Voting Round 1 Father (Homonculus) vs. Cadis Etrama Di Raizel

[Arjuna]

This is like Daishinkan's case, we lack facts to measure its level so it comes down to speculation on what God could do (???)

You mean Grand Priest right oh yeah.

 

[Lambu]

@Lady pompom come defend your sexy vampire boi

 

[Lady pompom]

I don't even know who this Cadis person is

But Father once he became God was almost unbeatable, it took a combination of no less than 5 alchemists to do anything to him, one who was a Philosopher's stone and quickly burned through his supply. Without Hohenheim, Father would have won.

Rai stopped a satellite from crashing on earth and fought many vampires (and not random ones, he actually fought vampire leaders that were the strongest of their generation), he fought the lord of werewolves, even though his powers were weakened in the series, he never lost even once and destroyed the enemies before his eyes.

This is what he has to say to his opponent:

 

[Jammin]

I'm not sure if Rai could control whatever Father's blood is, so that whole side of things is a big question mark.

What isn't a question mark are the other things peak Rai can do. Which is create an ocean of blood and then control it to attack from every direction at the same time. In addition to the aura stuff and ultra powerful telekinesis. And sealing abilities on top of that. Also he's got mind control type stuff he can do. So lots of options that Father can't really do much about even in god mode.

Father might be able to manipulate matter but while he would be trying to turn the ocean of blood coming at him into wine or something. Peak Rai would telekinetically juice him like a lemon and brainwash him into thinking he was a goldfish.

 

[M3J]

Yeah its basically assuming he has God's powers, which weren't showcased enough before he reverted to the imperfect state without enough souls to contain it.

Rai wins if we are not taking that version of Father that lasted seconds.

The version of Father that kept being dealt attacks after attacks while dealing with someone who was similar in power to him before GOd. As I said, without Hohenheim and him being a Philosopher's Stone, Father would have won the war.

Oh not to mention, the preplanning and setup that SCar and others did, especially Hohenheim.

Rai stopped a satellite from crashing on earth and fought many vampires (and not random ones, he actually fought vampire leaders that were the strongest of their generation), he fought the lord of werewolves, even though his powers were weakened in the series, he never lost even once and destroyed the enemies before his eyes.

This is what he has to say to his opponent:

Yawn. Did he absorb the power of God into himself? Did it take a nearly-immortal man and at least three other alchemists continuously attacking him to beat him, and even then it was close?

 

[Jammin]

Rai doesn't need to absorb power. He's got it all. He was never defeated. Not once. Even when the nukes, orbital weapons, and genetically enhance super abominations with laser beam eyes and hearts as black as coal started to appear. This was all when he was old and dying.

Besides not sure what counters Father even has for mind control and telekinesis powerful enough to compress him into an inkblot. No "matter manipulation" involved there. Just a whole lot of kneeling and a bit of dying.

 

[Nie Li]

Yawn. Did he absorb the power of God into himself? Did it take a nearly-immortal man and at least three other alchemists continuously attacking him to beat him, and even then it was close?

Taking the attacks from those alchemist isn't impressive. Some of the clan leaders from Noblesse can take on all of the FMA series alone, and Rai can fodderize any of them.

Father as he was during the fight in the manga doesn't stand a chance against Rai. If we consider a stable version of that to be the one fighting Rai, the outcome might change, but we never got to see exactly what he can or can't do if stable, and what he did show while unestable is nothing compared to Rai's abilities and feats.

 

[Blakestnight666]

Cadis easily. Father simply doesn't have the feats to match cadis. Father's best feat is to create a pseudo sun and destroying a large area with multiple buildings. And he isn't even that fast

Cadis should be easily hypersonic and is country to continent level

 

[Demonspeed]

Voting for Rai here.

Father hasn't really been impressive if you disregard that mini sun.