Po Bidau Family vs Lo Po Bia Family

[Kiibou]

So which Family ended up looking stronger to you?

from all the members that are shown already, including the deceased, and also including the new technologies of the PB.

which family felt stronger to you?

 

[Demonspeed]

As of now, the Lo Po Bias seem stronger. They have better feats, the Po Bidaus haven't shown much compared to them.

 

[kkck]

Welp, they get their branch heads captured but on the other hand at least a part of this has to do with the PB shinwonryu weapons. I suppose the PB are technically ahead over technological feats but that's not to say the PB are weaker or stronger in terms of the collective or individual strength of their rankers.

 

[insignificant creature]

Lo po bia are stronger. For me, Lo po bia are cooler in terms of design,drip and haircut. They even have a position,anima for themselves. On the other hand, we can't rule out the Poe bidau's tech which is mainly gustang work especially shinsu black hole sphere ship, tiara's pen and even fake bracelet. With this tech, I believe, Poe bidau are stronger but interns of natural talent, I will have to go with lo po bia. I personally feel for lo po bia family as they could be one of top 3 family if they use their divine sea creatures properly and they have much more potential.
But again gustang received bracelet for over just 2 years which is nothing in the tower, but still managed to make those tech, hats off to him. But then again, I don't think they have that many shinsu back hole sphere floating carriers. And many small floating carriers self destruct while traumerai tried to capture it and when Michael went to receive boom,he only had one big floating carrier. So,in this war, I think its 50-50 for me. But again lore wise, gustang is also an end game villain. Will be exciting to see how this war turns out. I am personally in not favour of seeing one of the ten family leaders to die this soon.

 

[Kiibou]

As of now, the Lo Po Bias seem stronger. They have better feats, the Po Bidaus haven't shown much compared to them.

One thing they did shown is their #3 Dumas performing beyond Kirin, LPB’s #3 if we assume #1 is the Family Leaders.

 

[kkck]

Dumas has some impressive feats but we know nothing of kirin that puts him ahead or behind dumas.

 

[insignificant creature]

Dumas has some impressive feats but we know nothing of kirin that puts him ahead or behind dumas.

Man Kirin has greatest feat in ToG verse i.e to stand up

 

[big094]

I think both family leaders have been presented to have massively amped the stronger members of their family, which i think points to these two family's naturally being the two weakest (barring the hendo lok). As it relates to the lo po bias, they mostly rely on their anima abilities, but the beasts they command are gifts from the family head. The fights have shown for the most part that animals are vastly superior to their handlers. Dokoko being a prime example. On the po bidau side, Dumas is clearly some form of experiment and amped being, Guiscard was trash without his spell, Tiara was worried about death when she lost her pen. Richemont and Michel appear to have been written into existence. By contrast, the high ranking Khun’s have displayed natural affinity for their skillsets, and as a yet no family leader given amps. The anima ability to transfer their conscience to their beasts given them a bit of durability, but i really am not seeing where the base high rankers from both sides will really outrank one another. Dumas has the best feats, it would be nice to seem him in direct contest against a Robadon or Kirin to really see where each family stands. Ill leave Proust out of this since Yama 3.0 has shattered his defences

 

[Demonspeed]

I don't see how anything they have shown proves that they are the weakest families. If getting gifts and being the subject of experiments means that you are weak, then what is Baam? You can only get carried by your items to a certain extent too. In the end, it's how you use your abilities which matter.

 

[Ramakant]

I don't see how anything they have shown proves that they are the weakest families. If getting gifts and being the subject of experiments means that you are weak, then what is Baam? You can only get carried by your items to a certain extent too. In the end, it's how you use your abilities which matter.

I mean like they don't have strong base forms. Even yama is powerful than these clowns. He has his transformations but they just purely rely on their beast to fight strong opponents.

 

[big094]

I don't see how anything they have shown proves that they are the weakest families. If getting gifts and being the subject of experiments means that you are weak, then what is Baam? You can only get carried by your items to a certain extent too. In the end, it's how you use your abilities which matter.

Weakest probably is the wrong word. Maybe least naturally talented would be more appropriate

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 13, 2024, Original Post Date: Feb 13, 2024 ---

I mean like they don't have strong base forms. Even yama is powerful than these clowns. He has his transformations but they just purely rely on their beast to fight strong opponents.

Was thinking this too. In base most havent been overly impressive or intimidating

 

[insignificant creature]

Acc to god bellerire, both PB and LPB forces would be devasted. He has kept his promises. LPB is almost annihilated. 7 BLs died. None cares about L Baba and goruro. Kirin the 2nd one in command betrayed. Even if the war is stopped at this moment, LPB has far casualties already. Trauma is receiving hate from everywhere. From his sons, daughters, animals. Every one wants him dead. As for PB, we only have richemont who looks strong returned to the text. Tho he might be revived. None knows. I hope Robadon or yama kills gir,erno,ruini, if possible even proust. Hugo is nothing now. Nubils and Guiscard death looks nothing. The only strong characters from PB aside from Gus looks Dumas, Proust,bellerire,and tiara.

 

[kkck]

Bellerier has admitted he isn't powerful. He has his status exclusively because gustang ordered the family. I suppose he could be someone whose talents are different from the rest of the family but even then he shouldn't be a powerhouse. Tiara is weird, I don't think she has the same status as the PB framed as the top fighters of the family. Though it's clear she can punch above her weight class under the right circumstances. Ultimately gustang doesn't care about his family and they probably aren't meant to survive this arc. I do wonder what either family head would do going forward if they survive...

 

[Demonspeed]

I mean like they don't have strong base forms. Even yama is powerful than these clowns. He has his transformations but they just purely rely on their beast to fight strong opponents.

Not all characters have transformations. Some are more weapon specialists, expert at their positions etc. Yama himself has great potential and as of now he is definitely up there with Lobadon/Kirin/Dumas.

Weakest probably is the wrong word. Maybe least naturally talented would be more appropriate

I don't think families are inherently superior or inferior to the others, excepted the Arie. They are portrayed as the best of the best. But talent varies from person to person.

 

[kkck]

Hmm, I'd still frame this as some families having skills more suitable for combat than others when it comes to the non arie-ha-koon families. In the grand scheme of things the families in fact have some manner of balance between them but SIU usually frames combat in the tower as some things simply having advantages or countering others which I would argue should play into their power dynamic as well. It's also probably why SIU has seemingly retconned the PB family from merely support wave controllers and threw into their top brass at least a top tier wave controller (who might also be good at other stuff), 2 spear bearers (dumas and kir), hugo (seems like a wave controller-fisherman mix) and a bunch of random ass spell users (which perhaps were hinted at when gustang said he was the most knowledgeable about spells or something to that effect at the hidden floor). If SIU has stucked to the lore then the po bidao would have been support type characters that shouldn't fare that well against the LPB... All LPB branch heads so far have their own skills which either support or are supported by a strong shineuh for instance. None have simply thrown a pokemon to do all the fighting.

I'd argue that siu retconned the PB a bit because it would be too restrictive to have them in the story as they were framed in the lore and still match other families who per the lore have skills more suitable for combat. For instance, hana had the ancient flame and effectively worked as a fisherman and wave controller. Eurasia had talent in offensive wave controlling. It's impossible to tell who'd win from that of course but when it comes to positions combat fisherman in theory has an advantage over wave controller due to the specks involved. A family of defenders doesn't sound like it wins fights though they probably have a lot of people in the family who aren't born bloodmadders due to their unique circumstances. A family of lightbearers would not like to fight... anyone at all so odds are they function as lightbearers with a variety of attributes. The ari seem to have needle attributes so I think this will hold up in the future.

The arie-ha-koon families probably hold their position because their characteristic attributes are just outstanding for combat and don't need to get too creative to get an edge. Their skills are simply good in the tower meta. Arie swordsmanship which is per the lore the strongest style in the tower... The koon with their resilient bodies and multiple potent shinsoo attributes (lightning, electric spear and ice spear at least) function primarily and the ha with their tough bodies and simple but incredibly effective reinforcement (though I'd expect top ranked ha folk have even more special varieties of it).