regardless of Gry's allegiance.
Hmm I don't think so, not D1 and not in the first 4 votes on Gry who is very popular person people like to defend, in fact every person that voted him gave very good reasons, the weakest vote is the last one but not by much, it is still strong enough, domnspeed isn't playing.

I can see mafia voting him as a way to help lynch Gry if he is town in that case it would be evil who will be capable of this way of thinking.

But I currently don't mind cres votes that much, until she talks more.

Jinx's vote on GB is a revenge vote on his vote on her XD it's their thing, they in love. Wouldn't call that sus, UNLESS it's 2 mafias playing the vote u , revenge vote back card to stay out of the main lynch train early on. Plus they're both very under the radar, so got that in my notes.
I see what you mean but it doesn't contradict my post, in the scenario both are mafia it sounds normal that cres would be willing to Sus Gry but not be willing to screw him with a vote, and therefor revenge voting GB.

As a way to say tomorrow: I also didn't trust him.
 

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lol did I miss a patch? XD
I meant Mafia Robber lmao

Ahh Gambler brought back memories, so useless and memetic... I miss it
 

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Buddies, how does that silly guessing game go during the day? Not sure I fully get it.

If we have a Mafia lynched, let's say Boss, and 5 people voted and everyone had a guess. Let's say Boss 1x, Escort 1x, Janior 1x, Detective 1x, Gambler 1x. Can the Boss pass on the role or not?


Katrina, Isa, can you enlighten us?


Do there need to be a majority on the guesses too in order for it to not be passed? Like Boss 2x, rest 1x?

Depending on how it works we should spread our guesses to cover as many roles or not.

Yeah, time is up, hitting the hay eryone. See you before day end at some point!

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Also, do all guesses count on the day lynched guy? Ergo, Birdie guessed Gry's role, but didn't vote aka didn't kill him, does that work?
 

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Thats true, the whole guessing at Day could go many ways. If its not allowed I could guess the same thing on Crescent tho.

I'll go sleep now, have to get up too early tomorrow. I hope Bran, Sam and Holt spoke something by the time I check again
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Oh and Kat, I keep forgetting about her :XD
 

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Buddies, how does that silly guessing game go during the day? Not sure I fully get it.

If we have a Mafia lynched, let's say Boss, and 5 people voted and everyone had a guess. Let's say Boss 1x, Escort 1x, Janior 1x, Detective 1x, Gambler 1x. Can the Boss pass on the role or not?


Katrina, Isa, can you enlighten us?

Do there need to be a majority on the guesses too in order for it to not be passed? Like Boss 2x, rest 1x?

Depending on how it works we should spread our guesses to cover as many roles or not.

Yeah, time is up, hitting the hay eryone. See you before day end at some point!

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Also, do all guesses count on the day lynched guy? Ergo, Birdie guessed Gry's role, but didn't vote aka didn't kill him, does that work?
Coin toss for top tied guesses from the ones that got the person lynched
 

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Ok, we never get it guessed in the first lynches then. But still should try.
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And Mafia can manipulate too, by voting and "guessing wrong".
 

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the role guessing will prevent last second votes perhaps, if I had to guess james rye vote I'd say mafia janitor.
 

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how would guessing prevent last min votes exactly?
 

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For all you shaders out there, I’m have a lil over an hour of work in this hell hole. Then I’m going to go home and go to sleep. Then I will play
 

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Omg what happened 👀 why everyone on crescent jinx.. I am scared to go to bed... Mafia game traumata: going to sleep and the whole lynchvote changed or someone target u suddently without the chance for defense...

But yeah i thought of going to bed but now i am scared 🤧
 

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:eek: you don't say.

Isn't the purpose of mafias to throw random hints to throw off balance?

plus for town last min voting they can just go with sth that's already been voted if they follow with the game they should have an idea what to go for, or follow the players who already voted the person they're switching to that they most trust.
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Cause they would have to think of a role to guess, cant just throw a random vote kill.
my above comment was directed at this
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come to think of it mafias can do the same thing as towns when last min voting or switching
 

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I meant Mafia Robber lmao

Ahh Gambler brought back memories, so useless and memetic... I miss it
Hey, coming up with roles that get approved by the Council ain't easy! And at least the Robber came outta the Gambler, sort of. I think I got like .... around ten or more roles or so added to the game which is a lot already. More than I expected when I started playing Mafia on this forum years ago. xD

the role guessing will prevent last second votes perhaps, if I had to guess james rye vote I'd say mafia janitor.
You think that in a game about passing roles to somebody else there are Janitor for the Mafia part? Really?

Hm, another thing the rules don't quite clear up:
@Erinyes @Farfalla
Can the transfer be traced by Spirit Medium since it happens at night if it was due a previous day lynch?
Spirit Medium (Townie): The Spirit Medium can target a dead Townie player. He gets to know which players that Townie targeted every Night, in chronological order. But he doesn't find out any action results. (GAME 72)
Since technically the dead player send his role to somebody else, meaning it was a targeted action, this could mean that a Spirit Medium could figure out to who a dead Mafia send his role which would help figuring out who is his buddy. Maybe not on the same night as the transfer happenes 'cause that would turn the Spirit Medium into a Spirit Spy (which sounds cool as hell) but one night after that night it could surely pop up as a traceable action for the SM, yes?

I'm also going to bed. I hope to see some more passive and active claims so that we can see which towns can be selected for role passing and which ones refuse to give even that kind of basic hint as that might help us figuring out some future potential mafia targets.
 
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