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As Tiara said, the PB family specialises in keeping history, literature and knowledge.
In short,PB family is a family of writers, historians and scientists.
An important PB activity is the book club, this activity is important enough that Gustang doesn't like to cancel it and if it is cancelled the next session will last longer to compensate.
it seems that each session normally lasts 3 hours

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physical feature
brown is Gustang's trait and many PBs have it
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Descendants
Of the PBs introduced, only Tiara and Bellerir are declared to be Gustang's children. In addition, we have learned that some of his family members are artificial entities.
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Mothership

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Hierarchy:
Gustang
Bellerir
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Proust
Dumas
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below, unlike LPB, it's quite difficult to determine the hierarchy due to the sheer lack of information

the term "Librarian" comes up quite often, 3 types of Librarian have been introduced
Supreme Librarian
Arch-Librarian
1st rank librarian

however not all members of the army wear these titles making the hierarchy confusing
here is a temporary list which will be modified when more information will be added
Mikel/Richemont
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Hugo/Gir/Ernaux
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Varane/Giskar/Luini
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Nubils

I still don't know where to put Tiara
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Figthing style
PB seem to focus on the use of spells and/or special items.
 

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Good work. I was thinking about creating a thread about them too. Compared to the Lo Po Bias they are disappointing in some areas(designs and fighting styles). I was expecting to see more powerful Wave Controllers, but even among their top fighters they aren't prevalent.

Disregarding Gustang, the only ones I like so far are Tiara, Hugo and Dumas.
 

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To me their lack of wave controllers is what stands out the most from a lore perspective. Their top fighters seem to cover a variety of positions most of which do not appear to be wave controller. Dumas and kir are spear bearers. Hugo uses shinsoo blasts with a needle which suggest a short to mid range fighter... I suppose a fisherman/scout-wave controller hybrid? Pruost's primary position would appear to be light bearer. Erno does have a wave controller vibe at least. Richment, if he even counts, was a lightbearer. Guiscard has a fisherman-scout vibe. On top of that a lot of PB folk appear to be spell users. Dumas, tiara, guiscard seem to carry some with them. On top of that gustang has said something to the effect of him knowing more about spells than any of the family heads.

The feel I get from this is that perhaps gustang has optimized his family for combat over eons. Wave controllers are not optimal combatants (I'd frame this as the meta favoring kallavan types) so gustang who likely has been preparing for war for god knows how long made sure to equip his family with tools and spells to make them deadly. A family of wave controllers should logically struggle in a war against a family of fishermen or scouts.
 

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To me their lack of wave controllers is what stands out the most from a lore perspective. Their top fighters seem to cover a variety of positions most of which do not appear to be wave controller. Dumas and kir are spear bearers. Hugo uses shinsoo blasts with a needle which suggest a short to mid range fighter... I suppose a fisherman/scout-wave controller hybrid? Pruost's primary position would appear to be light bearer. Erno does have a wave controller vibe at least. Richment, if he even counts, was a lightbearer. Guiscard has a fisherman-scout vibe. On top of that a lot of PB folk appear to be spell users. Dumas, tiara, guiscard seem to carry some with them. On top of that gustang has said something to the effect of him knowing more about spells than any of the family heads.

The feel I get from this is that perhaps gustang has optimized his family for combat over eons. Wave controllers are not optimal combatants (I'd frame this as the meta favoring kallavan types) so gustang who likely has been preparing for war for god knows how long made sure to equip his family with tools and spells to make them deadly. A family of wave controllers should logically struggle in a war against a family of fishermen or scouts.
I don't think it's possible to optimize it that way. In the end, you can't change your talents. Fisherman is considered the best Position in general but it's subjective. Baam, who will probably be the strongest Irregular in the Tower is a born Wave Controller.

Many characters are item users, Baam included. I don't believe that WCs would naturally struggle against Fishermen or Scouts. Scouts, like WCs are also usually the support or offensive types.
 

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The po bidau characters we have been introduced to this arc have had varying degrees of intrigue. I think SIU introduced too many arbitrarily and failed to give most proper development. Tiara was brought in with a lot of hype and bloodlust. Despite this she hasnt particularly been successful in anything she set out to do. Her current objective to target bellerir/revolution is also seemingly a dead end because Gustang is almost certainly aware of or backing the revolution. Based on how SIU has been handling fights, we most likely cant even look forward to her massacring the branch leaders at the chess game. Speaking of Gustang, his wanton disregard for his own family has been bizarre. We know the family heads decided to draw a line between themselves and the regulars, but what has the family he started done to deserve annihilation ? His seemingly complete distaste for traumerei in particular seems strange, especially considering they both lost what seems to be similar memories. If Jahad had sent arie hon after him, would his actions be the same? Gustang/Bellerir’s misinformation to the family members has been quite bizarre as well. Hugo and Guiscard were both very short of information on what they were to do or the purpose of their missions. Tiara has seemingly only been given parts of the mission. All that was done to deceive robadon could have been solved with sending Dumas and Richemont after him. Dumas strength and richemonts lightbearing should have been enough to execute him.

In terms of character strength, Dumas was very impressive and is clearly in the top tier of high rankers. Tiara is hard to scale, she should have been able to kill Yuri, and wasnt afraid to take on Kirin. Richemonts lighthouse skills were impressive but i believe if left 1v1 bam would have been able to execute him. Guiscard was a bit disappointing and if Yama and Yasratcha had started off better he would have been one shot. We havent seen Ruini fight but based on Varane being utterly outclassed by Garnac we cant expect him to be that powerful. Gir/Erno seem to be average at best, their minuscule hype of cleaning up pudidy and perseus has long since worn off and Bellerir seems to be nothing more than a front man with no real combat ability.

On another note, I like how closely alligned the po bidaus seem to be with the workshop. (Gustangs ship, fake fit bit) It ties in well with the potential link to headon, fug, revolution and all entities seeking change in the universe. The families usage of ancient technology is also interesting as well as how all of Gustangs highlighted army members seem to have been specially equipped (dumas’ carrier, tiaras pen, michel’s shipwonryu, etc) . Proust and Dumas’ designs and seemingly longstanding existence makes me wonder if Traumerei and and Gustang collaborated in the past on beastification or humanizing towerfolk. I refuse to believe that Gustangs number 2&3 are a reindeer and a cyborg. Ironically both designs would probably fit lo po bia more.

The most interesting thing for me though has been richemont. If Gustang can indeed write people into existence, he could raise up a whole new army if needs be. The workshop was able to produce rule breakers like aria, Gustang should be capable of far more than that. Also if richemont fulfilled his purpose by delivering the book I do wonder what Michel is meant to fulfill.

All in all, I have found the po bidaus underwhelming. Thats perhaps intentional as they are supposed to be the nerds of the tower. I guess thats also why SIU threw in a few wildcards… Tiara and Hugo to name a few. Overall, at the end of this arc, im not sure many of the characters will be remembered barring Gustang and Dumas. The lo po bias have a similar problem as most of the branch leaders have been utterly forgettable as well. It does beg the question of how SIU is going to build hype for the other families.
 
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Considering what was revealed in the last chapter, who isn't a bunch of lines of text among the Po Bidaus? Tiara, Matt, Monocle and Gustang?
 

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Considering what was revealed in the last chapter, who isn't a bunch of lines of text among the Po Bidaus? Tiara, Matt, Monocle and Gustang?
for now
only arch Librarian are said to be scripture
so anyone not declared to be an arch librarian is real.
This may change in the future, but for now it should be a good method of sorting.
 

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for now
only arch Librarian are said to be scripture
so anyone not declared to be an arch librarian is real.
This may change in the future, but for now it should be a good method of sorting.
But who are Arch Librarians? I am pretty sure that Dumas hadn't been introduced as one. Which made me think that perhaps all the elite members that we have seen count by default. Like Proust and Ernaux.
 

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But who are Arch Librarians? I am pretty sure that Dumas hadn't been introduced as one
Well Micheal in ch590 did say to richemont we are both head librarians born from the scriptures of FL. So no need to thank me
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Ernaux and gir seemed to have come out of book in ch 552. So I wonder if he can bring them back to life again and again since we did see them in S2 Ch 337.
 

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Well Micheal in ch590 did say to richemont we are both head librarians born from the scriptures of FL. So no need to thank me
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Ernaux and gir seemed to have come out of book in ch 552. So I wonder if he can bring them back to life again and again since we did see them in S2 Ch 337.
That doesn't necessarily include dumas though, dumas a scripture isn't a conclusion we could have reached at that point. We could have speculated of course.

At the moment my guess is that gustang's scripture power is probably a extreme version of what tiara does with her word power... So gustang can probably do whatever he wants in this regard. Though its a bit weird that gustang is able to will people into existence through his own power and yet his family is not particularly remarkable among the 10 great families.
 

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But who are Arch Librarians? I am pretty sure that Dumas hadn't been introduced as one. Which made me think that perhaps all the elite members that we have seen count by default. Like Proust and Ernaux.
Arch Librarian= Mikel, Richemond, Dumas.
Proust is not a arch Librarian is a supreme Librarian
Gir, Ernaux , Hugo and other are not confirmed to be arch librarian, so we shouldn't count them at least for now
 

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That doesn't necessarily include dumas though, dumas a scripture isn't a conclusion we could have reached at that point. We could have speculated of course.

At the moment my guess is that gustang's scripture power is probably a extreme version of what tiara does with her word power... So gustang can probably do whatever he wants in this regard. Though its a bit weird that gustang is able to will people into existence through his own power and yet his family is not particularly remarkable among the 10 great families.
Yea, it doesn't but Dumas himself confirmed he was born from scripture, isn't it?
Rather than scripture power, I would say it is SBHS as Yuri implies what tiara did violates the rules.
 

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Sbhs?
 

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Ah. Shinwonryu hasn't been shown doing that sort of stuff. Yuri thought what tiara did violated the rules because tiara used more shinsoo than she was allowed by replicating Yuri's attack times 4.
 

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Ah. Shinwonryu hasn't been shown doing that sort of stuff. Yuri thought what tiara did violated the rules because tiara used more shinsoo than she was allowed by replicating Yuri's attack times 4.
But even trauma said he could bring creatures back to life with all creatures. So I thought Gus could also do with his all knowledge
 

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But even trauma said he could bring creatures back to life with all creatures. So I thought Gus could also do with his all knowledge
??? All Creatures is Traumerei's Shinwonryu. All the Irregulars have a different Shinwonryu. We haven't seen Gustang's.
 

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??? All Creatures is Traumerei's Shinwonryu. All the Irregulars have a different Shinwonryu. We haven't seen Gustang's.
IKr. I just assumed since trauma has all creatures, I thought Gus would be all knowledge
 

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I figured gustangs equivalent could be the library he used against traumerei.
 

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Tiara turned out to be a Scripture but her status has never been mentioned IIRC so we can't know if she was an Arch Librarian.

How do you think Gustang creates them? Considering that many Po Bidaus look like him I guess he must use his blood in some way, along with whatever paper he is using.
 
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