Character No Speculation Singles Tier List

[Hardy]

I'm starting this thread so we can have a more reliable tier list, focused on things we have seen or at the very least have been said in the manga/fanbooks, leaving little room for speculation and doubts. Players we haven't seen play (or barely) are naturally not listed.

Spoiler: U-17 Singles Revised (In Progress)

Alphabetical order within individual tiers.

S Tier (Top of the World)

Byoudouin
Volk

A+ Tier
Echizen Ryoga
QP
Oni

A Tier (High Pro Level)

Atobe
Amadeus
Bismarck
Fernandez
Rhinehart
Tanegashima
Tezuka
Tokugawa
Watanabe
Zeus

B Tier (TnK Rally+)

Akutsu
Echizen Ryoma
Fuji
Irie
Yukimura

C Tier (TnK Rally)
Chardard
Delon
Dorgias
Sanada
Shiraishi
Siegfried
Toyama

D Tier
Hakamada
Krauser
Momoshiro
Nakagauchi
Oshitari Y.
Sengoku
Yamato

Spoiler: Prefecturals - Tokyo - Kanto - Nationals

Prefectural Tournament
(Chapters 1 - 40)

High

Echizen Ryoma

Mid

Ibu Shinji
Inui Sadaharu
Kaidoh Kaoru
Kamio Akira

Low

Arai Masashi
Sasabe


Tokyo Tournament
(Chapters 41 - 109)

High

Akutsu Jin
Echizen Ryoma
Fuji Shuuske

Mid

Momoshiro Takeshi
Sengoku Kiyosumi

Low

Fuji Yuuta
Mizuki Hajime


Kanto Tournament
(Chapters 110 - 236)

High

Echizen Ryoma
Sanada Gen'ichirou

Upper Mid

Atobe Keigo
Fuji Shuusuke
Inui Sadaharu
Kirihara Akaya
Tezuka Kunimitsu
Yanagi Renji

Lower Mid

Akutagawa Jiro
Aoi Kentarou
Hiyoshi Wakashi
Kamio Akira
Kaidoh Kaoru
Kiraku Yasuyuki
Sengoku Kiyosumi

Low

Kawamura Takashi


National Tournament
(Chapters 237-379)

S Tier

Echizen Ryoma

A Tier

Yukimura Seiichi

B Tier

Fuji Shuusuke
Sanada Gen'ichirou
Tezuka Kunimitsu
Tooyama Kintarou

C Tier

Atobe Keigo
Chitose Senri
Kirihara Akaya
Kite Eishirou
Niou Masaharu
Shiraishi Kuranosuke
Tachibana Kippei

D Tier

Ishida Gin
Liliadent Krauser
Momoshiro Takeshi
Oshitari Yuushi

E Tier

Chinen Hiroshi
Kai Yuujirou
Kikumaru Eiji
Tanishi Kei

F Tier

Aoi Kentarou
Kawamura Takashi
Saeki Kojirou

Only characters that had at least one onscreen match (or currently have one) IN SINGLES (or a close equivalent) are to be ranked.

Concerning the Tier Lists for Prefecturals, Tokyo, Kanto and Nationals, the above criteria apply to the given time frame.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

I'm starting this thread so we can have a more reliable tier list, focused on things we have seen or at the very least have been said in the manga/fanbooks, leaving little room for speculation and doubts. Players we haven't seen play (or barely) are naturally not listed.

Spoiler: U-17 Singles Revised (In Progress)

Alphabetical order within individual tiers.

S Tier

QP

A Tier (Pro Level)

Amadeus
Bismarck
Byoudouin
Oni
E. Ryoga
Rhinehart
Tanegashima
Tezuka
Tokugawa
Watanabe
Yukimura
Zeus

B Tier

Akutsu
Atobe
Chardard
Delon
Dorgias
E. Ryoma
Irie
Sanada
Toyama

C Tier

Krauser
Momoshiro
Nakagauchi
Yamato

Spoiler: Prefecturals - Tokyo - Kanto - Nationals

Prefectural Tournament
(Chapters 1 - 40)

High

Echizen Ryoma

Mid

Ibu Shinji
Inui Sadaharu
Kaidoh Kaoru
Kamio Akira

Low

Arai Masashi
Sasabe


Tokyo Tournament
(Chapters 41 - 109)

High

Akutsu Jin
Echizen Ryoma
Fuji Shuuske

Mid

Momoshiro Takeshi
Sengoku Kiyosumi

Low

Fuji Yuuta
Mizuki Hajime


Kanto Tournament
(Chapters 110 - 236)

High

Echizen Ryoma
Sanada Gen'ichirou

Upper Mid

Atobe Keigo
Fuji Shuusuke
Inui Sadaharu
Kirihara Akaya
Tezuka Kunimitsu
Yanagi Renji

Lower Mid

Akutagawa Jiro
Aoi Kentarou
Hiyoshi Wakashi
Kamio Akira
Kaidoh Kaoru
Kiraku Yasuyuki
Sengoku Kiyosumi

Low

Kawamura Takashi


National Tournament
(Chapters 237-379)

S Tier

Echizen Ryoma

A Tier

Yukimura Seiichi

B Tier

Fuji Shuusuke
Sanada Gen'ichirou
Tezuka Kunimitsu
Tooyama Kintarou

C Tier

Atobe Keigo
Chitose Senri
Kirihara Akaya
Kite Eishirou
Niou Masaharu
Shiraishi Kuranosuke
Tachibana Kippei

D Tier

Ishida Gin
Liliadent Krauser
Momoshiro Takeshi
Oshitari Yuushi

E Tier

Chinen Hiroshi
Kai Yuujirou
Kikumaru Eiji
Tanishi Kei

F Tier

Aoi Kentarou
Kawamura Takashi
Saeki Kojirou

Only characters that had at least one match (or currently have one) are to be ranked.

Concerning the Tier Lists for Prefecturals, Tokyo, Kanto and Nationals, the above criteria apply to the given time frame.

Where are the USA players(Dodo,Kiko,Alan)
Where are the Swiss Players(Peter,Henri)

Oh. I see. It is still in progress

 

[TFJ]

Are the tiers in order? I mean I assume they are, but just checking.

Like, wtf, how is Echizen Ryoga anywhere on any list. Are you going by some fanbook or his one encounter with Byoudin lol.

Tezuka over Tokugawa seems laughable. I guess you can argue Tokugawa hasn't had as many games, but it is heavily implied he destroyed Echizen(PoP) so even with Tezuka training I imagine Tokugawa puts up a fight with Kijin, blackhole, just pure skill.

 

[Hardy]

Where are the USA players(Dodo,Kiko,Alan)
Where are the Swiss Players(Peter,Henri)

Oh. I see. It is still in progress

The whole point is to agree on things we have seen, we have barely any information on those players (all we know is that they are better/worse than each other in singles).

Are the tiers in order? I mean I assume they are, but just checking.

Like, wtf, how is Echizen Ryoga anywhere on any list. Are you going by some fanbook or his one encounter with Byoudin lol.

Tezuka over Tokugawa seems laughable. I guess you can argue Tokugawa hasn't had as many games, but it is heavily implied he destroyed Echizen(PoP) so even with Tezuka training I imagine Tokugawa puts up a fight with Kijin, blackhole, just pure skill.

It's alphabetical, it says so right there.

Ryoga's position is based on the fact that he demolished 4th Jp representative, what we saw him do in the camp, and that he is listed to play Rhinehardt. I can live with him out until spain vs usa is over, though.

Tokugawa defeated Ryoma that had just entered the camp 270 chapters ago. Given the latest developments on Tezuka I find it very hard to think they aren't at least close to each other.

 

[TFJ]

The whole point is to agree on things we have seen, we have barely any information on those players (all we know is that they are better/worse than each other in singles).




It's alphabetical, it says so right there.

Ryoga's position is based on the fact that he demolished 6th Jp representative, what we saw him do in the camp, and that he is listed to play Rhinehardt. I can live with him out until spain vs usa is over, though.

Tokugawa defeated Ryoma that had just entered the camp 270 chapters ago. Given the latest developments on Tezuka I find it very hard to think they aren't at least close to each other.

Thanks, the 'alphabetical' qualifier was hidden in the spoiler in a spot I assume most wouldn't read.

I guess we need to see if Tezuka is super holding back or not. But i imagine Yukimura still cannot match Tokugawa, so the fact that he is 'pushing' Tezuka makes me say T and T aren't close.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Thanks, the 'alphabetical' qualifier was hidden in the spoiler in a spot I assume most wouldn't read.

I guess we need to see if Tezuka is super holding back or not. But i imagine Yukimura still cannot match Tokugawa, so the fact that he is 'pushing' Tezuka makes me say T and T aren't close.

I think there is still a huge gap between Top Hsers and Top Msers.

Even Ryoma Echizen only beat the weakest USA Hser rep Rocky. He have trouble against other USA hsers.

Kintaro only beat Dorgias.

So. Yes. I think Tokugawa is still stronger than Tezuka. Besides, isn't it Tokugawa one of the strongest candidates to fight/beat Volk????

Oops. Sorry. I think i put too much speculation

 

[felixng2011]

Are the tiers in order? I mean I assume they are, but just checking.

Like, wtf, how is Echizen Ryoga anywhere on any list. Are you going by some fanbook or his one encounter with Byoudin lol.

Tezuka over Tokugawa seems laughable. I guess you can argue Tokugawa hasn't had as many games, but it is heavily implied he destroyed Echizen(PoP) so even with Tezuka training I imagine Tokugawa puts up a fight with Kijin, blackhole, just pure skill.

Echizen never used TNK against Tokugawa. Was never implied or shown that he did in either the manga or anime. Nothing suggest Tokugawa is clearly superior to Tezuka.

Not to mention even if Echizen did use TNK he is nowhere near current Tezuka level back then.... TNK Echizen is a bit weaker than JP TNK Tezuka and Germany TNK Tezuka is WAY STRONGER than his JP counterpart.

Tokugawa base stats aren't that great. Based on previous stats they have comparable stats, maybe Tezuka is better now even. Kijin is equivalent to TNK powerup wise.

Unless Tokugawa can bypass ultimate zone completely with blackhole (both the zone and phantom aspect) he is in serious trouble.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 23, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 23, 2020 ---

The whole point is to agree on things we have seen, we have barely any information on those players (all we know is that they are better/worse than each other in singles).




It's alphabetical, it says so right there.

Ryoga's position is based on the fact that he demolished 6th Jp representative, what we saw him do in the camp, and that he is listed to play Rhinehardt. I can live with him out until spain vs usa is over, though.

Tokugawa defeated Ryoma that had just entered the camp 270 chapters ago. Given the latest developments on Tezuka I find it very hard to think they aren't at least close to each other.

We already seen Volk face Tokugawa + Yuki in doubles though. I mean its pretty clear he is above Tokugawa so he should already be listed on the tier list. Of course feat wise he wouldn't rank S just yet even though he probably is as strong or stronger than QP.

 

[LetalHawk]

Tokugawa has Black Hole, but what good does it for him against U.Z? Unless he can steal his senses, there's no way he's breaking through it directly, and his Asura state doesn't help that much either, as his shots will just get pulled in by U.Z easily.

I can perfectly see Tezuka beating Tokugawa right now. That's why I totally agree with him being a little bit higher in the tier list than Toku.

 

[TFJ]

Tokugawa has Black Hole, but what good does it for him against U.Z? Unless he can steal his senses, there's no way he's breaking through it directly, and his Asura state doesn't help that much either, as his shots will just get pulled in by U.Z easily.

I can perfectly see Tezuka beating Tokugawa right now. That's why I totally agree with him being a little bit higher in the tier list than Toku.

Doesnt Black Hole entirely stop the ball and cancel all of its spin? And then let Toku hit it wherever he wants. Omif it does, then the only problem is spammability, but to think Tezuka is now at the peak of G5 level is ridiculous just because he can play vs Yukimura lol.

 

[Kaoz]

Doesnt Black Hole entirely stop the ball and cancel all of its spin?

It does stop the ball, but from the Pre-WC it doesn't seem to necessarily cancel out the spin. If you recall, Wirbeltaufe's vortex spin was still on the shot, which caused Tokugawa to lose his grip despite the black hole.

 

[felixng2011]

Doesnt Black Hole entirely stop the ball and cancel all of its spin? And then let Toku hit it wherever he wants. Omif it does, then the only problem is spammability, but to think Tezuka is now at the peak of G5 level is ridiculous just because he can play vs Yukimura lol.

Like Kaoz said it stops the ball but doesn't necessarily negate the spin. I am guessing shots with a lot of spin are not fully negated.
Also Tokugawa can only use Black Hole for 30 minutes. Maybe the duration he can use it for has improved but I doubt it can last for 3 sets. If Tokugawa cannot negate ultimate zone with black hole he will lose. Either his shots go out due to ultimate zone or the match gets drawn out and he eventually loses due to black hole overuse.

To be honest Tokugawa only did so well against Byodoin since his technique Black Hole is a counter against Byodoin. Byodoin moves slow based on his speed description and he doesn't have a move like Tezuka Zone to compensate for his slow speed so he has a hard time returning Black Hole.
Speed - ?: At any rate, his leg strength is not up to standard. With that speed, it is unknown how he can keep up with the rest of the 1st string.
Actually we see even Frankensteiner can deal with Black Hole so its not invincible.

Honestly I don't see why Tezuka and Yuki don't have an argument for Genius 5 level and above.
Tezuka has TNK + hax moves like Ultimate Zone + ZDS.
Yuki can literally deal with TNK easily and has dream + yips hax.

Not sure what Duke + Tanegeshima + Tokugawa have done featswise that makes them objectively better.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Like Kaoz said it stops the ball but doesn't necessarily negate the spin. I am guessing shots with a lot of spin are not fully negated.
Also Tokugawa can only use Black Hole for 30 minutes. Maybe the duration he can use it for has improved but I doubt it can last for 3 sets. If Tokugawa cannot negate ultimate zone with black hole he will lose. Either his shots go out due to ultimate zone or the match gets drawn out and he eventually loses due to black hole overuse.

To be honest Tokugawa only did so well against Byodoin since his technique Black Hole is a counter against Byodoin. Byodoin moves slow based on his speed description and he doesn't have a move like Tezuka Zone to compensate for his slow speed so he has a hard time returning Black Hole.
Speed - ?: At any rate, his leg strength is not up to standard. With that speed, it is unknown how he can keep up with the rest of the 1st string.
Actually we see even Frankensteiner can deal with Black Hole so its not invincible.

Honestly I don't see why Tezuka and Yuki don't have an argument for Genius 5 level and above.
Tezuka has TNK + hax moves like Ultimate Zone + ZDS.
Yuki can literally deal with TNK easily and has dream + yips hax.

Not sure what Duke + Tanegeshima + Tokugawa have done featswise that makes them objectively better.

Honestly I think they both have a case.
Strong cases.

I even put Tezuka as Germany's no.3 player just behind Volk and Qp. That says a lot. (I also agree with one poster here that we need to see if tezuka is super holding back or not)

Yukimura on the other hand has a case too. Tokugawa,Duke, and Tanegashima doesn't have TNK. Atleast as far as we seen. They may be victimed by Yips or Dream. They are not on Volks level that can negate yips in base form. Also the new move of Yuki is also OP.

I mean if Duke and Byodoin already wary of Fuji. What more of Tezuka and Yukimura.

Right now Tezuka and Yuki is 15x and 10x better than Fuji.(Not saying Fuji is a pushover. He is a Genius)

 

[Kaoz]

Tokugawa,Duke, and Tanegashima doesn't have TNK. Atleast as far as we seen. They may be victimed by Yips or Dream. They are not on Volks level that can negate yips in base form. Also the new move of Yuki is also OP.

I think in the cases of Tokugawa and Tanegashima, you can point to some mental feats that may be equivalent.

Tokugawa:

• When Yukimura lost his senses against Volk, Tokugawa wasn't affected. And that was before Asura kicked back in, which gives him even more fighting spirit.
• While there's a physical component to his style, Byoudouin also aims to crush the opponent's spirit. During the no. 1 match, Kimijima noted that Byoudouin beat down many players to the point that they quit tennis entirely, which is similar to what Yukimura does. In their first encounter, Tokugawa got saved by Oni and Irie, but the second time he got back on his feet by himself.

Tanegashima:

• Zeus broke Shiraishi's spirit before they even started playing, whereas Tanegashima remained unaffected. Likewise, unlike Zeus' other opponents, Tanegashima didn't falter in the desert. Instead of giving up or attempting something new for the sake of trying a different approach, he actually came up with a plan to make a comeback. Sure, it was a one-time trick, but if we're talking about it purely in terms of mental strength, I'd say it's a point in his favor.

I feel like Tanegashima's might be a bit of a stretch, but Tokugawa's seem about as close to overcoming Yips as you can get without having a chance to face Yukimura directly.

 

[GreaterForce]

I think that if we're going just by feats, Tezuka's up there with that lot, even if I don't think he's intended to be able to defeat the top High Schoolers yet. Maybe by the end of the match it'll seem more believable.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

I think that if we're going just by feats, Tezuka's up there with that lot, even if I don't think he's intended to be able to defeat the top High Schoolers yet. Maybe by the end of the match it'll seem more believable.

Yup. Lets see first his last powerup before we can judge

 

[Hardy]

Currently I think we are at something like this:

S Tier (Top of the World)

Byoudouin
Volk

A+ Tier
Echizen Ryoga
QP
Oni

A Tier (High Pro Level)

Atobe
Amadeus
Bismarck
Fernandez
Rhinehart
Tanegashima
Tezuka
Tokugawa
Watanabe
Zeus

B Tier (TnK Rally)

Akutsu
Chardard
Delon
Dorgias
Echizen Ryoma
Fuji
Irie
Sanada
Shiraishi
Siegfried
Toyama
Yukimura

C Tier
Hakamada
Krauser
Momoshiro
Nakagauchi
Oshitari Y.
Sengoku
Yamato

Notes:

-Ryoga needs to be above Ralph but we don't know the limits of his "Consume." Also he barely got any screen time so leaving only those 2 who had a very developed match on top sounds good to me.

-Volk said Oni could beat QP even with his injuries so they cannot be apart in a significant way.

-Atobe and Fernandez are on-going.

-Amadeus lost to Ralph but doesn't deserve to be a whole tier under him. On the flipside, Akutsu did last a whole hour rallying with him to win a game, but he fainted shortly after so they do not belong to the same tier.

-I'm using Ralph before his tennis was stolen.

-Current Tanegashima has the edge over Bismarck but not enough for them to be separated (unless we make smaller tiers here).

-Duke is likely the worst one in his tier IMO but the 1 shot kill threat makes him hard to be tiered. Also the 3 demon's comments on Duke vs Tokuwaga ("they are on a completely different level") make it hard to justify dropping him.

-Based on their matches against Tanegashima, I scale Zeus with Bismarck.

-Chardard was unfortunate to face someone that was immune to his whole playstyle, honestly. That said, a part of his scaling is based on Ludovic who massively improved in his own match.

-Fuji scales with current Ryoma who in turn is better than Kin, based on Shiraishi's comments (who knows him well enough to dominate him with ease)... not sure I'd want to drop Kin.

Maybe

B Tier (TnK Rally+)

Akutsu
Delon
Echizen Ryoma
Fuji
Yukimura

C Tier (TnK Rally)
Chardard
Dorgias
Irie
Sanada
Shiraishi
Siegfried
Toyama

But Toyama also got a quick game of TnK Oni whereas Akutsu took an hour to win one from Amadeus, and I struggle seeing Amadeus so much stronger than Oni using only TnK (who was dominating QP) to justify this.

-I don't wanna add Kirihara since he evolved after his "singles match" against Siegfried. He starts in "TnK Rally" tier then jumps to god knows what.

-Oshitari and Hakamada may deserve to have a tier on their own.

-Sengoku.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Currently I think we are at something like this:

S Tier (Top of the World)

Byoudouin
Volk

A Tier
Echizen Ryoga
QP
Oni

A Tier (High Pro Level)

Atobe
Amadeus
Bismarck
Fernandez
Rhinehart
Tanegashima
Tezuka
Tokugawa
Watanabe
Zeus

B Tier (TnK Rally)

Akutsu
Chardard
Delon
Dorgias
Echizen Ryoma
Fuji
Irie
Sanada
Shiraishi
Siegfried
Toyama
Yukimura

C Tier
Hakamada
Krauser
Momoshiro
Nakagauchi
Oshitari Y.
Sengoku
Yamato

Notes:

-Ryoga needs to be above Ralph but we don't know the limits of his "Consume." Also he barely got any screen time so leaving only those 2 who had a very developed match on top sounds good to me.

-Volk said Oni could beat QP even with his injuries so they cannot be apart in a significant way.

-Atobe and Fernandez are on-going.

-Amadeus lost to Ralph but doesn't deserve to be a whole tier under him. On the flipside, Akutsu did last a whole hour rallying with him to win a game, but he fainted shortly after so they do not belong to the same tier.

-I'm using Ralph before his tennis was stolen.

-Current Tanegashima has the edge over Bismarck but not enough for them to be separated (unless we make smaller tiers here).

-Duke is likely the worst one in his tier IMO but the 1 shot kill threat makes him hard to be tiered. Also the 3 demon's comments on Duke vs Tokuwaga ("they are on a completely different level") make it hard to justify dropping him.

-Based on their matches against Tanegashima, I scale Zeus with Bismarck.

-Chardard was unfortunate to face someone that was immune to his whole playstyle, honestly. That said, a part of his scaling is based on Ludovic who massively improved in his own match.

-Fuji scales with current Ryoma who in turn is better than Kin, based on Shiraishi's comments (who knows him well enough to dominate him with ease)... not sure I'd want to drop Kin.

Maybe

B Tier (TnK Rally+)

Akutsu
Delon
Echizen Ryoma
Fuji
Yukimura

C Tier (TnK Rally)
Chardard
Dorgias
Irie
Sanada
Shiraishi
Siegfried
Toyama

But Toyama also got a quick game of TnK Oni whereas Akutsu took an hour to win one from Amadeus, and I struggle seeing Amadeus so much stronger than Oni using only TnK (who was dominating QP) to justify this.

-I don't wanna add Kirihara since he evolved after his "singles match" against Siegfried. He starts in "TnK Rally" tier then jumps to god knows what.

-Oshitari and Hakamada may deserve to have a tier on their own.

-Sengoku.

No Medanore and Tokugawa? Or You are waiting for their match?

 

[Hardy]

No Medanore and Tokugawa? Or You are waiting for their match?

We haven't seen Medanore touch a single ball.

Tokugawa is in A.

 

[-Ken-]

B and A feels like the same tier to me tbh. It's Konomi ways of essentially giving top tier the tools and chance of fighting TnK.

I don't think Ryoga can rank be in a no speculation manner yet. But if he can, he's probably in A from his latest match with Reinfor now.

 

[Hardy]

B and A feels like the same tier to me tbh. It's Konomi ways of essentially giving top tier the tools and chance of fighting TnK.

I don't think Ryoga can rank be in a no speculation manner yet. But if he can, he's probably in A from his latest match with Reinfor now.

Hm, but pretty much everyone on A scales directly with someone sharing this tier or by being better than someone from B.

Atobe started this last match around Dorgias and has only (greatly) improved since.

Fernandez with Atobe^ and some of Bismarck.

Amadeus with Akutsu.

Rhinehart with Amadeus^.

Tanegashima, Bismarck and Zeus all scale relatively with each other.

Tezuka with Yukimura.

Tokugawa with Duke and both of them with Sanada and Yukimura watching them.

On Ryoga, well, we're going with what we saw. The moment he went serious the game was pretty much over and Ralph's tennis got weaker and weaker, he stood no chance.

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 2, 2023, Original Post Date: Sep 9, 2023 ---

Raised Irie to TnK+ after what was discussed in this other thread.