Nah she got humiliated even more
Pretty sure they will die was on that sun attack, bruh did you just assume Diane stayed the same 8.8k till now
, dk like what threw so many attacks and all but the sins didn't even flinch but this hag made them to their knees in 2 attacks and could have killed them with the sun attack
Right but she didn't even stand a chance against all the sins. The Demon King made everyone sweat and they had to work together. He was pretty bad but at least there was some level of threat.Pretty sure they will die was on that sun attack, bruh did you just assume Diane stayed the same 8.8k till now
All the sins were getting pressed by him because he was connected to the magic lake which unlimited magic supply till Diane made a platform and cut that connection, and from what I remember that was like he was also pushed back a lot from Diane throwing rocks lol, also were those holes??? Didn't appear like such to me. But let's also not forget that was Prime Demon king along with all his graces where as SD still had no graces and seemingly had just come back from the seal meaning she's heavily nerfed as hell, yet she performed way better than the Dk who was mostly just physical brawl
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I always thought Baruja was an Indura of Favor tbh. He could withstand the transformation without dying, which would imply his power level was at least in the 50000 range or more. He could very well have been one of the Ten Commandments prior to losing his mind due to the effects of the transformation (Galand is the oldest of the Ten Commandments, so Baruja could potentially have been one of the first commandments that got replaced once he went insane?).
NOOOO peaceful Mael is a total pussy and how tf could you be injured by fodder goddesses and this guy being said to be the strongest archangel yo like wtf you could dominate them even without killing them
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so guess what an 114k Escanor can actually shit over Zeldris who got beaten badly by Dahlia who's nothing compared to Escanor--- Double Post Merged, ---
I think Zeldris would have taken a massive dump on Dahlia if he actually used the advanced Demon Mark at that point. I mean, going by their tag-team against the SD, it doesn't really look like he's much weaker than his older bro using the advanced Demon Mark (if at all, even more so when you factor that he can actually use his OG Magic, something that Mel can't do currently). Dabuzu's best asset couldn't even scratch him and I doubt that best asset could have plausibly been much weaker than Dahlia's attacks (assuming it was acctually weaker).Also in the movie meliodas said like Dahlia's blows were nothing compared to Escanor who was an monster compared to him and showing the 114k and One version of Escanor during his fight in 231
Even if you headcanon that the SD actually took his grace away given the fact that she could create something that looked like a Sun using her power, and even if you say that Mael wasn't trying to hurt his comrades, him being pushed this hard against them even while going easy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. We're talking about people that even fucking Guila, Jericho, Howzer and Gil could afford to defeat very easily by themselves and without killing intent.
From what I understood from manga, high ranking demons with multiple hearts can turn into Indura. So Indura is like a general term for demons who have transformed from their base.Having watched the movie, maybe we were underestimating the Top Holy Knights all this time? I mean, they all looked legitimately comparable to Mael, so there's that
I always thought Baruja was an Indura of Favor tbh. He could withstand the transformation without dying, which would imply his power level was at least in the 50000 range or more. He could very well have been one of the Ten Commandments prior to losing his mind due to the effects of the transformation (Galand is the oldest of the Ten Commandments, so Baruja could potentially have been one of the first commandments that got replaced once he went insane?).
Galand instantly thought of him the moment Monspeet and Derieri went into their Indura of Favor forms (even saying: "Once again, my comrades", which could support him being one of the prior commandments) and in chapter 316 an Indura of Favor is defined as a "legendary best reincarnated from the highest-ranked demons who have offered six of their seven hearts to the darkness". From here, it seems implied he's also an Indura of Favor. Galand seems to say the exact same.
Though now that I look it more closely, the definition in chapter 316 also mentions that those reincarnations come from the Ten Commandments who are loyal to the Demon King. The normal Induras are far weaker than that. It seems to imply that not all the highest-ranking demons become Induras of Favor, but only those who are in the "highest-ranked" category and have been bestowed a Decree by the Demon King (and thus, become one of the Ten Commandments) can become one. The Wikia doesn't list Baruja as an Indura of Favor either, which supports this point.
At the same time, Melascula described the Indura process as a "forbidden art ONLY PERMITTED by a limited number of us Ten Commandments". Considering Baruja could undergo the transformation in the same way as Derieri and Monspeet did, wouldn't that actually imply that he was one of them in the past?
If the Decree is the difference, would this imply that if Current Mel and Zel were to become Induras, they wouldn't be Induras of Favor because they no longer have their respective decrees? If this was the case, their Indura Forms could potentially be even weaker than Monspeet and Derieri's (since Induras of Favor >> Normal Induras), but I don't think this makes much sense (if at all)? Maybe the overall boost in comparison to their normal forms would be much less than if they were to become Induras of Favor (instead of Normal Induras), but this still wouldn't imply that their Indura Forms would be weaker because their base is ridiculously above the level of the Star Duo, if that makes sense.
Man, I wish Nakaba had gone more in-depth about the Indura concept. It seemed to be so cool, but along with a plethora of other concepts and plot points, it got wasted. I can't believe Monspeet and Derieri were the only demons that underwent the transformation.
At this point Mael is but just an messenger and punching bag
, dude literally was an punching bag the entire movie first took hundreds of ark beams from fellow goddesses for an unknown number of times, got his arm factured while punching those ark beams , then again got attacked by SD's thunder God attack.
Mael at his peak should still be fodder to current tiers, since prime mael was just prime mel equal both of those have far been surpassed now and that infamous lines by Mael even with sunshine that he's no match for the demon king even when it was probably near noon and high noon was nearing, he just said no I can't fight someone so powerful he's way beyond me. Tho reasonably thinking since he's just prime mel equivalent he shouldn't actually be any tier near DK so that's fine
) and Dahlia and Dubs were a joke (I find offensive the movie even tried to portray them as legitimate threats when it was obvious they were gonna take a big, fat L). Only redeeming quality of the movie was the animation, tbh.
This seems like the most sensible interpretation. Indura is the true nature of high-ranking demons who are 50K+ in PL (beneath that, you die as you can't handle the transformation), but seeing how Induras of Favor are separated from the normal Induras, then it comes to sense that not all the 50K+ demons become Induras of Favor when they transform. Being one of the 10C seems to be the other requirement to become an Indura of Favor (and the only thing that separates the Ten Commandments from the rest of high-ranking demons are the decrees).
I'm not sure of it, but the six knights of black might regard as an example here.
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There's no doubt Estarossa is one of the best characters of NnT. In fact, Mael was an interesting antagonist for this series, and 4C Mael was several times better than DK and SD combined!NOOOO peaceful Mael is a total pussy and how tf could you be injured by fodder goddesses and this guy being said to be the strongest archangel yo like wtf you could dominate them even without killing them
Already RIP to the guy who's going to be the next sunshine user and this man his mentor
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Also in the movie meliodas said like Dahlia's blows were nothing compared to Escanor who was an monster compared to him and showing the 114k and One version of Escanor during his fight in 231
Going by movie feats, I'd rather argue Guila can beat Mael's ass with about High Diff at the most. She was handling the fodder Goddesses as good as him (if not better tbh), but what truly makes the difference is that Mael had to be saved by her. If it wasn't for that, Mael would have been in trouble while Guila would have kept going defeating the Goddesses. Both were injured prior to making this comparison of feats, so it's completely fair.
It's plausible. I would need to re-watch the first movie
That's pretty much how I interpreted it. If Meliodas without a Commandment transformed into an Indura he would be weaker than if he did it with a Commandment, but obviously his base power would still make him stronger than basically all other Indura. I mean he's already stronger than any of them even without transforming.
My understanding of the mechanics is the same as yours. I've always been fascinated by the different classifications especially since Nakaba did basically nothing to explain them. My entirely unsubstantiated headcanon theory about the types is that they describe different ways of becoming an Indura. The Indura of Favor are called that because they received the favor of the DK in the form of a Commandment, which also improved their transformation process. Based on what Galand said about Baruja, his/her transformation was the same but the Indura's title was different, implying that an Indura of Retribution is formed when someone who has not received the favor of the DK performs the same ritual. There's no obvious connection to the title there so it would have to be some kind of thematic mumbo jumbo about how those who have not received a favor are just acting out in retribution or some such nonsense.
Keep in mind that Chandler and Cusack, the first demons, were 6000 years old, which shouldn't include the 3000 years they spent inside the seal because that's the way it works for all the other demons whose ages have been revealed. That's quite a few generations worth of demons with Indura potential, especially since the ones present in the main story seem to all be fairly young. Zeldris is 252, Meliodas shouldn't be much older than that physically, Derieri was 377, Monspeet was 415. Demon Gowther is a likely candidate as well and he was 460. That's 4 or 5 demons with Indura potential born in a period of 300 years. With that kind of math you could expect there to have been a total of 80-100 demons with Indura potential in the 6000 years before the holy war. No wonder there's a bunch of them roaming around the demon realm or kept as pets. With those kind of numbers you would also start to recognize distinct types, which could be where the different titles come from.
Prime Mael is still in the top ten of all characters though. His portrayal is bad after his arc was done but even some of the sins have yet to surpass him if we use LOGIC and not what mood Nakaba is in on the day of writing Taizai.
Imagine wanking Mael this hard, SMH it's very clear even Griamore could fodderize Mael. He was able to block the Goddesses ark whereas Mael needed to be saved by King from them.Going by movie feats, I'd rather argue Guila can beat Mael's ass with about High Diff at the most. She was handling the fodder Goddesses as good as him (if not better tbh), but what truly makes the difference is that Mael had to be saved by her. If it wasn't for that, Mael would have been in trouble while Guila would have kept going defeating the Goddesses. Both were injured prior to making this comparison of feats, so it's completely fair.
So here we are. Holy Knight Guila stronger than the Angel of Death with a whooping confirmed PL of 1350 and going by feats and portrayal.
It's plausible. I would need to re-watch the first movie(and I don't think it's worth it personally lol),but I think that amongst all of them, Bellion is the one that could potentially have a shot in having a 50K+ PL by feats. The rest I don't think so. IIRC, one of its members couldn't outright instantly fodderize Pre-Purgatory Ban (then again, Mael in this film doesn't look better than Guila so idk if that constitutes an argument judging for the quality of the current power-scaling haha).
Could Mael even beat a Red Demon though? They aren't quite as powerful as Guila, but neither is Mael going by this movie. I guess a Red Demon might still be too much for the Angel of Death? He could probably triumph over them at Noon giving him the benefit of the doubt.
