News Mangaka's to object against the Tokyo Ordinance Regulation of Anime & Manga characters

[~FrienD~]

lol this childish tokyonese adults(they're selfish adults hogging all the righteousness while they hide their dirty stuff), they censor loli but not legal age character doing worse things, if they're really serious then ban all, its fetish discrimination.(i'm not into loli, i'm in for gore and historical characters)

they ban loli but not shota?! this is gender discrimination as well, btw there ain't too much shota is that why?.

i guess this ordinance is made by female activists,parent activists, and christian ppl among japan, to hell with that christianity isn't even more than 15% in japan, females are more oppressive in japan than males, and parents well they're parents expect nothing from them but to act as parents but during their youthful days they sure had a good time with their fetish.

BYE-BYE-ECCHI BYe-Bye-gags

what the hell is wrong with sexual activities? it's the norm of every living thing, its a way of mankind's cycle.

Will this ordinance be implemented only on tokyo?

just look at what censoring and religion did to our country, we're almost the home of all gay ppl in the world, currently the catholics are opposing condoms here, no more safe sex.

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(if you are aroused it by it it cannot be innocent, even if you think it's only virtual stuff and such it still participate in changing your brain/desires somewhat, in a dangerous direction)

sry for my sucky english but i hope i managed to convey my opinion

there are times when an individual gets aroused with out doing anything at all be it male/female its a natural response its mankind's nature(its all in your conditioning/program).

 

[THM Nindo]

I draw the line with sex. As long as it's for comedic purposes, I'm cool. I'm boarder-line with panty shots, though. For younger kids, it's really disturbing. Even for some teens it bothers me.

Yeah, I agree...
For comedy, it's fine...

Just like in One Piece, when they stumble on a naked Nami (even though, she 18, but it would still be funny if she was 16).

And, I'm not a big fan of Shoujo, but from what I know of it, it's often about a girl falling in love with a boy, and learning love and everything...
Usually, those girls are under 18, so, wouldn't that kill the whole genre!?

I mean... I have nothing against a manga showing people of 15-16 having sex, if it's part of the story...
(as long as it's not too explicit for no reason)...

But, I do agree that all this loli stuff (under 14 years old) must be taken seriously...
I just think they shouldn't target the manga, but more like the doujin or the ****** stuff...
They really need to target the right people and not penalize all the mangakas for the faults of only a group...

 

[Orpheus 2]

True. They need to specify the conditions for such a law or ordinance. It must be both clear and precise as well as beneficial to the whole society.

This ordinance would pretty much remove all shoujo manga and most of the shounen. In other words, we may never see Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, or the other great manga out there since one way or another they have some form of "sexual expression". This in turn will make the industry die out faster leaving only the seinen, josei and other mangas that aren't shounen or shoujo. It would also hurt the light, visual and sound novels since they also employ some "sexual expression".

I am also against lolicon but please be specific. This ordinance can kill the chances of the survival of the anime industry since many of the consumers are of the shounen and shoujo demographics.

 

[Trejon]

this is really amusing, saying all that stuff in the regulation, im tottaly against it, im fine with lolicon banned something like kodomo no jikan, but a ban for "sexual EXPRESSION" are they fkng stupid?, sexual expresion and panty shots or any other ecchi scene happens in almost every ecchi manga i can think of, and most of them are under 18, around 14-16 years old, and for a sex scene betwen teenagers?? i mean COME ON!! ALMOST EVERY BOY/GIRL have already had sex around 15-16 years old!! and even some makes mistakes from it(use a condom dude)

EDIT: Just think about it, at 14-16 years old you are practically and adult in mind. thats the age when you start getting real life experiences and stop being naive...

 

[shaheer]

well dun know bout iu guys but i really hate pedophyllic (lollies like 8-9) yrs in a sex scene. its gross and sick

 

[Newkerzy]

Well, I don't really have anything intelligent to say, but this opposition against the new law may very well depends on support from the Big 3 considering they're by far the most influential mangakas right now. And I also have a feeling that Kishimoto has a good idea of how politics work.... If those 3 are on opposing, it would give some boost to the opposition and influence a lot of people.
Just my 2 cents

 

[Kaiten]

the bill has been put on hold. There will not be a vote this month, that will be delayed until the next legislative session. The earliest the next vote can take place is June.

 

[Coccyzus]

Having voted, I feel obligated to explain, but pretty much everyone's said it already: yes I agree certain things could use more regulation, yes some loli ****** and shota are really overboard, but yeah, this law is far too all encompassing and easily abused.

I don't think I saw this above, so here's another link to more info:
http://www.dannychoo.com/post/en/25510/Game+Anime+and+Manga+Regulations.html

and here are links to sign a petition against the ruling. Now, mind you, I'm only putting these up for reference. I don't read JP, and I got this from an external site. If I'm breaking any rules, please let me know and delete this message.
http://pics.livejournal.com/ravensilver/pic/000a28hk
http://pics.livejournal.com/ravensilver/pic/000a3gas
http://www.shomei.tv/project-1025.html

 

[kanamechidori]

Orihime, Ichigo, time skip Naruto, ts Sakura, ts Hinata are all under 18.

From the way I read it it meant anything that's too arousing...like swimsuits or ecchi fanservice.

Also the law wouldn't allow a "16000 year old alien princess who looks like a 16 year old girl" because that loopholes closed.

It's as ridiculous as Australia banning A cups, it won't just be tacky fanservice anime becoming illegal, but any anime taking place in high school would be affected.

If hot spring episodes, fanservice, under 18 anime romance, and swimsuits are all banned nothing would be left.

Japan would screw it's entertainment industry and I doubt the Japanese would buy anything from their version of america's old comic book code authority. The comic code killed american comics, the japanese code will kill anime and manga.

Go Nagai said that if he wasn't allowed to draw naked schoolgirls, his first manga would never have been printed, he would have been imprisoned, and his talent wouldn't have developed so no Getter Robo, Cutie Honey, Devilman etc.

 

[~FrienD~]

good news looks like this ordinance is now a waste in tokyo and is now proceeding in osaka

 

[Trejon]

well thats at least a relief, but are you sure that ordinance didnt work out in tokyo??, i need to know more about it, to in the worst case prepare me for the wort and hang my self

 

[kanamechidori]

It wasn't rejected or voted down.

It was put off until a latter date.

That's the spineless way of saying we aren't necessarilly voting for it but we aren't voting against it, we'd like to have an opinion but we have careers to think about...so if you want to ban all anime send me money, if you want to save the schoolgirls, send me money, just send me money.

None of them have the integrity or the spine necessary to stand by their vote

 

[~FrienD~]

well their politicians are way too cautious to do anything with the ordinance, assuming there are way too many otaku+hikikomoris(hikikomoris might commit suicide, and bam! under populated japan got run down, no more work force).

 

[Negative Syndicate]

I'm just wondering, what is the possibility that this regulation going to be passed?

 

[korosuke_mh]

There is a very big organization "Nationwide Japan PTA(Parent-Teacher Association) conference" in Japan.
The organization generalizes PTA in nationwide various places.

The activity of this organization includes the following items.
1)Achievement of class for five days during week in complete elementary and junior high schools
2)Healthy outside the school life
3)Prevention of juvenile delinquency
4)Improvement of family education
5)Child abuse, prevention of bullying, and prevention

It insists that the enumerated thing be excluded as follows as one of the actions to achieve these.
･It is an undesirable magazine in the youth.
･Undesirable TV is reported to the youth.
･It is a vulgar program of undesirable TV in the youth.
Media to be excluded are selected by the inside of organization (PTA) questionnaire etc.

The member of PTA (guardian to a childs) has a lot of politicians to politics who take up the PTA's insistence as it is influential because there are quite a lot of numbers.
It is the one that this ordinance was generated by such details, too.

When the resolution postponement was questioned by the mass communication, Tokyo governor declared, "It doesn't know what one the content called undesirable media was".
In a word, it is a situation not necessarily seriously discussed though it embarrassed.

It is more important for politicians not to make PTA an enemy than the content of this agenda.

 

[~FrienD~]

Boys love/yaoi ban???
-translate for yourself(all in jap)

 

[ninryu]

it's pretty complicated, in one hand because of the loli men in japan prefer stay in home and play eroge instead of find a girlfriend so the birth rates in japan are very low; also sometimes the ecchi levels are way too much and pure perverted (see Seikon no Qwaser if you have the courage).

in the other hand it's too much to disallow perverted teenager otakus have their ecchi. ecchi can also be funny if there isn't too much, and in romance and yuri it means there's development. ; )

i think it's the best to allow ecchi as long as it's not pedo pornography or somthing really disgusting.

 

[kanamechidori]

They're trying to ban swim suits and school uniforms.

Australia protected it's children by preventing A cup women from being shown nude and censoring those websites.

Apparently a 30 year old A cup woman in australia is pedo bait.

Censors ALWAYS overstep their bounds, take the inch given to them and then scramble down a whole mile.

I heard that you can be fined if you have hardcore, bdsm, and pr0n with ADULTS.

Morality police are amoral.

 

[~FrienD~]

oh i've heard of that one too, protect the female from the world that's how it goes, nuthing wrong with it. Maybe all males can be finally gay?

just recently there was a survey to change japan's student uniforms, bye bye skirts bye bye good memories(maybe girls will wear gakuran now too).

 

[kanamechidori]

I heard they'll wear the male uniform or a variation of it.

Trousers instead of skirts...

The apocalypse can't come soon enough :'-(