Well, if Lambu doesn't try harder I'll just go full anime Roy Mustang and vote her because skirt.the power of madoka reference to other series is too powerful
( i needed to post this somewhere but didnt find a place so here)
Well, if Lambu doesn't try harder I'll just go full anime Roy Mustang and vote her because skirt.the power of madoka reference to other series is too powerful
( i needed to post this somewhere but didnt find a place so here)
Ho ho impressiveif youre wondering what happen to lambu, homura already finished him off
Lambu might still push back.I mean, it is a work week..
Not to mention I feel like Lambu is approaching the status of...
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Glad you liked it with my 10/10 shitty editing skillsHo ho impressive
most impressive indeed
I dont have the time or energy to fight like before, Im too drained from the last round.@Lambu Don't die on me! You still have one more task to fulfill...this is your obligation!
You are twisting a lot of information here or straight up misinforming.What makes reinhard so op isn't the sword but his blessings, certainly the sword give him the boost for the fact he can cut through anything but there a reason why the previous swords saints weren't as powerful as reinhard
The blessing, one of the previous sword saints is literally now being manipulated as a zombie, the sword certainly didn't manage to protect them
What i got at least is that in my recherches it's possible to strip blessing away if the area is isolated, lambu now says it weaken it but still that does say that mind manipulation could work in her labyrinth because of that
Also homura and satella definitely have a lot in common but don't misunderstand that they the same, they not, it just the time manipulation
Satella still bound by od laguna... sealed away
The fact he be in her labyrinth is gonna make her mind manipulation possible, it doesn't matter if the sword can cut through anything if he doesn't know it plus whats stopping homura form sealing the sword in her soul gem
It's part of reinhard powers afterall
The sword can't be broken but there nothing stating it can't be sealed
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Ohhh you are pulling the shameless "Vote for me please" move? Now you are going to debate.Homu homu will lead you to happiness so vote for homu homu
Right now you're seeing homura in her natural habitat, getting ready for her date after beating reinhard
Love makes you quirky
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Glad you liked it with my 10/10 shitty editing skills
As always my Photoshop only used to meme for MH
I been waiting for a while for your respond, but the people demand us to be activeOhhh you are pulling the shameless "Vote for me please" move? Now you are going to debate.
You need to get inside of it if i remember to influence it, it's the reasons madokami needed to be inRegular Homura wouldnt be able to use this labyrinth on an outside force, further more, i might get this completely wrong since its been a while after my last Rebellion watch, but someone like Kyubey could actually influence it from the outside, right? Freely correct me on that.
Im not questioning that Labyrinth is Homura's domain, what Im questioning is where did you get that Blessings would not work in it. Her labyrinth pre-akuma didn't seal other people's abilities, why now?Lambu, it's said in the movie that her labyrinth is isolated form the outside world, I'm not pulling this out of nowhere lambu, plus witch labyrinth are normally their own domain
And this is when only in her witch form, her akuma form surpassed all that
At the end her labyrinth sucked in all the universe
It's her domain now, od laguna can't interfere
Can she actively manipulate time in her domain? Or are you adressing her ability to oversee timelines?I never said she need to nerf od laguna, i said she can cut the connection between reinhard and od laguna aka his blessings, whats protecting reinhard form her mind manipulation is the blessing.
Meanwhile that also make homura able to make reinhard not use his sword, she does have time manipulation after all
They are using the wrong term, isolation doesn't cut the conexion with Od Laguna at no time because if it happened the person ceases to exist, it only weakens the link.About the blessing, all the sources I'm getting is that it gets striped not nerfed if they in an isolated area, so you're telling me now that YouTube+google and everything in them is bullshit while you're true? Are you sure you don't remember wrong ?
Od Laguna is an immobile God, it doesn't judge or has motives, its the reason for the entire Universe to exist. Monitors all its laws and all the souls within it, its Past and all the timelines going on at any moment. If it had a will it would theorically be able to resurrect anyone and create a body for them at any moment, since all concepts are gathered in it. It just follows an order set by itself tho, so no point debating it.Is od laguna even a higher than homura as a god, i mean it doesn't even have a consciousness
Meanwhile homura as a concept is aware of what's going on
Satella bound by Od Laguna? She brought Subaru from Japan against his will with body and everything, she exists in a dimension beyond Od Laguna's jurisdiction as Time doesn't pass there. A Citadel that Subaru visits everytime he dies, then she sends his soul back in time/to another timeline.Lambu, satella by what i mean she bound by od laguna i mean she may be powerful but she still in the world, if i had to compare satella it be homura human form as those are similar to that but not her akuma form
Homura isn't a witch she ascend witch form, kyubey even ask her what the heck she is considering she isn't witch
She became a concept
Sure I'm not sure about her limits lambu when it comes to manipulation the universe but I'm never once stated in my campaign anything related to that, I'm avoiding that hole, i already stated it's unknown if she can deleted reinhard
I asked you that and if she can administer those timelines, as in if she's capable of altering universes beyond her own timeline (the one she rules), and you said you dont know and that you assume she can't.I said she oversees the multi universe, you asked me if she able to exist in mutli timelines at once (or that's what how i understood it)
Her time rewind is definitely timeline jump btw, as seen in the tamura manga
And you answered this:Can't Homura basically rewind time every time it's not looking well against Reinhard, giving her infinite retries to figure out the best way to both prepare for the battle against him and to do things better/differently?
Contradicting yourself here.She certainly can, btw the reason homura can never win alone (And i mean alone, mutli other rewind she did beat Walpurgisnacht but she wasn't alone but she had to rewind cuz madoka fuck up sth, either died or... Died) against Walpurgisnacht is because she a direct counter to her guns that are technically fire, and walpurgisnacht is resistant to fire
What response, you didn't answer my post before leaving for a while.I been waiting for a while for your respond, but the people demand us to be active
Ofc i use that to my advantage while you gone, i waited enough
Homura labyrinth cuts influence form outside world, Reinhard gets his blessings form of laguna that is technically outsideIm not questioning that Labyrinth is Homura's domain, what Im questioning is where did you get that Blessings would not work in it. Her labyrinth pre-akuma didn't seal other people's abilities, why now?
And for the isolation of blessings I already said its not "Strip off" its weaken. He can still access his blessings but to a lesser degree as he could draw Reid in a domain of similar characteristics (he cannot draw it without the Sword Saint Blessing), he also had his avoidance hax active but nerfed (the blessing would only make him dodge stuff with the intent to hit instead of everything).
The thing is she the center of the labyrinth lambu, it follows her, it's her own powersCan she actively manipulate time in her domain? Or are you adressing her ability to oversee timelines?
Answer truthfully, as far as I know she's only stated to be capable of "stopping time".
Also are you assuming the battle begins inside her labyrinth and that she can put him inside it against his will? I already explained Space-Time manipulations like Yin Magic dont work on him, you cannot yeet him into another dimension by force.
For the hundred time, homura isn't a witch, it's like you're saying madokami is a magical girlHomura is a Witch that achieved the power to alter her own Universe to some degree.
Conceptual entity or not she is still a witch, one doesnt brush off the other, just like Od Laguna is technically a concept but it is still a Divine object.
She's a depressed entity unable to move on from the passing of her friend. She can oversee multiple timelines but cannot change the past nor challenge the powers of her own Universe that gave her that status in the first place, just like Madoka couldn't end the Magical Girl World even when achieving the same state.
Its pretty clear to me which one is stronger.
She's a depressed entity unable to move on from the passing of her friend.
Cuz they technically true but overhyped, I'm still appreciating the support so I'm gonna like itAlso yes, you are not affirming anything about Homura's limits but you are liking posts hyping her up to that degree, thats the same thing Ko, dont be sneaky now.
I mean, it still time rewind, what's stopping Reinhard form swinging his sword is his time stop, but if he does she can simply rebeat the samw battle and fight and other outcomeAlso cmon, if the time rewind is timeline jump then how is it an argument that she can prevent Rein from swinging his sword or replay the match infinite times?
Like seriously, Gry asked this:
And you answered this:
Contradicting yourself here.
Feels like you dont quite know the limits of your nomination, which is a given when she's almost completely featless btw.
????What response, you didn't answer my post before leaving for a while.
I meant this one here????
I did tho well before the thread died and people started asking what happen
This was my last response to you but you never adressed it.Basically, yes. Homura and Satella share many traits, specially the "beyond time" quality.
Blessings can be nerfed through isolation from Od Laguna (like Gates can be influenced through magic isolation circles, as shown in the Demihuman war) but they cannot be stripped off, as Reinhard still could use the Divine Protection of the Sword Saint inside one of these domains, he just couldn't use all his blessings freely.
Besides he can destroy Homura's "bubble" thanks to Reid and come out at any time. Rein's kit is designed to fight Witches like her.
Rein's only issue is that, even if insanely powerful, he's still a proxy of Od Laguna.
Since he moves inside its boundaries and cannot cross through timelines, if Homura escapes through that route he cannot follow her, tho then there would be another Rein waiting for her in the other world...
It makes no sense that characters can use their powers according to their Universe's design inside her Labyrinth but Madoka or Rein can't. I can understand that it lowers its effectiveness but not cut, nothing but Homura would be able to do anything inside it if that was the case.Homura labyrinth cuts influence form outside world, Reinhard gets his blessings form of laguna that is technically outside
The character in the series are using their own powers, but technically madoka did lose her god powers inside homura labyrinth considering it isolated form outside and madoka powers are related to the law of cylce
What i want is evidence lambu not talk, considering what I'm getting is contradicting what you're saying for the fact it's weakened not stripped, people using stripped as wording for a reason...
There you go again. Does she rewind time or not? You just said this:The thing is she the center of the labyrinth lambu, it follows her, it's her own powers
Her ability is literally time manipulation lambu, she able to stop it and rewind time
I'm not talking about her oversee timeline, i literally see no use of that ability in a battle so why are we mentioning it so many times
? You have to be clearer about what she can and cannot do please.Her time rewind is definitely timeline jump btw, as seen in the tamura manga
Im comparing her to the Witch concept, as those characters that trascend and play with rules of the Universe. She isn't an omnipotent entity like an actual God of Universal scale, she can play with the rules but is still bound by them, thats why I say she's a Witch and not a God.For the hundred time, homura isn't a witch, it's like you're saying madokami is a magical girl
You just said od laguna have no motive
I'm not Fighting od laguna, I'm fighting Reinhard, and the fact she can cut the connection that protecting reinhard form od laguna
Homura also technically immoral btw
He's a busy man, he also swore allegiance to Felt so she's his top priority since the Royal Selection started. It wasn't meant to be a prickly remark btw... ouch.What i know is at least homura there for the people she cares about, way better than reinhard that likes to disappear when he needed ...
How are they true if what you explain doesn't add up with those notions?Cuz they technically true but overhyped, I'm still appreciating the support so I'm gonna like it
What matters is my posts and i did correct it
Timeline jump is not Time rewind. One sends you into a parallel world to create a divergence and move on from then. Time rewind is literally going back on events passed without leaving that world, a much stronger version that makes the user capable of editing anything to fit their wishes.I mean, it still time rewind, what's stopping Reinhard form swinging his sword is his time stop, but if he does she can simply rebeat the samw battle and fight and other outcome
Know that the homura with walpurgisnacht was the homura way way before she got any upgrade, she disnt even have the bow at the time
The same bow that did one shot walpurgisnacht ,she got it later on
I'm well aware of homura limits, all i been stating is thing that did happen, i never involved the things I don't exactly know the limits of it aka her law rewrote
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This is also not true btw, you claimed she can seal the power of Reid Sword and you cannot explain why.I'm well aware of homura limits, all i been stating is thing that did happen, i never involved the things I don't exactly know the limits of it aka her law rewrote
This is basically what if Reinhard fights her inside Homura's own Universe, yes.The one weak point i see here, is that her universe/labyrinth cant influence anything thats outside. That would mean that she still cant do anything about Od Laguna. This brings up the question, can she influence Reinhard inside her universe, while Rein is connected to Od Laguna like a proxy and Od Laguna cant be influenced by her universe since it is outside it?
I'm very well aware that blessing comes with the sword but I'm talking about his other blessing that protects him from homura mind control, the one that make him so he resist debuff and cursesBlessings can be nerfed through isolation from Od Laguna (like Gates can be influenced through magic isolation circles, as shown in the Demihuman war) but they cannot be stripped off, as Reinhard still could use the Divine Protection of the Sword Saint inside one of these domains, he just couldn't use all his blessings freely.
It's cause both of them needs other things outside but homura cut interference form the outside.It makes no sense that characters can use their powers according to their Universe's design inside her Labyrinth but Madoka or Rein can't. I can understand that it lowers its effectiveness but not cut, nothing but Homura would be able to do anything inside it if that was the case.
Anyway, what Im saying is not talk, Im telling you Reinhard could use Reid Sword inside a domain isolated from Od Laguna, which should be impossible if he doesn't have the Divine Protection of the Sword Saint, he also had access to weakened versions of his blessings. This happened in Oboreru IF story.
Yesss, i thought you could get it considering Subaru is literally basically the same expect for her she can do it when she wants without dyingThere you go again. Does she rewind time or not?
Sill a god, there difference between gods between series you knowIm comparing her to the Witch concept, as those characters that trascend and play with rules of the Universe. She isn't an omnipotent entity like an actual God of Universal scale, she can play with the rules but is still bound by them, thats why I say she's a Witch and not a God.
Cuz it have limitation but there exist a part of the truthHow are they true if what you explain doesn't add up with those notions?
It's similar to Subaru.Timeline jump is not Time rewind. One sends you into a parallel world to create a divergence and move on from then. Time rewind is literally going back on events passed without leaving that world, a much stronger version that makes the user capable of editing anything to fit their wishes.
Like, if Homura rewinded then I would agree that Rein is toast, cause she could just turn back the moment he attacks and move accordingly to each one of his actions, virtually undefeatable.
But she jumps through timelines, each world is unknown to her even if she has knowledge of the previous one. In each one she would have to face a different Reinhard that would fight differently depending on what she tries.
Once again as i said, she sucked in the universe and made it part of the labyrinthThis also brings me to the point Val mentioned. If her Labyrinth is in her own Universe then what are the bounds of the fight? Does Rein start the fight inside her Labyrinth or is he brought against his will into it?
If he destroys her Labyrinth and goes back outside does she just use it again? We dont know nothing about her limits in the battle department, its all over the place
I mean homura did cut madokami powers in half, sealed the god part awayThis is also not true btw, you claimed she can seal the power of Reid Sword and you cannot explain why
Yea they definitely in their full potential but that also mean both are vulnerable to anything that could debuff them, in this case ReinhardThis is basically what if Reinhard fights her inside Homura's own Universe, yes.
In that scenario Reinhard's blessings are weakened but not cut, Homura has the advantage until he manages to break the bubble.
If she fights him inside Od Laguna's Universe then she cannot even use her Labyrinth without Od Laguna correcting it all the time, it would be a win for Reinhard.
What this is about finding a common ground in which both characters have access to their full potential, not just one of them.
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I think there few posts cause only me and lambu talking about our charactersWow, last day of the event and still only 3 pages.
No it doesn't The Divine Protection of the Sword Saint is gifted by Od Laguna as all the other blessings, with the only difference being that the blessing is inherited through the generations.I'm very well aware that blessing comes with the sword but I'm talking about his other blessing that protects him from homura mind control, the one that make him so he resist debuff and curses
Yesss, i thought you could get it considering Subaru is literally basically the same expect for her she can do it when she wants without dying
She can rewind time to repeat the fight how many times she wants
Its really not the same.It's similar to Subaru.
In madoka magica we technically have multiple worlds and multiple homura each rewinding time but they each doing their own things finding the correct path
It still part of their powers to rewind time and see the paths considering they do repeat
They other world thats totally different but that could include an other homura
Still weird
The reason she able to predict what's gonna happen in the series when she rewind time is basically because it repeat
Once again I'm gonna bring the comparison with subaru, we do have the if series that totally different timelines with different subarus but we still have our main series subaru
It's the same thing
And basically the timelines comes form homura Tamuru, never was stated in the main series
It's a side story, tho it's interesting gag story so i recommend to read it
(One of the repeating gags is homura old now xD)
Well Im telling you he can escape from it, which is why I questioned how many times can she use Labyrinth or how does it work once its broken.Once again as i said, she sucked in the universe and made it part of the labyrinth
If reinhard had a way to make homura not use her labyrinth and leave ot then yea he can win but he doesn't have sth like that
Didn't you just say she could seal a part of Madoka's powers because they depended on the Universe outside of Labyrinth?I mean homura did cut madokami powers in half, sealed the god part away
She already did it with someone divine, who can say she can't do it to the sword and make it normal
Piccolo or Kaio are also a "Gods" in DragonBall and they are a joke, I dont get the argument.Sill a god, there difference between gods between series you know
Just like madokami is the god of magical girls, she the same
A concept
Witches aren't a concept
Just to be sure tho, are we compare with re zero witches or madoka witches cuz they totally different, witches are different in madoka magica, they the despair form of magical girl
Name an instance in which Reinhard was defeated.We already seen in the series Reinhard being defeated many times because of one scenario or an other, even die in some
As seen in the if series, Reinhard can despair and homura is able to control despair
You're making it sound like reinhard is an almighty god, he a proxy yes but he still can be defeated, what protecting him are his blessings while the sword is his offensive
He no robot as much as he makes himself sound like one.
Did I miss something? I think Im adressing everything but could be wrong.This debate between Lambu and Asako is confusing, feels like their talking points are missing each other
No I mean there‘s some misunderstanding going on, for example regarding the time rewind, to the point I‘m now also confused whether she is rewinding it or changing timelines. Her og version is changing timelines I think but not sure about her „god“ version.Did I miss something? I think Im adressing everything but could be wrong.
I'll ask again. If Reinhard destroys her Labyrinth what happens? Can he destroy her? Does she spawn back like a mushroom? Does she make another Labyrinth or is her Soul Gem spent after some time?Lambu still didn't explain how Reinhard can beat homura
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Her time manipulation is timeline jumping, not rewinding. If Homura rewinded then saving Madoka and escaping from her stalemate would be easy as pie, she cannot do that.No I mean there‘s some misunderstanding going on, for example regarding the time rewind, to the point I‘m now also confused whether she is rewinding it or changing timelines. Her og version is changing timelines I think but not sure about her „god“ version.
Then the thing of the whole internet saying it isolates Rein from his blessings where you say it only weakens them, is another confusing part.
Its pretty much the only legit point btw.Also you possibly missed her latest post where she raises a valid point: even if Rein's mind control resist blessing is only weakened and not stripped off, how do you define "how much it still resists"? Imo you either resist mind control or not, no inbetweens. So if an opening is there for his mind to be rewritten then it can(and is likely to) happen, no?
Thats why Im asking what happens if Rein breaks the Labyrinth. I dont think that even Asako knows, its all too unknown.Either way the way I currently see it is if she can get him into the labyrinth, ie. inside the effectiveness of her powers, she wins. If not then Rein doesn't lose, but also cannot win? Can his sword even defeat her if he doesn't enter her labyrinth? Which is for me his loss condition, tying his win and loss conditions together.
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If she spams Labyrinth everytime its destroyed then yes, its a draw. Reinhard also has infinite stamina as he can fight Satella eternally according to the author.Jumping timelines sounds kike admitting defeat and trying again, but in that timeline you indeed lost. Not sure how madoka handles time trat, it's just this way in other series (to stay tournament relevant, dragon ball). Certainly not a rewind.
Afaik tho rein can't touch her at all tho? She just wins by attrition if that's the case.
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Why would she use the labyrinth if it only benefits Reinhardt, lol.