Quarterfinal Laxus vs. Gray

[grey matter]

You mean that time his full powered attack got no sold by a tired Erza? Oh yeah.

Not sure what you've seen.

And Erza didn't "no sell" it. Her one arms was burned and the other cracked.

Partial END and darkness Gray were exchanging countless angry blows like that over the fight, both on screen and off screen. We even saw two on screen, they were powerful enough to send shockwaves whenever their fists collided.
I just means Erza could block one of those attacks from them, which they were exchanging many times without getting injured like she did btw

Tired Erza? Same Erza, but with burned and cracked hands this time, went onto give Eileen a run for her money lol. Being tired or not doesn't make much difference to good guys.
Natsu fought Zeref after a massive gauntlet. He then fought Acno with his arms charred. It would've made no significant difference whether he started those fights without a scratch, or after a gauntlet. Cause that's how Mashima writes.

 

[GL_Nova]

Come on Erza didn't no sell anything

You mean the frost on her hand for 3 chapters

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that was a feat for erza not laxus, just cause erza can do it does not mean that laxus can

thats like saying that Gildarts can fight on par with E.N.D cause gray did lol

Wait, so do you honestly think Gildarts wouldn’t do a better job against END than Grey did!?! You can’t be serious.

Erza is weaker than Laxus. Even with another year of training, he still beat her immediately after putting down a character she struggled with. There’s absolutely no reason to assume he can’t replicate any of those feats.

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Not sure what you've seen.

And Erza didn't "no sell" it. Her one arms was burned and the other cracked.

Partial END and darkness Gray were exchanging countless angry blows like that over the fight, both on screen and off screen. We even saw two on screen, they were powerful enough to send shockwaves whenever their fists collided.
I just means Erza could block one of those attacks from them, which they were exchanging many times without getting injured like she did btw

Tired Erza? Same Erza, but with burned and cracked hands this time, went onto give Eileen a run for her money lol. Being tired or not doesn't make much difference to good guys.
Natsu fought Zeref after a massive gauntlet. He then fought Acno with his arms charred. It would've made no significant difference whether he started those fights without a scratch, or after a gauntlet. Cause that's how Mashima writes.

Those were the strongest attacks of the fight. The strongest blows of the whole exchange and all they did was give her minor Burns and ice damage. Your right, she did immediately go on to another big dog fight afterwards. She ate those attacks. They didn’t put her down, incapacitate her, or even slow her down.


It is how he writes, but it sets a precedent. She can stop and treat them like children and turn right around and jump into a boss lvl fight.

 

[Hexbend]

You mean the frost on her hand for 3 chapters

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If only she had a healer around her......oh wait

 

[GL_Nova]

If only she had a healer around her......oh wait

If only it was implied she couldn’t keep fighting, as opposed to being a minor inconvenience

 

[Hexbend]

If only it was implied she couldn’t keep fighting, as opposed to being a minor inconvenience

Her powering through the pain of having her hand seared and frozen.....is not no selling

She should taken no damage at all if she no sold it

 

[Axiomus]

It may not have been a no sell, but the damage from those punches were hardly an inconvenience. By the end of the Irene fight, the hand that got burned by END was the least damaged part of Erza's body. Keep in mind that her cherry blossom armor offers no defensive boosts, and Erza chose to block with her hands. She could have just as easily used her swords to block.

Obviously blocking with swords dont translate to Laxus, but Laxus going to be isnt going to be taking more damage Gray's attacks than from Erza's enchanted devil slayer sword. Erza hits harder.

 

[GL_Nova]

Her powering through the pain of having her hand seared and frozen.....is not no selling

She should taken no damage at all if she no sold it

We are interchanging words. I used a tanked for that.

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Also, just rewatched the guild vs hades fight. An watching all their fights in the manga.

 

[grey matter]

Those were the strongest attacks of the fight. The strongest blows of the whole exchange and all they did was give her minor Burns and ice damage. Your right, she did immediately go on to another big dog fight afterwards. She ate those attacks. They didn’t put her down, incapacitate her, or even slow her down.

They weren't. They were just angry punches. One or two other angry punches were there before, and they caused shockwaves when they clashed. Same stuff would've happened this time. Only reason it was focused on this time was because Erza was going to stop it and Mashima wanted to shove some friendship down our throats.
They were fighting for a lot of time, started quite a bit before the berserk soldiers were a thing, and continued for a while after Makarov used law. In all likeliness, they were exchanging attacks of this calibur and more a lot, without getting injured by them. We saw them using spells on screen as well.

They weren't minor ice or burn damages. Her one hand had all the skin burned away and charred, while the other was frozen and cracking. Put that damage on anyone but MCs, and they aren't lifting a sword.
To argue Erza > partial END or darkness Gray from just stopping a punch is a massive reach. A less demonized partial END was strong enough to resist Dimaria's hax and no diff her. Gray, after darkness activated, stomped Invel even through his underworld ice in his base

She went and faced Eileen next with charred/cracked hands, so what? Natsu not only charred his hand, but the entire arm, after the "savage guild flames" fiasco against FH Zeref. And went to face Acno, with the charred arm making no difference at all. Erza jumped 100+m up into the sky and destroyed a meteor with 99% of her bones broken. Clearly damage doesn't matter to BS characters like these.

It is how he writes, but it sets a precedent. She can stop and treat them like children and turn right around and jump into a boss lvl fight.

What precedent? Not sure what you mean here.

She treated them like children cause Natsu and Gray allowed her to, like that was the entire point. It was a moment of friendship/bonds, remembering childhood, how they didn't want to make Erza cry etc, all that crap.

 

[Seven777]

Damage almost never means anything. END could have oneshot Erza with that punch and it wouldn't have made a difference to the Eileen fight. Even just getting that visual damage is more than most people get when they tank attacks. For example, END hit Gray in the face with the same punch he hit Erza with, did it incovenience Gray? Did it even burn him? No, not really. This is the standard for Fairy Tail, damage only means something when Mashima needs it to mean something. Erza's arms? They were just for show, just like %90 of injuries in this manga.

 

[Vex_Haid]

You mean the frost on her hand for 3 chapters

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Wait, so do you honestly think Gildarts wouldn’t do a better job against END than Grey did!?! You can’t be serious.

Erza is weaker than Laxus. Even with another year of training, he still beat her immediately after putting down a character she struggled with. There’s absolutely no reason to assume he can’t replicate any of those feats.

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Those were the strongest attacks of the fight. The strongest blows of the whole exchange and all they did was give her minor Burns and ice damage. Your right, she did immediately go on to another big dog fight afterwards. She ate those attacks. They didn’t put her down, incapacitate her, or even slow her down.


It is how he writes, but it sets a precedent. She can stop and treat them like children and turn right around and jump into a boss lvl fight.

imagine thinking gildarts would have held his own against END.... Bruh, that was a feat for darkness gray and not gildarts cause gildarts would get burned to crisp by end and darkness gray would effortlessly crush gildarts lol also erza is actually stronger then laxus since she managed to hit and damage irene just a tiny little bit but that already puts her miles above laxus since gildarts>laxus and gildarts could not do jack to august aka his peer

 

[Ramen]

Laxus bodies any version of Gray.

 

[GL_Nova]

They weren't. They were just angry punches. One or two other angry punches were there before, and they caused shockwaves when they clashed. Same stuff would've happened this time. Only reason it was focused on this time was because Erza was going to stop it and Mashima wanted to shove some friendship down our throats.
They were fighting for a lot of time, started quite a bit before the berserk soldiers were a thing, and continued for a while after Makarov used law. In all likeliness, they were exchanging attacks of this calibur and more a lot, without getting injured by them. We saw them using spells on screen as well.

They weren't minor ice or burn damages. Her one hand had all the skin burned away and charred, while the other was frozen and cracking. Put that damage on anyone but MCs, and they aren't lifting a sword.
To argue Erza > partial END or darkness Gray from just stopping a punch is a massive reach. A less demonized partial END was strong enough to resist Dimaria's hax and no diff her. Gray, after darkness activated, stomped Invel even through his underworld ice in his base

She went and faced Eileen next with charred/cracked hands, so what? Natsu not only charred his hand, but the entire arm, after the "savage guild flames" fiasco against FH Zeref. And went to face Acno, with the charred arm making no difference at all. Erza jumped 100+m up into the sky and destroyed a meteor with 99% of her bones broken. Clearly damage doesn't matter to BS characters like these.




What precedent? Not sure what you mean here.

She treated them like children cause Natsu and Gray allowed her to, like that was the entire point. It was a moment of friendship/bonds, remembering childhood, how they didn't want to make Erza cry etc, all that crap.

Ok, finally feeling better. Sorry for the delay. That being said.

He devoted an entire page to them powering up that attack, slowing the pace of the blow for blow fight until that moment. Yet those were regular punches ok. So those powered up journal punches did minor damage that Erza could have continued to fight through. A feat replicable by anyone in the guild stronger than her. That’s exactly my point. They have quantifiable feats, compared to Spriggan and compared to her. An Erza was able to contend with one of their strongest and come out on top. Now I get arguing the potential cap of END, but Erza still got a feat for this. Just like the she still gets the broken bone feat, though that tribute went horrible. It happened. An Grey hasn’t done a ton to top it.

I’m saying the gap between Erza and Grey still exists. Mashima just used an arc to reestablish that his previously set up power scaling is still mostly relevant. Even with a type advantage and all his growth Grey was barely able to beat a tired Mira. This is Laxus he’s facing. He just put down Erza, after already fighting a Erza tier opponent. (Kiria kept up with Erza just fine until she used the Dragon blade). Grey might be able to put up a fight, but he doesn’t have what he needs to win this. Laxus has answers for all his best stuff, and still has spells he can’t answer.

 

[grey matter]

He devoted an entire page to them powering up that attack, slowing the pace of the blow for blow fight until that moment. Yet those were regular punches ok. So those powered up journal punches did minor damage that Erza could have continued to fight through. A feat replicable by anyone in the guild stronger than her. That’s exactly my point. They have quantifiable feats, compared to Spriggan and compared to her. An Erza was able to contend with one of their strongest and come out on top. Now I get arguing the potential cap of END, but Erza still got a feat for this. Just like the she still gets the broken bone feat, though that tribute went horrible. It happened. An Grey hasn’t done a ton to top it.

He devoted an entire page to it cause it was going to get blocked by Erza, leading upto friendship crap. They were exchanging charged punches countless times before. By the way, at least another one of them was focuses as well, and the clash lead to shockwaves. They were exchanging similar punches for like ever.

Of course Erza continued to fight, just like Natsu continued to fight after getting not only his hands but the entire arm charred. You act like damage means anything to Mashima lmao.
Imagine someone jumping up 100+m with 99% of bones broken, or moving with zero senses. Yeah no shit, charred and cracked arms mean nothing to such a bullshit character

I’m saying the gap between Erza and Grey still exists. Mashima just used an arc to reestablish that his previously set up power scaling is still mostly relevant. Even with a type advantage and all his growth Grey was barely able to beat a tired Mira. This is Laxus he’s facing. He just put down Erza, after already fighting a Erza tier opponent. (Kiria kept up with Erza just fine until she used the Dragon blade). Grey might be able to put up a fight, but he doesn’t have what he needs to win this. Laxus has answers for all his best stuff, and still has spells he can’t answer.

When did I say Gray > Erza? Darkness Gray is an entirely different story, and unless we see that, Gray gets mid-high diff'd by Erza

Gray mid-high diff'd Elfman + Mira....

And again, I'm not claiming he wins against Laxus either.
Gray gets mid diff'd by Laxus

Why do you keep saying stuff I agree with lol? I was just responding to you saying Erza no sold the punches, which clearly wasn't the case

 

[LaGOAT]

Lol why y’all bring up erza anyways laxus mid diff doesn’t need RL for this fight

 

[atlantisreturns]

No idea why would one use Erza blocking Gray's and END's attack as her being vastly above them , blocking a single attack literally doesn't mean anything. If she got KOed by that shit it means END and Darkness Gray are so above Erza they can essentially oneshot her , I hope the absurdity of your expectations sinks in. Does Erza blocking them barehanded bother you for some reason ? Erza tanks much more damage with her bare body than with any of her armors , which in contrast get oneshotted by attacks from people of Laxus caliber. This is fiction we're talking about. That said , Darkness Gray and END are unquantifiable versions to be used in fights since the only people they can scale to other than being above Dimaria is each other. Them damaging Erza's hands doesn't mean anything either , Erza had her bones broken yet still had the energy to smash Irene's meteor. Damage doesn't mean much unless we're talking about the person actually going down , the scratches are present only for aesthetic purposes.