Battle Kurapica vs Feitan

[zzigg]

i really want to watch that one

kurapiaca's grudge vs faiten insanity


all their cards revealed

scarlet eye

chain jail

judgement chain

holy chain

vs

super speed

rising sun

physical strength the 5th with uvo in the list

so what do you think would happen​

 

[XXGenesis]

Re: kurapica vs feiten

I'm going with Feitan he's much faster giving him the advantage of striking without injury and doding Kurapica's chain...Pretty sure he'll use Gyo while fighting him knowing about Kurapicka's ability......Kurapicka is literally the Spider's Achilles heel, his devotion to destroying them pushes his Nen further than it should even be, He hates them and Hate can be a strong weapon especially considering Nen's emotional factor. And Chain Jail on any Spider spells Game Over unless they are fighting in pairs. But I vote Feitan in this match, I believe he'll be able to kill Kurapicka before he's stuck in his Chain Jail.

 

[Phantron]

Re: kurapica vs feiten

Did people just forget that originally Neon's prediction says Kurapika was supposed to kill half of the Spiders and it's not even clear if he dies in the process (i.e. good chance he'd have survived)?

There's literally no way any single character from the Spiders could defeat Kurapika 1on1 without knowing how his ability worked which is the standard I'd use for a hypothetical battle.

 

[XXGenesis]

Re: kurapica vs feiten

Did people just forget that originally Neon's prediction says Kurapika was supposed to kill half of the Spiders and it's not even clear if he dies in the process (i.e. good chance he'd have survived)?

There's literally no way any single character from the Spiders could defeat Kurapika 1on1 without knowing how his ability worked which is the standard I'd use for a hypothetical battle.

Man Kurapicka is stupidly Haxx his Emperor of Time ability makes him able to use all Nen to 100% efficiency plus his chain jail puts Spiders in a Zetsu state which is Game Over...He's their Achilles Heel Big time. Yes they would lose 1 on 1 unless they avoid is chain and burst out their own haxx or strong ass Hatsu ability that he wouldn't be able to heal from.....It's hard to put up an argument for the Spiders when he's able to counter them by so much and not all of them are strictly fighters but serve a purpose within the group......Phinx,Feitan and Kuratopi(the weakest and less fit to fight of them all) couldn't have their fortune's told because of lack of data....I Still think Feitan can kill his annoying Haxx ass..Idc Idc Idc Lol. It's even silly when you think about him not being physically or faster than them in combat his growth is retarded and to be able to kill A class criminals so easy because of his Scarlet Eyes is super PLot induced....Like why hasn't anybody in the world haven't thought up ways to kill them

 

[Phantron]

Re: kurapica vs feiten

Ubogin said people in Kurapika's tribe are very strong. In HXH, there's no reason to believe any non-aura related combat prowess is hard to achieve. That is, we see people spending years to hone in their aura-related skills but almost never the same effort on non-aura related skills, so there's no reason to believe why it's hard to match the Spiders or anyone else in terms of pure physical skill.

Now normally a lack of expertise in aura would be the difference except Emperor Time trumps pretty much any amount of effort and talent. Take Kurapika's healing ability. In HXH, even character said to have extremely fast physical recovery (e.g. Gon) takes days if not months to heal from a broken whatever injury. Yet Kurapika was able to recover from a broken arm in matter of seconds. This ability is too generically useful (there's literally no reason why you wouldn't learn an ability like it if you're remotely interested in fighting) the only conclusion is that his healing ability is only possible due to Emperor Time. After all, healing is supposed to be the speciality of Reinforcement user, and yet even Ubogin was surprised by Kurapika's recovery speed. When you've moves that other people can't even possibly learn, it's hard to imagine being defeated 1on1.

 

[mousiehamster]

Re: kurapica vs feiten

One possible weakness is that Emperor Time has a draining effect on Kurapica, although to what extent, we cannot say. How long was the Ubo fight? 3 mins? I'm going to assume there's a time limit of something like 5 minutes before he collapses.

 

[XXGenesis]

Re: kurapica vs feiten

Ubogin said people in Kurapika's tribe are very strong. In HXH, there's no reason to believe any non-aura related combat prowess is hard to achieve. That is, we see people spending years to hone in their aura-related skills but almost never the same effort on non-aura related skills, so there's no reason to believe why it's hard to match the Spiders or anyone else in terms of pure physical skill.

They were but the Spider's didn't lose any members only 13 of them vs a Tribe with a handful of Nen user's at the most. Yes mastering Nen and it's usage takes years, Gon n Killua still aren't masters and where having a difficult time just to be able to really fight other real nen users when training with Biscuit. I'm not referring to other's like Hanzo who was s superior fighter without Nen. Kurapicka wasn't anywhere near somebody like Hanzo's fighting skills even Killua was better than him. But once you learn Nen you overall become stronger individual even without using it. Kurapicka even knows he's not as fast as the Spider's why he needed Gon as a distraction and other distractions to capture the Spider's..Uvo being paralyzed. Before the Ant arc and GI he couldn't simply face the members head on without a plan...remember Hisoka gave up info on Uvo so Kurapicka knew how to approach that fight.

Now normally a lack of expertise in aura would be the difference except Emperor Time trumps pretty much any amount of effort and talent. Take Kurapika's healing ability. In HXH, even character said to have extremely fast physical recovery (e.g. Gon) takes days if not months to heal from a broken whatever injury. Yet Kurapika was able to recover from a broken arm in matter of seconds. This ability is too generically useful (there's literally no reason why you wouldn't learn an ability like it if you're remotely interested in fighting) the only conclusion is that his healing ability is only possible due to Emperor Time. After all, healing is supposed to be the speciality of Reinforcement user, and yet even Ubogin was surprised by Kurapika's recovery speed. When you've moves that other people can't even possibly learn, it's hard to imagine being defeated 1on1.

Well not necessarily..Kurapicka is a main character and very smart one. So he created a Hatsu with his Conjure ability with very strict limitations on them and each finger possess a different ability. Finger to Heal, Finger to bind only Spiders, Oath Sword kills if you don't obey his rules, and his dowsing used for defense and attack.

Enhancer's naturally heal fast and we've only see Killua and Gon try and heal a animal if that was even in the manga, but they didn't know what they were doing. With Emperor time his healing ability is just as good as another Enhancer's power to heal themselves, if they had a hatsu like this...To heal a whole fractured arm in seconds is haxxish it should take more time than a few seconds..however.

Kurapicka's main strategy is to catch the Spider's in his chain or pierce them with his Chain. Only then does he have them by the balls. That being said Kurapicka even with Emperor of time can't simply over power the Spider's without his oath stricken abilities and with Gyo and speed you can counter that. He's left with a strong chain, which chains bind n Spider's know the trick behind that already so that's immediately gonna be avoided Uvo was able to pretty sure he's low on the speed list. And he becomes a Enhancer which makes him a lot stronger. He's not unbeatable considering his Hatsu abilities and how he has to employ them.

Feitan for the win!

 

[mousiehamster]

Re: kurapica vs feiten

The guy is fast but so is Kurapica. Pretty evident to me now that Kurapica's physical stats - at least in Emperor Time mode - were way better than most people even back in the Hunter Exam. It's the only plausible explanation, imo, and we did see him do a mini-teleport when up against Mizutani who he utterly destroyed.

But if Ubo could dodge the chains...then pretty sure that Feitan wouldn't have too much trouble doing the same. The only problem is Kurapica's insane nen (enough to block Big bang impact with only superficial injury). Doubtful Feitan can cause enough damage to incapacitate Kurapica before he heals.

 

[XXGenesis]

Re: kurapica vs feiten

The guy is fast but so is Kurapica. Pretty evident to me now that Kurapica's physical stats - at least in Emperor Time mode - were way better than most people even back in the Hunter Exam. It's the only plausible explanation, imo, and we did see him do a mini-teleport when up against Mizutani who he utterly destroyed.

But if Ubo could dodge the chains...then pretty sure that Feitan wouldn't have too much trouble doing the same. The only problem is Kurapica's insane nen (enough to block Big bang impact with only superficial injury). Doubtful Feitan can cause enough damage to incapacitate Kurapica before he heals.

Kurapicka was prety decent during the Hunter Exams when his eyes changes he gets 2x better no doubting that. His emperor time makes him super formidable and able to deal heavy blows with maxium efficiency.

Uvo no where near the fastest he's too large and Feitan showing was him warming up and still not being at his best, however he was still faster than Kurapicka making dozens of after images literally.

Kurapicka when facing the Spider's Nen is formidable yes but he still shouldn't have more aura than them. Also Note Gon vs Uvo...Uvo is the clear winner he's on a different level as a reinforcer than Gon...Kurapicka shouldn't be on Uvo's level as an enhancer to date he's the best enhancer we''ve seen in the series. Kurapicka able to use Enhancer abilities still should have broken more than just an arm from his big bang attack that blew a crater into the ground...

So kurapicka is slower, and Feitan can dodge his chains...He's only stronger but wouldn't be able to hit Feitan that easy or catch him in his chains.

 

[Uriel]

Kurapika has a Nen specifically made to kill spiders. That means Feitan has no chance one on one, even his pain packer would depend on how many damage he has taken, and if Kurapika is smart enough He will aim for the kill instead of allowing him using that technique.

 

[XXGenesis]

Kurapika has a Nen specifically made to kill spiders. That means Feitan has no chance one on one, even his pain packer would depend on how many damage he has taken, and if Kurapika is smart enough He will aim for the kill instead of allowing him using that technique.

But he doesn't have info on him or his Hatsu now does he.

So if he manages to beat him up somehow catching up with his speed he'll be bested by Pain Packer. Kurapicka strength is totally plot induced. His aura amount and how much he can use in an attack shouldn't rival the Spiders even with his highly emotional state towards them, he still physically and skill wise wasn't on their level and we know of only 1 hatsu made to defeat them. You guys are going purely on how he beat Uvo which was Bull but needed to shown that he'll accomplish this mission in time and that his Chain judgement is unbeatable by them.....Logically outside of Togashi's writing the story and using the knowledge we know about the characters keeping it as close as possible he can't beat all the spiders........their future that was read he killed the weaker half of the Spider's crippling their intelligence. Only half where suppose to die and not many of them were fighters....We're all entitled to our opinions though.

 

[Phantron]

Neon predicted 6 of them would die. Shalunark, Pakunoda, Shizuku, and Ubogin are 4 out of 6, which means 2 out of remaining 3 comes from Phinx, Feitan, and the boxing guy, which are all combat specialists (the rest didn't have death sentence minus Hisoka, who obviously faked it).

I don't really get how people even think the Spiders can possibly match up against him without knowing his weakness. Kurapika's ability is downright broken. And no I doubt Hisoka would've contributed much since he already said his goal to ally with Kurapika is to exchange info, as opposed to battle to the death together. Certainly we didn't see any prediction about Spiders getting killed by Hisoka, so presumably the 6 kills are all done by Kurapika.

Feitan's ability actually really sucks because you really shouldn't pause and wonder why the other guy suddenly changed his armor and whatnot. It's a standard 'use double aura for no reason' ability, i.e. you use X for heat and X to protect yourself (that's why he needs the armor), which means his normal defense goes to next to nothing similar how Gensuru's case. Now if you want to say Feitan's ability is hacks in that it not only does insane damage but also protects himself physically, in that case I can say Kurapika tosses a Chain Jail while he's preparing his move and Chain Jail pretty much beats anything outright. Honestly Kurapika can just punch him to death while he's using Pain Packer, and Zazan could've done so too if she didn't just decidee to do absolutely nothing while every single Spider was flaling their hands going "RUN FOR YOUR LIVES BIG MOVE COMING!"

 

[Uriel]

And adding to what Phantron said, I think Phinx is a bigger threat. Feitan must receive damage for the Pain Packer to work and that could be lethal for him. Phinx, instead has a more natural gesture. Sure, it wont reach too many repetitions, but He can land a OHKO if He rolls his arm enough. And in that sense, Kurapika is fast but Uvogin was right: First strike wins.

 

[Mylesime]

the only spider i could see beat kurapika would be kururo, thanks to his incredible amount of techniques, his panel is huge, combined with his brillant mind, he has the tools potentially to deal with kurapika's hatsu. And even for him it would be very risky to take him on one on one.
But imo, all the other spiders have no chance to beat him, if it's a one on one.
Whiie gon and kirua were training, considerably raising their basics stats (ken, ryu, aop, pop, etc) , kurapika has certainly also improved those areas, reducing the initial gap in basics aura abilities wtih the spiders, yet even without this supposed improvement, kurapika was able to handle ubo in close combat (asking him to be serious and stop wasting his time)
Moreover, kurapika first goal when fighting a spider is to capture them with his chain jail (he did it with ubo, then kururo). He even explained his pattern to ubo, "once captured, finish them with bare hands". So, there's few chances that feitan would even receive considerable damages before being caught (and that's the fuel, the condition of his "raising sun").
Then, kurapika has developed an healing ability, wich allows him to recover from pretty much any non lethal blow he could suffer in fight against a spider.(this one isn't maybe even limited to the spiders)
Add to that, that feitan contrary to ubo hasn't even maybe enough strength to escape from others chains, or would have difficulties to do so.
(Yet to finish kurapika he has to apporach, him, raising the odds to be caught, especially since "in" can be used wtih them, making them invisible)

It's true that we don't know all the apects of feitan's hatsu, but i hardly see him beat kurapika in a "fair" fight, kurapika is an elite hunter, who can be labeled as a gifted one, maybe a genius, whom only purpose, and half his hatsu, are pretty much dedicated to erase the genei ryodan. Too much to handle for feitan imo.

 

[Phantron]

If you go by the original prediction, since Abengane cannot remove aura from the dead and Kuroro was supposed to have his ability sealed and then look for an aura remover, this means Kurapika originally killed 6 guys, sealed Kuroro's ability, and still managed to come out alive (though he could be seriously wounded).

Phinx wouldn't have much time to charge up anything since Kurapika can attack at range with his chains too.

Kurapika really isn't that interested capturing at least based on the original prediciton, as 6 guys ended up being dead. Although Chain Jail actually isn't as ideal as some variants of his ability mentioned by Shalunark, it's still sufficient for a one hit kill for all practical purposes because Kurapika can use multiple chains. He can just use the regular chains that block bullets and that'd kill a Spider fine when they're trapped by Chain Jail, or just use Judgment Chain.

Although Kurapika will definitely take significant damage, it really doesn't matter because he can heal himself.

 

[XXGenesis]

I don't really get how people even think the Spiders can possibly match up against him without knowing his weakness. Kurapika's ability is downright broken. And no I doubt Hisoka would've contributed much since he already said his goal to ally with Kurapika is to exchange info, as opposed to battle to the death together. Certainly we didn't see any prediction about Spiders getting killed by Hisoka, so presumably the 6 kills are all done by Kurapika.

They do know his weakness.........His abilities are only good agasint them and he can't attack anybody else with it. Reason why Pakunda sacrificed here self to give them all that info

Feitan's ability actually really sucks because you really shouldn't pause and wonder why the other guy suddenly changed his armor and whatnot. It's a standard 'use double aura for no reason' ability, i.e. you use X for heat and X to protect yourself (that's why he needs the armor), which means his normal defense goes to next to nothing similar how Gensuru's case. Now if you want to say Feitan's ability is hacks in that it not only does insane damage but also protects himself physically, in that case I can say Kurapika tosses a Chain Jail while he's preparing his move and Chain Jail pretty much beats anything outright. Honestly Kurapika can just punch him to death while he's using Pain Packer, and Zazan could've done so too if she didn't just decidee to do absolutely nothing while every single Spider was flaling their hands going "RUN FOR YOUR LIVES BIG MOVE COMING!"

It doesn't suck and his armor is a conjure ability, good conjurers summon and dispel their ability at will really fast. Zazan fake Queen ant mentioned where he armor came from out of thin air and she didn't notice it appear...His armor is Pain Packer and his scorch technique is RIsing sun, Phinx mentioned there are different forms to Pain packer. Feitan didn't release his Rising Sun instantly because the Spiders were around, plus You can't rush or attack while your being burnt to a cinder. Did i mention he has more Techniques for his Pain Packer.

Chrollo also notes Uvo is dim witted when fighting alone reason why he didn't take pre-cautions and use Gyo. When fighting a conjurer you have to be wary of their item they conjure and use Gyo. Plus the Spiders know his tricks and his weakness..And Feitan is faster much faster

And adding to what Phantron said, I think Phinx is a bigger threat. Feitan must receive damage for the Pain Packer to work and that could be lethal for him. Phinx, instead has a more natural gesture. Sure, it wont reach too many repetitions, but He can land a OHKO if He rolls his arm enough. And in that sense, Kurapika is fast but Uvogin was right: First strike wins.

Well Uvo was going on pure brute strength there was suppose to be no way kurapicka could survive his blows without receiving high damage. He was wrong because Kurapicka is also an Enhancer.

Phinx wouldn't have much time to charge up anything since Kurapika can attack at range with his chains too.

Kurapika really isn't that interested capturing at least based on the original prediciton, as 6 guys ended up being dead. Although Chain Jail actually isn't as ideal as some variants of his ability mentioned by Shalunark, it's still sufficient for a one hit kill for all practical purposes because Kurapika can use multiple chains. He can just use the regular chains that block bullets and that'd kill a Spider fine when they're trapped by Chain Jail, or just use Judgment Chain.

Although Kurapika will definitely take significant damage, it really doesn't matter because he can heal himself.

You can still spin his arms while moving, I agree with Uriel that he wouldn't get much spins in.

Why would Kurapicka make an Hatsu to capture them then???? The prophecies weren't explicit besides little details like avoid dark rooms for Shizuku which was the hotel incident. The Prophecies were if they stayed and tried to find and kill Kurapicka. With inside intel from Hisoka he would have been getting the jump on them capturing them 1 by one either killing them from their with his hands or using Judgement chain and them killing themselves disobeying his rules.

Like you said you can always attack him before he heals or when you notice he's healing.

Kurapicka's character is designed to bring the Spider's to justice we wouldn't see him lose probably on page/. Outside in a forum or fan debate Kurapicka is dead cause he shouldn't be as skilled with nen as he is and there was still a difference a noticeable difference in skill between him and the Spider's especially thier battle force.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

It was never predicted that Kurapika would kill half of them. Just that the spider would lose half it's legs. Which happened already.

The spider lost Uvogin, Pakunoda, Hisoka and Chrollo. A normal Spider only has 4 legs. It's a very clever riddle.

 

[Demonspeed]

It was never predicted that Kurapika would kill half of them. Just that the spider would lose half it's legs. Which happened already.

The spider lost Uvogin, Pakunoda, Hisoka and Chrollo. A normal Spider only has 4 legs. It's a very clever riddle.

I disagree. He would have killed them,it was clearly explained that "lose its leg" meant death in the prediction,also Chrollo is still a spider even if he is not with them. It doesn't mean he would have killed them in straight fight, Kurapika is one of the smartest character in the manga and he was working with his friends( Chrollo would be dead if Gon and Killua weren't hostages). And it's not a normal spider, it's a spider with 12 legs, so 5 more would have been killed( Hisoka is not a spider so he doesn't count). Shizuku and Sharnalk would have been killed, Uvo was already dead and Paku was condemned too if I remember. Knowing Kurapika and with Hisoka's help, I bet he would have killed Kortopi and Nobunaga.

 

[kkck]

For me it is hard to say just yet. One thing we do know is that kurapica is almost certainly more physically capable than any of the spiders so far. He picked uvo specifically to make sure of that. Speed is perhaps a different matter however at large kurapica with his specialization nen should be well capable of fighting evenly in terms of physical capacity. The issue then is not physical capacity but rather how he would match up in terms of hatsu. For that reason I would go for feitan at the moment. Kurapica's only real chance at winning this would be to catch him with the chain and force him to zetsu but other than that I don't think kurapica's hatsu would protect him even from the one armor feitan has shown.

 

[Phantron]

I disagree. He would have killed them,it was clearly explained that "lose its leg" meant death in the prediction,also Chrollo is still a spider even if he is not with them. It doesn't mean he would have killed them in straight fight, Kurapika is one of the smartest character in the manga and he was working with his friends( Chrollo would be dead if Gon and Killua weren't hostages). And it's not a normal spider, it's a spider with 12 legs, so 5 more would have been killed( Hisoka is not a spider so he doesn't count). Shizuku and Sharnalk would have been killed, Uvo was already dead and Paku was condemned too if I remember. Knowing Kurapika and with Hisoka's help, I bet he would have killed Kortopi and Nobunaga.

There was no death sentence on Nobunaga nor Koratopi. Since Hisoka faked his death sentence, that means the remaining 2 deaths would be from Feitan, Phinx, and the boxing guy (they have insufficient data to make prediction).

Since none of the death sentence mentions Hisoka directly, we can be pretty sure that Hisoka would never be directly involved. After all Hisoka said he's not teaming up with Kurapika to fight to the death. If Hisoka was supposed to actually participate, the death sentence would definitely mention him as well. In the 4 death sentences we know of, there's no direct mention of Hisoka anywhere, and it was quite clear the cause of death in these death sentence comes from Kurapika. So I doubt you'll see a scenario like say Kurapika is fighting Feitan, Phinx, and Hisoka, and then Hisoka suddenly backstabbed them and killed Feitan. That's not like Hisoka to do that, and since Neon's power can correctly identify who killed you, that'd mean the whole thing is just freak luck that whoever Hisoka participated in killing just happened to have inadequate information to make a fortune telling.

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For me it is hard to say just yet. One thing we do know is that kurapica is almost certainly more physically capable than any of the spiders so far. He picked uvo specifically to make sure of that. Speed is perhaps a different matter however at large kurapica with his specialization nen should be well capable of fighting evenly in terms of physical capacity. The issue then is not physical capacity but rather how he would match up in terms of hatsu. For that reason I would go for feitan at the moment. Kurapica's only real chance at winning this would be to catch him with the chain and force him to zetsu but other than that I don't think kurapica's hatsu would protect him even from the one armor feitan has shown.

I don't get why a guy who was supposed to have kill half of the Spiders on his own (none of the 4 known death sentences mentions Hisoka) gets so little respect. If Feitan tried to pull his Pain Packer then Kurapika will just use Chain Jail and that totally kills Pain Packer (no aura = no hatsu). Keep in mind that Kurapika somehow fought Hisoka to a draw in the final Hunter exam based on other people's observation. Presumably that's a 'no aura' fight but that shows how incredibly high his base physical prowess is. Sure you can throw in aura except Kurapika's hatsus are absolutely hax compared to anything the Spiders have, so things can only get worse there.