Analysis of a "general Power-ranking scheme" of the manga

[Nobody12]

I open this topic in order to discuss how Togashi created his characters and how i think he use a scheme of Yang and Ying based on Taoism in order to express not only the relationship of characters and their personalities, but also the “general power-ranking” of the characters in the story.

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Obviously these ranking/schemes are the basis of the characters that Togashi use in term of the story, but there are others factors that influence the “power-abilities” of a character and a “victory/defeat situation” and not always the “general stronger” character can defeat the “weaker” in this scheme/ranking.
I think that this is the general scheme that he use in order to compensate inconsistencies of Nen that are present in the manga and that are increasing with the progression of the story and the increase of Nen Abilities.
For examples:
-Gon without Nen can easily lift a men with only a touch, after his training to open the doors of Zoldyck family that weigth tons.
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v05/c044/1.html#ipg19
-Leorio, without Nen, can lift 4 Tons after his training.
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v05/c040/1.html#ipg20
-Hisoka (that is the 3rd in terms of physical strength of the Spider), in his fight with Chrollo, has some difficulties with puppets of 70-90 kg.
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v34/c353/1.html#ipg15
The fight of Chrollo and Hisoka is an example of many inconsistencies (for example the spectators that don't run away but stay in the arena to get killed)
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v34/c353/1.html#ipg3

I have seen that Togashi, with the advance of the story, created many inconsistencies in terms of Nen and Nen abilities, but these schemes are the basis of the general power-ranking of the characters in the story.
As a matter of fact, during the chimera ants arc, Togashi increased power levels (in term of quantity of aura) with the introduction of ants in order to create more hype, now he is doing almost the same with the princes and the increase of nen users on the ship that learn Nen quickly.

For example Tserriednich is similar (even worse) than Pitou:
1)Pitou
-Nen Test
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v19/c198/1.html#ipg4
-Hatsu
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v20/c200/1.html#ipg11
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v20/c200/1.html#ipg12
2)Tserriednich
-Nen Test
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/vTBD/c376/1.html#ipg20
-Hatsu
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/vTBD/c384/1.html#ipg11

As a matter of fact Gon and Killua, that are nen geniuses, learned ten in weeks and hatsu in months, now on this ship everyone (the princes in particular) learn nen quickly and develop strongs hatsu.
Nen that permit resurrection of characters is more frequent.
Also post mortem-nen, that before, was something rare because it was powerful, in this arc it became more prominent, with many characters (even secondary and tertiary) with post-mortem nen abilities because Togashi wants increase power-levels of characters in this arc like he has done in the chimera ants arc.
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/vTBD/c389/1.html#ipg16
So I think that Togashi will show stronger Nen abilities with the progression of the story increasing also the abilities of already shows characters (in particular Chrollo-Hisoka-Pariston-Ging).

These scheme are also similar to the points of Hisoka (and his analysis of personalities in relation to the categories of Nen):
-Ginta (90)>Kanzai (85)>>Piyon (77)
-Hisoka>Illumi (95)
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v30/c320/1.html#ipg12
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v30/c320/1.html#ipg13
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v30/c320/1.html#ipg14
As a matter of fact, generically speaking, Hisoka and Illumi>Zodiacs like Hisoka and Illumi>Genei Ryodan.

This is a simplification, because these schemes are much more complex, but I think that this is the structure that Togashi utilizes to create the basis of his story and his characters in order to have a general consistence of characters and their power-ranking, also the meaning of the character and his role in the story.
There are different kinds of scheme with different kinds of relationship that influence the general power-ranking of characters that Togashi want create for a certain character in the story of the Manga that are based on the Tao and Yang-Yin (White and Black hair):
-Group of 2 characters
-Group of 3 characters
-Group of 4 characters

1) Main Characters:
The general power ranking of the main characters is (in a simplified way):
-Gon>Killua>Kurapika>Leorio
As a matter of fact Biscuit compared Gon to a diamond and Killua to a sapphire in term of potential:
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v14/c139/1.html#ipg5
Gon>Killua=Diamond>Sapphire

2) Chimera ants:
-Meruem (The King)>>>Pitou>>Pouf>Youpi (3 Royal Gurads)>>>>>>36 Division commanders.
This is also the general scheme of the main characters:
-Gon>Killua>Kurapika>Leorio
-Meruem>Pitou>Pouf>Youpi
This is also the reason why Adult Gon defeated Pitou and Pitou compared Gon with Meruem.

Others generic examples are:
1) Isaac Netero=Beyond Netero (Rougly the same, because they are Yang and Yin)
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v33/c346/1.html#ipg5
2) Isaac Netero>>Zeno>Silva (Zoldyck Family)
Zeno said that he and Netero are like Yang and Yin like he and Silva:
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v25/c264/1.html#ipg10
Also Silva and Zeno vs Chrollo reflects Zeno and Isaac Netero vs Meruem.
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v11/c098/1.html#ipg12
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v25/c270/1.html#ipg16
3) Beyond Netero>>King Nasubi>Benjamin (Hoikoro Family)
Like Beyond Netero is similar to Isaac Netero (Yang and Yin, White Hair-Black Hair)
King Nasubi and his son Benjamin of the Hoikoro family are similar to Zeno and his son Silva of the Zoldyck family.
-Isaac Netero (White hair-White beard) and Zeno Zoldyck (White hair-White Chinese moustache that follows the Chinese culture)
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v25/c268/1.html#ipg4
-Beyond Netero (Black hair-Black beard) and Nasubi Hoikoro (Black hair-Black Chinese moustache that follows the Chinese culture)
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v32/c340/1.html#ipg6
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v32/c340/1.html#ipg8

4) Isaac Netero and Beyond Netero>>>>Zodiacs (the Zodiacs are the sparring partners of Isaac Netero that he personally chose because of their strength among others hunters)
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v30/c319/1.html
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v33/c341/1.html#ipg14
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v33/c341/1.html#ipg20

5) Pariston and Ging>>>>Expedition team
Pariston and Ging>>>>Zodiacs
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v32/c340/1.html#ipg17
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v30/c319/1.html#ipg2
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v30/c319/1.html#ipg3
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v33/c343/1.html#ipg6

6) Chrollo and Hisoka>>>>Genei Ryodan
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v08/c071/1.html#ipg19
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v08/c071/1.html#ipg20
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v34/c352/1.html
7) Hisoka>Illumi
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v31/c326/1.html#ipg15
8) Ging>Muher
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v33/c347/1.html#ipg15
9) Chrollo-Hisoka-Pariston-Ging (Rougly)>>>> Zodiacs/Genei Ryodan (Rougly)

10) Isaac Netero>>>>Morel and Knov (Yang and Yin)
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v19/c199/1.html#ipg3
11) Gensuru>>>>Sabu and Bara (Yang and Yin)
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v16/c153/1.html
12) Tsezugera>>>>his 3 men
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v17/c170/1.html#ipg15
13) Knukle>Shoot>>Palm
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v32/c339/1.html#ipg10

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Feel free to comments and analyse the manga in relation to these schemes (Yang and Yin/White hair and Black hair) to create your own idea about the characters.

 

[Diivil]

Hisoka (that is the 3rd in terms of physical strength of the Spider), in his fight with Chrollo, has some difficulties with puppets of 70-90 kg.

How were the 70-90 kg puppets moving?
That's right, they were being controlled by a Nen ability.

Do you remember that Killua picked up a normal dodgeball that had Raizor's aura around it? It was as heavy as a bowling ball.

So actually it's having difficulties with 70-90 kg puppets infused with Nen.

The fight of Chrollo and Hisoka is an example of many inconsistencies (for example the spectators that don't run away but stay in the arena to get killed)

Did you ever consider the possibility that the actual inconsistency is with your own train of thought and memory?

The fight, and probably most floor master battles, are members only. That means that only Heavens Arena members allowed to attend the fight.

that are nen geniuses, learned ten in weeks and hatsu in months, now on this ship everyone (the princes in particular) learn nen quickly and develop strongs hatsu.
Nen that permit resurrection of characters is more frequent.

The princes are cursed with parasitic Nen. So you cannot compare the princes speed in regards to learning Nen to that of Gon & Killua, or anyone else who is not in the same type of situation as the princes("possessed" by someone's Nen)

Read the Succession War again and you'll understand the reason why the princes are learning rate at a similar rate to that of Gon & Killua's.

If you don't understand it or even try to attempt to, then the entire basis of your "analysis" is honestly a waste of time.

 

[Nobody12]

How were the 70-90 kg puppets moving?
That's right, they were being controlled by a Nen ability.

Do you remember that Killua picked up a normal dodgeball that had Raizor's aura around it? It was as heavy as a bowling ball.

So actually it's having difficulties with 70-90 kg puppets infused with Nen.

They arent infused with nen like the ball of Razor that emit his aura in a ball, they are corpse materialized with Gallery of Fake and animated with Order Stamp.
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v34/c352/1.html#ipg5
The same of the false objects that the Spiders stole in York Shin, the weight was the same of real objects
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v11/c100/1.html#ipg17
There wasn't an explanation that the weight of these puppets changed, only animated.
If Leorio can lift 4 tons without Nen, Killua 16 Tons; Silva, Zeno and Illumi must lift the heaviest door of their house, that is 256 Tons and Hisoka and Chrollo must be around these levels of strenght, kg aren't nothing for them.

Yeah, i remember, and as a matter of fact, Killua thinking that a bowling ball is "heavy" make no sense. The weight of a bowling ball is 7,2 Kg, Killua lifted 16 Tons before learning Nen.
Yeah, someone that lift 16 Tons as an amatour find "heavy" a ball of 7,2 Kg as a professionist with Nen, pure logic.
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v05/c039/1.html#ipg20

Did you ever consider the possibility that the actual inconsistency is with your own train of thought and memory?

The fight, and probably most floor master battles, are members only. That means that only Heavens Arena members allowed to attend the fight.

Did you ever consider the possibility that the actual inconsistency is with YOUR own train of thought and memory?
The fighters in the Celestial Tower were only 172 with 21 floor masters included (Chrollo and Hisoka are 2 of these Floor Masters), "members only" means premium users (like premium users fo tv or Vip) don't Nen Users; they aren't the fighters of the arena. These poeople don't even understood what was happening during the fight. So they were not Nen Users, only normal people stupid enough to don't run away.
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v06/c047/1.html#ipg7
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v34/c353/3.html

The princes are cursed with parasitic Nen. So you cannot compare the princes speed in regards to learning Nen to that of Gon & Killua, or anyone else who is not in the same type of situation as the princes("possessed" by someone's Nen)

I'am not comparing the awekening of Nen but the faster process of learning Nen and hastsu abilities that now are stronger.
However the point is:
-Post-Mortem nen, now, is more frequent
-Resurection abilities are more frequent
-Abilities based on stolen abilities or use others abilities are more frequent (Benjamin ability, Kurapika' Steel Chain, Zhang Lei' Nen beast)
It is evident that Togashi is incresing the level of abilities that are shown in the manga.
As a matter of fact Tserriednich is Nen Test is worse than Pitou because of his personality and ability not for his Nen Beast.

However you are free to think what you want.
Do you even understood that Togashi is using a Yang and Yin scheme to create his characters and it is the basis of the importance of characters in the story?

 

[Diivil]

They arent infused with nen like the ball of Razor that emit his aura in a ball, they are corpse materialized with Gallery of Fake and animated with Order Stamp.

Materialized with Gallery Fake

Infused with Order stamp

Yeah, i remember, and as a matter of fact, Killua thinking that a bowling ball is "heavy" make no sense. The weight of a bowling ball is 7,2 Kg, Killua lifted 16 Tons before learning Nen.
Yeah, someone that lift 16 Tons as an amatour find "heavy" a ball of 7,2 Kg as a professionist with Nen, pure logic.

There is a massive difference between lifting a dodgeball and lifting a bowling ball.

Bieng able to lift 16 tons doesn't take away from your ability to tell the difference in weight between a dodgeball and a bowling ball.

Did you ever consider the possibility that the actual inconsistency is with YOUR own train of thought and memory?
The fighters in the Celestial Tower were only 172 with 21 floor masters included (Chrollo and Hisoka are 2 of these Floor Masters), "members only" means premium users (like premium users fo tv or Vip)

Members only... Do you know how often a floor master battle happens? Why pay for access to a place like that and then run away during one of its rare events?

Do you understand that every single member and staff(referees, announcers)knows what the Heavens Arenas is about and its risks?

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I'am not comparing the awekening of Nen but the faster process of learning Nen and hastsu abilities that now are stronger.
However the point is:

That Gon & Killua, who are nen geniuses, learned ten in weeks and hatsu in months, now on this ship everyone (the princes in particular) learn nen quickly and develop strongs hatsu.
Nen that permit resurrection of characters is more frequent.

Once again: learn what the system is, and if you don't know then...

Read the Succession War again and you'll understand the reason why...

-Post-Mortem nen, now, is more frequent
-Resurection abilities are more frequent
-Abilities based on stolen abilities or use others abilities are more frequent (Benjamin ability, Kurapika' Steel Chain, Zhang Lei' Nen beast)

As a matter of fact Tserriednich's Nen Test is worse than Pitou because of his personality and ability not for his Nen Beast.

It doesn't affect abilities....

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If you don't know, then simply ask before writing an "analysis"

Or at least be open to corrections and criticisms

 

[YipYip]

Although I dont understand the ying-yang thing you were talking about, but about the Puppets thing.

I never thought about it, but I do think they should be no match for Hisoka.
The Nen infused pannel just shows that Nen was activated on them.
Almost every nen user can infuse Nen into objects to some degree.
With the infused Nen you can inherit your will on this object to some degree.
The dodgeball of Raizor was Nen infused and Raizors will was that this dodgeball should be able to knock everyone out of the field.
That is why the dodge ball got heavier with the infused Nen.
The puppets on the other hand are just getting controlled. That is what the infusion does. The will of the User is that the puppets are beeing controllable. It is not modifying any of their respective attributes as strength.

But I think 90 kg puppets holding someone off that is able to lift multiple of tons is a common plothole.
It would make the efforts of lesser characters very futile if this plothole wouldn't be allowed to be.

Please explain more about the Ying Yang thing.
I am interessted.

I have a point about the many Nen users on the ship, but I dont have the time now to point it out in this post.
Maybe I will write later this weekend.

 

[Diivil]

I never thought about it, but I do think they should be no match for Hisoka.
The Nen infused pannel just shows that Nen was activated on them.

The original user of Order Stamp did not want work with corpses, so they were most likely making "actual puppets", how are normal frail puppets supposed to help you out really?

Almost every nen user can infuse Nen into objects to some degree.
With the infused Nen you can inherit your will on this object to some degree.
The dodgeball of Raizor was Nen infused and Raizors will was that this dodgeball should be able to knock everyone out of the field.

Shalnark infused his Nen into regular people, through his needles.

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Illumi infuses his Nen into regular people, through his needles.

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But those regular people become strong enough to easily dispose of a regular child.

Raizor infused his Nen into the dodgeball...

The puppets on the other hand are just getting controlled. That is what the infusion does. The will of the User is that the puppets are beeing controllable. It is not modifying any of their respective attributes as strength.

Do you understand now?

 

[Nobody12]

There is a massive difference between lifting a dodgeball and lifting a bowling ball.

Bieng able to lift 16 tons doesn't take away from your ability to tell the difference in weight between a dodgeball and a bowling ball.

Sorry Diivil, but i don't agree with you, there is a massive difference for normal people, but NOT FOR SOMEONE THAT LIFT TONS. For me, this is nonsense.
-1 Tons=1000Kg
-1Kg=1000g
If you are able to lift Kg, grams are nothing to you. (Do you fell the difference beetween the weight of 7 grams and 25 grams?)
If someone is able to lift Tons, Kg are nothing. Nobody in reality is able to lift Tons.
It is simple.

-Leorio without Nen lift 4 Tons (1 Door of the Zoldyck Family)
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v05/c040/20.html
-Killua without Nen lift 16 Tons (3 Door of the Zoldyck Family)
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v05/c039/20.html
The doors of the Zoldyck family are 7, with a weight of 256 Tons of the 7 door.
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v05/c039/20.html#ipg19
-Silva, Zeno, Illumi can lift the last door, so AT LEAST 256 TONS THAT ARE 256000KG, Chrollo and Hisoka are able to do the same, so Kg to them are nothing for coherence.
So Chrollo, Hisoka, Illumi, Zeno, Silva can easily lift 200000 Kg (200Tons) on regular basis.

Are you telling me that someone that can lift 250 Tons (like Hisoka, Chrollo, Silva, Zeno) can't do this to a pappet, like Gon without Nen?
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v05/c044/19.html

-Weight of a dodgeball: 0,4 Kg
-Weight of a Bowling ball: 7,2 Kg
A dodgebal with Razor's Nen become like a bowling ball, so from 0,4 Kg to 7,2 Kg, the difference is small for tons lifters, he (Killua) hasn't have to worry about it for me.

Yes, Shalnark, Illumi, Chrollo and Razor infuse their nen in their target, but IT IS DIFFERENT. There is nothing that infer that people controlled by Illumi or Shalnark become heavier. And if it is true, there is nothing to calculate the difference of weights.
Also, Hisoka infused his Nen in the head that he used, as a matter of fact, it become harder and heavier to smash the heads of normal puppets.
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v34/c354/1.html#ipg5
So:
-the Nen of Hisoka make the head harder.
-the Nen of Order Stamp don't, only animated them.
Even Hisoka said thet the difference of these puppets to real humans was ONLY that they don't have emotions and are implacables, HE DOESN'T MENTIONED OF THE WEIGHT. SO THESE PUPPETS ARE LIKE HUMANS, BUT ONLY WITHOUT EMOTIONS IN TERMS OF DIFFICULTIES FOR HIM.
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v34/c353/1.html#ipg13

There is nothing that infer that the Nen infused with Order Stamp change the WEIGHT OF PUPPETS. The weight of the dodgeball changed also because of the throw of Razor, not only for the Nen infused.
Also the copies created with Gallery of Fake have aura around them, it means nothing to the weight.
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v11/c100/17.html

However, even if the puppets change the weight, it is not too much from 70-90Kg, it will become at maximum, for example, 700-900Kg for puppet. That it is still nothing for someone like Hisoka that must lift AT LEAST 250 TONS=250000Kg.
It is like 0,7 Grams compared to 25Kg

-70-90 Kg (real weight)
-700-900 Kg (theorical, if you want consider this possibility; impossible for me,)
-Hisoka is a 250 Tons lifter AT LEAST.
Proportions of differences:
-70-90 Kg=70-90 Grams
-700-900 Kg=700-900 Grams
-250 Tons=250 Kg
For someone that can lift 250 Kg, 700-900 Grams are heavy, is it difficult to lift?

Members only... Do you know how often a floor master battle happens? Why pay for access to a place like that and then run away during one of its rare events?

Do you understand that every single member and staff(referees, announcers)knows what the Heavens Arenas is about and its risks?

It is no more a normal fight, it is almost a terrorist attack (they even said it, after the explosion after the fight on tv), even if the people of Havens Arena are prepared for risks in a situation of death, you run away. The spectators behaved like idiots (run around the Arena without understanding nothing of the situation) and they dind't leave when Chrollo was killing them. This is nonsense for me.
Like i have said before, they weren't nen users:
"members only" means premium users (like premium users for TV or Vip) don't Nen Users; they aren't the fighters of the arena. These poeople don't even understood what was happening during the fight. So they were not Nen Users, only normal people stupid enough to don't run away.
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v06/c047/1.html#ipg7
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v34/c353/3.html

I don't want to convince anybody, so if you don't agree, it is ok for me.

The princes are cursed with parasitic Nen. So you cannot compare the princes speed in regards to learning Nen to that of Gon & Killua, or anyone else who is not in the same type of situation as the princes("possessed" by someone's Nen)

The fact that the princes are cursed with a parasitic Nen means nothing to what i have said:
-Post-Mortem Nen of Camilla's Guards aren't linked to Nen beast.
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/vTBD/c389/16.html
-Camilla resurrection ability isn't linked to her Nen Beast
http://fanfox.net/manga/hunter_x_hunter/vTBD/c373/1.html#ipg9
-Benjamin ability to take abilities of his 14 mens isn't linked to his Nen Beast.
-Kurapika Steel Chain isn't linked to Nen beast
-Tserriednich talent isn't linked to his Nen beast (simbolically it is linked to the fact that he represent Jesus Christ and his genius in the same way Isaac Netero represent the Buddha and reflect his history, do you know the symbolic meaning of these characters? Do you really want to do a serious dicussion about the meanings of characters and they role in the series?). He is more talented than Gon and Killua and his Nen Test is worse than Pitou.
Togashi decide to increase Nen abilities in this arc (post mortem Nen, Ressurection abilities, abilities that take other abilities ecc.) like he always has done, deal with it. With the following chapters there will be many other powerful abilities and so on.
Like in every shonen manga, more and stronger abilities with the progression of the story.

Although I dont understand the ying-yang thing you were talking about, but about the Puppets thing.
Please explain more about the Ying Yang thing.
I am interessted.

Can you tell me what you don't understand of Yang and Yin scheme? So i can explain better if you want.

 

[YipYip]

The fight of Chrollo and Hisoka is an example of many inconsistencies (for example the spectators that don't run away but stay in the arena to get killed)

This is not an inconsitency in my opinion.
First of all, the entire fight happened in less than 10 minutes.
It is shown and said during the fight, that the audience should not all rush to the exits at once.
Also 2019, they found a WW2 bomb in the city I live in. They said everyone should leave a certain area. But the whole defusing got delayed because of some few douchbags ignoring the instruction...
So that's that, some people are stupid, some just take longer to make the right decision.
And the dudes on the second floor just thought they were save.

As a matter of fact, during the chimera ants arc, Togashi increased power levels (in term of quantity of aura) with the introduction of ants in order to create more hype, now he is doing almost the same with the princes and the increase of nen users on the ship that learn Nen quickly.

First of all I disagree with this statement.

First part of your statement:
Togashi is not a Hype oriented story teller.
Yes, some developments generate hype, but I think hype is always a companion of good story telling.

If Togashi would have been hype oriented, he would have droped the rose poison to be ineffective and made Adult Gon fight and defeat Meruem.
But his story telling gave us an CA ending that always gives me the tears, when I watch Meruem die in Komugis hands.
The chimera ants are without nen as strong against normal humans like a nen user against normal humans.
Ants are capable of carrying 40 times their own body weight.
If we would say humans are equally capable then one of those Galleryfake Puppets of 80 kg weight would be able to lift 3200 kg.
If we multiply that by the number of puppets used and we found the reason why those puppets actually are effective against Hisoka xD
But humans can not lift 40 times their weight, that is why the ants were that strong even without Nen.

Second part of your statement:
In York New live about 84 People as talented in Nen as Zushi.
If York New is comparable to real world New York.
Then in York New live 8.4 Million people.
This is of course just an estimation relating to Wings statement, that Zushi should not feel bad, that he has a talent of one in onehundredthousand and Gon and Killua have one in ten million. I didn't find the manga pannel he said it, but he says it in the german Anime version.

If Kakin is comparable to China, then its population is 1.393 billion.
Calculating that number with the one in tenmillion divisor and we can estimate, that in Kakin alone live about 139 people at least as talented as Gon and Killua.
And at least 13930 people that are at least as talented as Zushi.

I think the princes that knew about nen beforehand have enough power and means to find capable nen talented humans in their population as Kakin seems to be an autocracy or monarchy.

So in my opinion the amount of Nen users is just the bottom limit of what is arguably reasonable.



About the increasing post-mortem Nen.
Camilla found out about Nen and did what any good autocrat-to-be woud do.
She tried to mass produce it.
She used her resources to find Nen talented people in the commoners .
She let them get educated in Nen and indoctrinated their self-sacrificing mentality.

Benjamin did the same, but didn’t look in the mass of commoners but in a higher stand of people the graduates of Kakins military academy and instead of indoctrinating he convinced them, that he is the rightous and lawfull heir to the throne.

Terrorsandwich is a talent one out of a billion, maybe the most talented human so far.


About the strength of abilities it is as it is beeing said in Chrollo vs Hisoka.
Even the Post-mortem Nen abilities have their disadvatages.
Camillas Pawns can only die once and have to kill them selfs for their ability to take effect.
Camillas Ability is easily countered as shown in the Manga.
And as far es we know it can only kill its opponent, when she died in an active Hatsu-State.
Who knows what happens when she is killed with her guard up or even with her normal Ten.

The antendees of Kurapikas class did not learn Nen in detail. They just learned to calm down and then got forced awakened.

The mafia factions have learned from the York New incident and made sure to get some competent Nen users.

For example Tserriednich is similar (even worse) than Pitou:

The difference is that Pitou is not particular evil. She is an animal with strong instincts. She has a free mind, coming from her human genes, but it is not strong enough to topple her insticts. As she decided to stay at the palace for the safty of the king instead of fighting Morel. She appears evil because she has different ethics, which makes sense, why would an ant value human life?
Terrorsandwich on the other hand knows about the value of live and enjoys destroying potential. Which is actual evil.


Finally about the Ying and Yang Scheme.
I understand from your post that Togashi creates pairs of characters wich are in contrast to each other.
But I think your relations are a bit arbitrary.
For example:
Why should Pito be stronger than Pouf or Youpi.
Why should Suba and Bara be a lot weaker than Genthuru and what makes those two ying and yang?

 

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Lets see.
I have a feeling you dont want to discuss this, but more you want to showcase your oppinion.
I think there is a conflict in your relations.

How do you decide which character comes first in a scheme.
For example the Palace Invasion Arc has many plotlines:
a) Netero fighting Meruem
b) Gon taking Pitou to Kite
c) Knuckle fighting Youpi
d) Ikalgo searching for Palm
(There are more, but to make my point I just need those 4)
Who are the main enemies in these plotlines:
a) Meruem
b) Pitou
c) Youpi
d) Welfin and Bloster
Who are the main protagonists of those plotlines:
a) Isaac
b) Gon
c) Knuckle
d) Ikalgo

Regarding the build up to this story arc we can determine that plotlines c) and d) are just sub-plots. So here your scheme is correct. Youpi, Welfin and Bloster are less important and therefore weaker than Meruem.

But it is not clear to distinguish if plotline b) or a) is the main plotline.
Going by your scheme the antagonist of the main plotline would be the most important enemy.
So the way you described the Ying and Yang Schematic, it is to discuss if Pitou is stronger than Meruem.

You say that Isaac and Beyond are equal.
By that you mean importance to the story and not actual combat prowess right?
It is hinted strongly in the manga, that Beyond searched for strength to survive harsh nature (Dark Continent) and not life and death 1v1 combat.

Therfore going with the Beyond = Isaac relation. Pitou could still be more important, but weaker than Meruem.

If black and white schematics indicate importance to the story, then Gon and Pitou form the Ying and Yang, because of their hair.
Isaac and Meruem do not have this going for them. Isaac has white hair and Meruem has a white helmet.

Your relations either show order of battle prowess or importance to the story, but not both. Gons story is the main plot during the Palace Invasion Arc. So Pitou is more important to the story than Meruem. But that does not make her stronger than Meruem nor Pouf nor Youpi.

I guess we could say, that Beyond is so much better as other at surviving in harsh nature as Isaac is in 1-on-1 combat to the extend that we could say, that their individual "strength" is equal on different fields.

But this does not count for Pitou and Meruem.
The King is designed to be better in everything than any other species his mother knows about.
And he is the pinnacle of his species.

These schemes are similar to Matryoshka dolls, where the first characters of the scheme is the strongest and more important and the last character of the scheme is the weakest and less important to the story.

Going with importance it would be Pitou < Meruem < (Youpi == Pouf)
Going by strength it would be Meruem <<<< Royal Guards

2) Knukle (Black Hair, Yin) and Shoot (White Hair, Yang); like Gon and Killua and for this reason the fights were Knukle vs Gon and Shoot vs Killua.

But in this Ying and Yang Scheme it would have made more sense to let Killua fight Knuckle.