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I am recently watching One Pace edit version of Fishman Island arc.
I doubt I get many responses because it about a past arc. But yeah, the title of this thread is misleading because I am actually want to talk more about Queen Otohime, which a lot of readers didn't like. Even with my own personal worldview, I don't think the method of Dr. King or Gandhi are realistic and would work under other circumstances. I would rather favor the like of Ho Chi Minh and Malcolm X. But I am actually going to make a case for her.
Don't think this issue as a black and white issue since it really is not. So comparing to Otohime to the like of Dr. King would fall short. Discrimination take place as long as one identify strongly as part of something in contrast with something else. Power played a factor such as the Nobles and up course ignorant also played a factor.
So who is more practical of the two? I actually thought both are practical based on their abilities. Fisher Tiger has the strength and charisma to carry out what he did. And he doesn't burden with a role within Fishmen society. What I meant is that a Fishmen prince can't do what he did, because that person represent the Fishmen Island and its position to the world government. Such act could put the whole entire island at risk.
Otohime is practical. The danger of isolation of Fishmen Island, I think may have cross her mind but may not yet 100% clicked in her head. By that I meant, if a natural catastrophe was to happen, the fishmen and merfolks would have no place to go (lol humans are even more farfetched, I meant we place hope in Mars in case if something happen to Earth). So in that situation, would you want to work outside of the system or within the system to achieve emigration? If you want to work outside of the system, you need tremendous power like Whitebeard. The kingdom does have one of the ancient weapons (and I don't think they want to put that ancient weapon in harm way especially consider the nature of that ancient weapon) but it isn't realistic that they could overtake an island and or defend themselves if the world is to turn against them.
So she had to work within the system. But she had two problems, an external one and an internal one. The external one including prejudice, slavery, world noble, politics, etc. The internal one is that fishmen/merfolks, through their experiences, are fearful and too distrust (rightfully) to think about the possibility of migration and future interaction with humans.
In essence, the problem transcendence race really. It about survival more than petty discrimination. In a way, I supposed you can think of it as Israel vs Palestine. Palestine had no global political power. Whatever you are on the issues, but Palestine was done wrong by the United Nation after WW2. (I meant to a lesser extend, if the UN came to the USA and ask the USA to donate say 2 or 3 states for the native Americans because the natives did had the natural right and up course they were under mass genocide by the Americans and Europeans. Lol, I doubt the USA would be all fine and dandy. And especially since Palestine had nothing to do with the holocaust). So if you are Palestinian would you go the violent route or would you go through the impossible United Nations route (people kinda go both ways, neither achieve anything meaningful). Palestinians ask the UN to recognize their state, and they failed due to the influences of the USA.
But by a miracle Otohime actually achieve it and get the Celestial Dragon's approval. She solved her external problem somewhat. And by putting herself to go to the human world, she did convince a great many people about the surface world (the internal problem). Fisher Tiger method could never achieve Otohime's goal. Fisher Tiger admitted as much.
Though, she is still a foolish idealist. She didn't consider what happen if she went to the Blue Sea and something really bad happen to her. That would set her plan back couple hundred years. But at that point in the story, she had nothing to lose. I appreciate the scene that she was drunk. Unlike Tiger who can constantly in action, her job was to be patient. And it is extremely hard if her plan is the unpopular one. That scene showed there is a limit to her. By breaking down, and admit the truth about the state of Fishman island, it showed much humanity in her character. I meant she would never admit something so gloom without boozes.
Fisher Tiger was a well written character. I think many people also misunderstood his character. He picked the route that he pick because he had to. But one thing that pretty much describe his character is PRIDE. The pride to be better than human and had the moral superiority. It is his pride that allow him to do favors for human but can't be indebted to them. It is his pride that he had such a hard time to reveal that he was a slave.
Overall, I am actually enjoy Fishmen Island arc a great deal. Watching an edit version of the anime which solve the pacing situation. I meant the anime did add depth to the journey to Fishemen Island. That probably one of my greatest enjoyment of the arc, the adventure there was pretty awesome to watch. There was quite a lot of suspense even on the route going there. The fishman Island was pretty creative, so was their social and natural problems. I haven't finished the arc, but the falling Noah should create great suspense.
Noted though, Oda is usually very creative with how he had to split everyone up, so he can focus on a few of the strawhats at a time. Nico Robin got the brunch of it this time and pretty much disappear for most of the time on the island. She was away from most of the conflict. At least Franky got to sit through the flashbacks.
I doubt I get many responses because it about a past arc. But yeah, the title of this thread is misleading because I am actually want to talk more about Queen Otohime, which a lot of readers didn't like. Even with my own personal worldview, I don't think the method of Dr. King or Gandhi are realistic and would work under other circumstances. I would rather favor the like of Ho Chi Minh and Malcolm X. But I am actually going to make a case for her.
Don't think this issue as a black and white issue since it really is not. So comparing to Otohime to the like of Dr. King would fall short. Discrimination take place as long as one identify strongly as part of something in contrast with something else. Power played a factor such as the Nobles and up course ignorant also played a factor.
So who is more practical of the two? I actually thought both are practical based on their abilities. Fisher Tiger has the strength and charisma to carry out what he did. And he doesn't burden with a role within Fishmen society. What I meant is that a Fishmen prince can't do what he did, because that person represent the Fishmen Island and its position to the world government. Such act could put the whole entire island at risk.
Otohime is practical. The danger of isolation of Fishmen Island, I think may have cross her mind but may not yet 100% clicked in her head. By that I meant, if a natural catastrophe was to happen, the fishmen and merfolks would have no place to go (lol humans are even more farfetched, I meant we place hope in Mars in case if something happen to Earth). So in that situation, would you want to work outside of the system or within the system to achieve emigration? If you want to work outside of the system, you need tremendous power like Whitebeard. The kingdom does have one of the ancient weapons (and I don't think they want to put that ancient weapon in harm way especially consider the nature of that ancient weapon) but it isn't realistic that they could overtake an island and or defend themselves if the world is to turn against them.
So she had to work within the system. But she had two problems, an external one and an internal one. The external one including prejudice, slavery, world noble, politics, etc. The internal one is that fishmen/merfolks, through their experiences, are fearful and too distrust (rightfully) to think about the possibility of migration and future interaction with humans.
In essence, the problem transcendence race really. It about survival more than petty discrimination. In a way, I supposed you can think of it as Israel vs Palestine. Palestine had no global political power. Whatever you are on the issues, but Palestine was done wrong by the United Nation after WW2. (I meant to a lesser extend, if the UN came to the USA and ask the USA to donate say 2 or 3 states for the native Americans because the natives did had the natural right and up course they were under mass genocide by the Americans and Europeans. Lol, I doubt the USA would be all fine and dandy. And especially since Palestine had nothing to do with the holocaust). So if you are Palestinian would you go the violent route or would you go through the impossible United Nations route (people kinda go both ways, neither achieve anything meaningful). Palestinians ask the UN to recognize their state, and they failed due to the influences of the USA.
But by a miracle Otohime actually achieve it and get the Celestial Dragon's approval. She solved her external problem somewhat. And by putting herself to go to the human world, she did convince a great many people about the surface world (the internal problem). Fisher Tiger method could never achieve Otohime's goal. Fisher Tiger admitted as much.
Though, she is still a foolish idealist. She didn't consider what happen if she went to the Blue Sea and something really bad happen to her. That would set her plan back couple hundred years. But at that point in the story, she had nothing to lose. I appreciate the scene that she was drunk. Unlike Tiger who can constantly in action, her job was to be patient. And it is extremely hard if her plan is the unpopular one. That scene showed there is a limit to her. By breaking down, and admit the truth about the state of Fishman island, it showed much humanity in her character. I meant she would never admit something so gloom without boozes.
Fisher Tiger was a well written character. I think many people also misunderstood his character. He picked the route that he pick because he had to. But one thing that pretty much describe his character is PRIDE. The pride to be better than human and had the moral superiority. It is his pride that allow him to do favors for human but can't be indebted to them. It is his pride that he had such a hard time to reveal that he was a slave.
Overall, I am actually enjoy Fishmen Island arc a great deal. Watching an edit version of the anime which solve the pacing situation. I meant the anime did add depth to the journey to Fishemen Island. That probably one of my greatest enjoyment of the arc, the adventure there was pretty awesome to watch. There was quite a lot of suspense even on the route going there. The fishman Island was pretty creative, so was their social and natural problems. I haven't finished the arc, but the falling Noah should create great suspense.
Noted though, Oda is usually very creative with how he had to split everyone up, so he can focus on a few of the strawhats at a time. Nico Robin got the brunch of it this time and pretty much disappear for most of the time on the island. She was away from most of the conflict. At least Franky got to sit through the flashbacks.
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