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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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if gry claims IC, shouldn't we just wait for it to trigger? what else makes him sus atm

His plan for Dets to target him instead of Pm/Lamb triggered my alerts made me not want to move from him. With Innocent Child claim I was actually thinking to let him live but now don't know.
 
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what if gry is bomb xD
Something I would rather not think about lol

Votelock GrySun, my guess is he's Mafia Boss

I would not deny a Cres lynch but since she revealed herself as Noble a simple investigation in N2 would clear her name (unless Lover shenanigans).
 

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tbh hurts a little to see my former lover go
 

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though that might just be him buying time to scheme and contribute to mafia pad with his thoughts and plots
 

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what if gry is bomb xD
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---

i don't buy the Innocent child tbh
Still catching up, are the vote updated?


I also don't buy Gry claim.

digitaldude - Didn‘t feel the same genuine enthusiasm I felt of him last game he was town. But given that he‘s not voting me despite a rather big train and no fear to vote same person I did looks normal town to me.
Evil3ye - Hard to read into roleplaying for me. Main noteworthy part was his first larger post where he votes me for being mafia buddies openly with Lambu, was very strange.
Both these statement are false, DD vote means nothing it was thrown as a placeholder vote and happened to be a second vote, evil made a mistake that is obvious, that it isn't lambu.

Gry is being dumb on purpose, not the Gry I know.
 

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Whats the better lynch over him though?

i wanted to vote lawl because thats how I am, but even he feels not quite scummy to me😭
 

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His plan for Dets to target him instead of Pm/Lamb triggered my alerts made me not want to move from him. With Innocent Child claim I was actually thinking to let him live but now don't know.
how can he plan what another player does tho? isnt it up to the det to use their brain and target the actual confirmed player
 

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As much as I’d love to join this train and also brutally murder him, I wonder if we are looking in the wrong direction.

Ha-ha, this is so funny coming from sweet little Marmalade. I agree though, that no body really seem to defend him. But perhaps a learning from last game's mafia to just let the doomed one die peacefully? Ouchy, self burn :XD
 

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how can he plan what another player does tho? isnt it up to the det to use their brain and target the actual confirmed player

He was advocating that they should go for him instead of the host confirmed. He is a respectable player others listen to, so it's suspicious he would come forward with such flawed plan. Remind me Assassin Farfalla in the Magi game, buddy.
 

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if ic gry really dies, a bunch of folks are using revenge as a guise for nefarious plans
 

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@Copy Panda that vote is not helpful

Still catching up, are the vote updated?


I also don't buy Gry claim.





Both these statement are false, DD vote means nothing it was thrown as a placeholder vote and happened to be a second vote, evil made a mistake that is obvious, that it isn't lambu.

Gry is being dumb on purpose, not the Gry I know.
Yeah I could have understood this erratic, confusing playstyle if he had something thats a big yikes if he dies. Innocent Child? Hell no.
 

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Last minutes of the day, I stick to my guts: Votelock GrySun. And with him being fine to be investigated, I change my guess from Mafia Escort to Mafia Boss.

We are allowed to change our guess, right? And if so how often are we allowed to change? @Erinyes @Farfalla
 

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He was advocating that they should go for him instead of the host confirmed. He is a respectable player others listen to, so it's suspicious he would come forward with such flawed plan. Remind me Assassin Farfalla in the Magi game, buddy.
i have no recollection of that game but if hes really ic and self confirming thats not very strange
 

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Oh, ic mafiachan if he choses wrongly? How would that work actually. Though I suppose chances of passing it to townie might be higher no?
if ic gry really dies, a bunch of folks are using revenge as a guise for nefarious plans
 

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15 minutes are left. Everyone voted/guessed?
 

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His plan for Dets to target him instead of Pm/Lamb triggered my alerts made me not want to move from him. With Innocent Child claim I was actually thinking to let him live but now don't know.
Dear buddy this is exactly what I was thinking when reading now. With the IC claim, I was like okay we can delay it and give him the benefit of doubt even if DAY 3 is too early, but the fact that he wanted to be targeted by detectives instead of the Prosecutor duo just seems like he is trying to buy time. It would be perfect for him if he was a mafia with a good role to make most out of it. It makes no sense for the detectives to target him and wait until day 3 to confirm their sanities if they can do it with the Prosecutor duo sooner.

Now I hope I understood it correctly.
 
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