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g5 luffy runs into the following gaunlet roughly based on strength although maybe the warlords are being down played i wasn't sure where exactly to put them.

the royal warlords (start of story warlords, excluding mihawk)
the 3 sweet commanders
the 3 calamities
the royal warlord (start of story)
kata, king, marco, zoro,
kaido
white beard (prime)
roger
bm+kaido


he eats meat between rounds(assume he's fully healed and yes the 4 yc1 are fighting g5 4 vs 1, mihawk is excluded from the first round because it's each round is in descening orde of hardness although i am not certain if 4 yc1 or the entire warlords is stronger.
 
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g5 luffy runs into the following gaunlet roughly based on strength although maybe the warlords are being down played i wasn't sure where exactly to put them.

the royal warlords (start of story warlords, excluding mihawk)
the 3 sweet commanders
the 3 calamities
the royal warlord (start of story)
kata, king, marco, zoro,
kaido
white beard (prime)
roger
bm+kaido
Can you clarify this? Who is he fighting? Is its none stop? Does he heal after each battle. Is it only G5? Are the 4 YC1's fighting together? Why is Mihawk excluded?

It's not the clearest set of instructions for us.
 

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g5 luffy runs into the following gaunlet roughly based on strength although maybe the warlords are being down played i wasn't sure where exactly to put them.
Hard stops at round 4. Assuming Mihawk is included there.
Mihawk himself is Yonko tier. Then we have various commander and executive tiers in other Shichibukai. Even if Luffy can defeat Mihawk with great difficulty, adding the others mean that he loses.

Anyway, assuming he heals every round, current Luffy wins against the first 3 rounds
Loses to every other round.


the royal warlords (start of story warlords, excluding mihawk) : Luffy wins, mid-high diff
the 3 sweet commanders : Luffy wins, mid-high diff
the 3 calamities: Luffy wins, high diff
the royal warlord (start of story): Luffy loses, high diff
kata, king, marco, zoro: Luffy loses, mid-high diff
kaido: Luffy loses, extreme diff
white beard (prime): Luffy loses, mid-high diff
roger: Luffy loses, mid-high diff
bm+kaido: Luffy loses, mid diff
 

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@grey matter yer i wasn't sure where to put the entire warlords although i think kaido and the yc1 lose, and i can see the entieity of the warlords lose since there mostly fodder to luffy.
 

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the royal warlords (start of story warlords, excluding mihawk): Luffy wins without difficulty and jokingly.
the 3 sweet commanders: Luffy wins without difficulty and jokingly.
the 3 calamities: In a few instants he defeats Jack and Queen and then starts a pinball game with King
the royal warlord (start of story)
kata, king, marco, zoro: Zoro will be the first to manage to hurt him, but the first to fall, after easily defeating Katakuri, Luffy will be able to have fun with two balls in his pinball game.

Individually defeats Kaido and WB, he ignores the Gura Gura no Mi and is still able to return shockwaves against WB himself. Go into a coma after defeating them by pushing your heart rate to the limit.

Loses to Roger and Yonko's duo
 

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the royal warlords (start of story warlords, excluding mihawk): Luffy wins without difficulty and jokingly.
the 3 sweet commanders: Luffy wins without difficulty and jokingly.
the 3 calamities: In a few instants he defeats Jack and Queen and then starts a pinball game with King
the royal warlord (start of story)
kata, king, marco, zoro: Zoro will be the first to manage to hurt him, but the first to fall, after easily defeating Katakuri, Luffy will be able to have fun with two balls in his pinball game.

Individually defeats Kaido and WB, he ignores the Gura Gura no Mi and is still able to return shockwaves against WB himself. Go into a coma after defeating them by pushing your heart rate to the limit.

Loses to Roger and Yonko's duo
You think Luffy beats prime WB?
 

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You think Luffy beats prime WB?
Prime WB is without a doubt the guy who has the most destructive power, he has all Haki at an advanced level, 9 in resistance and 10 in physical strength. But still, his greatest power, the Gura Gura, is ignored. The limit of the G5 is the (now definitive) death of Luffy, I think it lasts a considerable time yes.
 

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Prime WB is without a doubt the guy who has the most destructive power, he has all Haki at an advanced level, 9 in resistance and 10 in physical strength. But still, his greatest power, the Gura Gura, is ignored. The limit of the G5 is the (now definitive) death of Luffy, I think it lasts a considerable time yes.
Prime WB has haki on par with Roger.
He's all around Roger's equal in pretty much all stats physically. Be it combat speed, or haki, or defense. Name it.

At that level, DF becomes more of a niche utility and slight buff. Which was why it never came into play between Roger and WB.

WB mid-high diffs Luffy.
Luffy has reached Yonko level, but there is a lot to climb before he gets to Roger/WB level. That's where he will be at during endgame, and we're a few arcs away from endgame
 

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Prime WB has haki on par with Roger.
He's all around Roger's equal in pretty much all stats physically. Be it combat speed, or haki, or defense. Name it.

At that level, DF becomes more of a niche utility and slight buff. Which was why it never came into play between Roger and WB.

WB mid-high diffs Luffy.
Luffy has reached Yonko level, but there is a lot to climb before he gets to Roger/WB level. That's where he will be at during endgame, and we're a few arcs away from endgame
If Gura Gura is just a tool for WB, and Roger doesn't have an even more advanced form of Haoshoku, then they're just hype anyway.

They shouldn't be more powerful than the current Yonko. The Yonko since Roger's time don't challenge each other, the great Pirates' time was not their time.

"The Strongest Man in the World" can just be physical strength and end, after all Ace's novel points out that WB has the greatest physical strength among the Yonko.

Physical strength is just a general power level parameter.

That's all if it's like I said in the first paragraph
 

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If Gura Gura is just a tool for WB, and Roger doesn't have an even more advanced form of Haoshoku, then they're just hype anyway.
Dude, Kaido basically just said this chapter (spoiler) that haki >> everything else, and that Roger became the top dog with just haki.

Zoro has advanced conq as well, does that mean his advanced conq = Luffy's? Of course not.
There are different levels to haki, that's really all that's really needed to justify the gap between Roger and Kaido.

They shouldn't be more powerful than the current Yonko. The Yonko since Roger's time don't challenge each other, the great Pirates' time was not their time.
So, is there a "PK level" according to you or not?

Anyway, this is just false based on portrayal and feats that we know of.

- Roger was said to be the king of his era. And WB was considered the defacto king of the seas by pretty much everyone, after Roger died.
There is a reason these two are put on a pedestal even by BM and Kaido.

- Old WB in meds had haki on par with Shanks, arguably the strongest haki user alive currently. This old WB, was considered to be the strongest pirate by pretty much everyone pretimeskip.
Prime WB >> old WB.

- Oden, WB's no2 and arguably peak Rayleigh tier by portrayal, is hyped to be able to give Kaido an extreme diff.
Oden was blown away by how strong Roger and WB were. And this was after he grew in strength, travelling with WB pirates for 5 years (so, no excuse of Oden grew stronger - because that had already happened, and after less than an year since then, Oden was back to Wano and faced stagnation).
If we go by portrayal, the gap between Roger and Rayleigh, or WB and Oden, would be the gap between Luffy and Zoro. So, whatever relative gap you think there is between Luffy and Zoro, should be the gap between Roger/WB and current Yonkos (considering Oden and peak Rayleigh are up there)


WB and Roger didn't challenge Yonkos merely due to the fact that Roger and WB weren't interested.
Roger and WB didn't feel the need to attack BM, Kaido etc, because they were pretty much irrelevant to their goals. Roger wanted to just explore and have fun, WB wanted to have a big "family". That's it.


"The Strongest Man in the World" can just be physical strength and end, after all Ace's novel points out that WB has the greatest physical strength among the Yonko.

Physical strength is just a general power level parameter.
The strongest in this context obviously means overall PL.
Or, are you gonna say Kaido is just the physically strongest creature? Of course not. This is just grasping at straws here man.


And lastly, we saw that old WB (Marineford, off meds) was strong enough to extreme diff Akainu.
When we see how strong Akainu is once we start flexing in the upcoming arcs, the whole idea of Kaido = peak WB/Roger is gonna swiftly disappear.
 

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@grey matter

I said all this IF Gura isn't important to WB, and if Roger doesn't have an even more advanced form in Haoshoku or is very skilled as a swordsman. Haki may still be the king of One Piece, but going so far as to say that Whitebeard wasn't the strongest in the world because of Gura (DF with the highest AP) is like putting Roger, Garp and WB at the level of gods.

People use biased arguments to try to defend this. Like, the fact that Roger chose to avoid a direct confrontation with Linlin in order to get a copy of Road Poneglyfi, the fact that it is stated in the magazine that Garp is BM's rival, the fact that WB tried to free the New World from slavery but curiously (because it would take casualties) it didn't take down Kaido.

Is there a PK level? Okay, but it's not like a PK will defeat a Yonko as easily as a Yonko defeats a Commander, it's not like WB without Gura will defeat a Hybrid Kaido. Shanks and WB having Haoshoku equivalent is not officially confirmed, and even if it is it doesn't mean they are of the same level in general (Gura aside).

Think about Roger, now give him the Phoenix DF, he would be invisible and he would still be alive today. Haki isn't a rule for getting to the top, but it doesn't mean that a DF doesn't increase the power level of someone who is extremely skilled in Haki.

Although someone without DF who has better skills than extremely powerful DF like Zoro, but WB has nothing special besides stats, Gura is his differentiator.
 
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