[Semifinals - Team 2 vs Team 12 Doubles 1] Shiraishi/Kirihara vs Tachibana/Chitose

[Kaoz]

Doubles 1	Shiraishi Kuranosuke Kirihara Akaya	Tachibana Kippei Chitose Senri
Title	Naniwa's Bible Devil of the Court	Wings of Kyuushu
School	Shitenhouji 3rd Year Rikkai Dai Fuzoku 2nd Year	Fudomine 3rd Year Shitenhouji 3rd Year
Height	178 cm 168 cm	179 cm 194 cm
Weight	66 kg 61 kg	67 kg 81 kg
Dominant Hand	Left Right	Right Left
Playstyle	All Rounder Aggressive Baseliner	All Rounder All Rounder
Techniques	Entaku Shot Knuckle Serve Devil Mode Sane Devil Mode	Abare Jishi Abare Dama Moujuu no Aura Kamikakushi Saiki Kanpatsu no Kiwami Moujuu no Synchro

Serve order: Shiraishi -> Chitose -> Kirihara -> Tachibana


This round ends on Friday, October 12th 8 PM GMT.

Cast your vote and discuss (logically) why you voted for who you voted for. Have fun, but keep it clean!​

 

[-Ken-]

Umm. This is a hard one. I think Shiraishi is more solid as a player than Tachibana or Chitose. But I don't think Kirihara is as strong of a player as those two.

However, score-wise, if the match would be repeat again, Shiraishi/Kirihara would have 6-0 their match while Tachibana/Chitose (which doesn't seem to have complete control yet)
would have lost 7-6. But their opponent have syncho.

I think I'll wait on this.

 

[ashore]

i agree wit ^. this is freakn tough, i'll have to think about his one.
on the one hand 1 team has synchro and been partners before, their teamwork is solid. they are also considered national level players in pot1. they also have saiki on their side.

synchro +saiki could be over powered. but we didnt see chitose use it in shuffle match.

 

[Ninomiya]

Saiki is Singles-Only*
Please can this be remembered. It is Singles-only until proven otherwise.

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Whats StyleB?

 

[Kaoz]

Whats StyleB?

Me forgetting to replace that part of my template. It's fixed now, sorry about that.

 

[Hardy]

OMG are you gonna name Saiki in every single WoK match? IT ONLY WORKS IN SINGLES.

If Kirihara/Shiraishi won against GP and don't win this one, then I'm out of this community lol.

 

[ashore]

didnt know. i was thinking of creative ways to fuse techniques.

 

[Fayte]

These teams are basically equal so it is hard to decide a winner. I feel like there is no reason for me choosing either of them.

 

[Ninomiya]

AM!Kirihara I expect to be really beast.
Shiraishi is the best here.
But Tachibana/Chitose are beasts. Both are definetely above Kirihara and imo just below Shiraishi.

In the event that WoK have actually mastered their Synchro, then WoK take this.

 

[-Ken-]

AM!Kirihara I expect to be really beast.
Shiraishi is the best here.
But Tachibana/Chitose are beasts. Both are definetely above Kirihara and imo just below Shiraishi.

In the event that WoK have actually mastered their Synchro, then WoK take this.

But they don't master it yet, and from what we've seen, some people clearly doesn't even give Ryoma the three door behind Muga. I think I'm actually going Shiraishi/Kirihara.

Here's my logic;

Shiraishi/Kirihara can beat 3rd court 6-0 now, same as 1st stringer 11-20.

WoK=3rd court max for now.

I feel like I'm repeating myself for every WoK match >.>

 

[Fuji Shusuke]

I see WoK winning this one. Can AM!Kirihara or Shiraishi return Abare Dama? I don't think so.

Here's a major consideration. WoK were chosen as Doubles 1 in the team shuffle and Shiraishi/Kirihara were chosen as Doubles 2. If WoK was chosen as D1, then it is implied that they must be better.

 

[-Ken-]

I see WoK winning this one. Can AM!Kirihara or Shiraishi return Abare Dama? I don't think so.

Here's a major consideration. WoK were chosen as Doubles 1 in the team shuffle and Shiraishi/Kirihara were chosen as Doubles 2. If WoK was chosen as D1, then it is implied that they must be better.

It is implied without the score. Tezuka is in singles 3 and Fuji in singles 2. Sanada is in singles 3 and Niou is in singles 2. So Niou/Fuji> Sanada/Tezuka? Nope.

Look at the score. Shiraishi and Kirihara can beat 3rd court if they play again 6-0 if they go golden gauntlet+ angel mode from the beginning. Tachibana/Chitose would have need beast syncho to LOST 6-7 to doubles 1. Yes, if they control it, they might have won. But judging from Echizen and other thread, this is a match of having things that they can control. Beast Syncho is NOT even guarantee that Tachibana/Chitose can use it on demand. And they would have lost 6-3 without beast syncho.

In the other word, God/Devil pair show that themselve "might" be able to fight with 1st stringer pair while Tachibana/Chitose, based on only what we've seen without any biased and assumption, show themselves to be 3rd court level pair. And it'll be that way until their next match.

 

[FrostyMouse]

I see WoK winning this one. Can AM!Kirihara or Shiraishi return Abare Dama? I don't think so.

Here's a major consideration. WoK were chosen as Doubles 1 in the team shuffle and Shiraishi/Kirihara were chosen as Doubles 2. If WoK was chosen as D1, then it is implied that they must be better.

They should both be able to return Abare Dama.

Where you lined up in a match doesn't mean anything. Your better players normally play in higher spots, but not always.

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I think Shiraishi/Akaya is a bit better than WoK, but WoK has Synchro, so I think WoK edges out a win 7-5.

 

[Ninomiya]

I think Shiraishi/Akaya is a bit better than WoK, but WoK has Synchro, so I think WoK edges out a win 7-5.

I think Synchro's boost will provide more than just an edge. If they have it down confidently like GP have Synchro.

Taking in the fact their's is called Wild Synchro. I'm guessing its a bit better than Standard Synchro.
I'm going 6-4 or even 6-3. The gap between WoK and Shiraishi in Singles isn't too big.

 

[Hardy]

I think Synchro's boost will provide more than just an edge. If they have it down confidently like GP have Synchro.

Taking in the fact their's is called Wild Synchro. I'm guessing its a bit better than Standard Synchro.
I'm going 6-4 or even 6-3. The gap between WoK and Shiraishi in Singles isn't too big.

So you think that Wild Aura is better than Muga (which is probably the most normal Aura in PoT)?

 

[TheShiraishi]

It is implied without the score. Tezuka is in singles 3 and Fuji in singles 2. Sanada is in singles 3 and Niou is in singles 2. So Niou/Fuji> Sanada/Tezuka? Nope.

Konomi was sort of forced to switch them around. He makes it 2 Losses 2 Wins to build up suspense to the Singles 1 match. Fuji wasn't allowed to lose again because his Semi match against Shiraishi pushed him to new heights (CE, Hoshi Hanabi) The Golden Pair also cannot lose because this is the match they've been working towards since they formed- the match that makes them the #1 Doubles Pair in Japan. (If you dont get where I'm going, that means they play Singles 2 and Doubles 1) Obvious Echizen match is obvious- Singles 1.

Where does that leave Tezuka? Singles 3. Honestly, I think Tezuka VS Sanada right from the start was exciting and a great way to set the stage for the Finals.

Getting back on topic, Shiraishi/Akaya pair had an easier opponent than WoK. I don't think Shiraishi/Akaya would have had gotten a close score like 7-6. So the argument of Shiraishi/Akaya being better than WoK based on their 3rd court match is (in my opinion) stupid.

 

[LetalHawk]

Well, Shiraishi and AM!Kirihara would return Abare Dama eventually. Shiraishi has enough power to return the shot, no doubt about AM!Kirihara. Chitose without Saiki only has Kamikakushi which should be returned easily by Shiraishi and Kirihara. Wild beast Synchro might give them the upper hand but Shiraishi/Kirihara might go Synchro. Also, Shiraishi>Tachibana but in singles, Shiraishi<Chitose and AM!Akaya>Tachibana but not sure about Chitose.

This match is a tough one to decide, altough each team has enough chances and weapons to win. It all depends if Shiraishi and Kirihara get used to Mojuu No Synchro and start a counterattack , and end up winning in the end.

Also, Tachibana was defeated by REM!l Kirihara but didn't have Wild Aura. Kirihara dramatically improved since that time and with AM! shouldn't have any problems against Tachibana. On the other hand, the same with Chitose, since he can't use Muga, AM!Kirihara is above him. If it was singles, Chitose wins for sure, against both Shiraishi and Kirihara, Chitose is the strongest of them all in singles.

 

[Ninomiya]

So you think that Wild Aura is better than Muga (which is probably the most normal Aura in PoT)?

I don't see how I implied this.
I don't think that. But yeah, I didn't mention this at all lol.

 

[-Ken-]

Konomi was sort of forced to switch them around. He makes it 2 Losses 2 Wins to build up suspense to the Singles 1 match. Fuji wasn't allowed to lose again because his Semi match against Shiraishi pushed him to new heights (CE, Hoshi Hanabi) The Golden Pair also cannot lose because this is the match they've been working towards since they formed- the match that makes them the #1 Doubles Pair in Japan. (If you dont get where I'm going, that means they play Singles 2 and Doubles 1) Obvious Echizen match is obvious- Singles 1.

Where does that leave Tezuka? Singles 3. Honestly, I think Tezuka VS Sanada right from the start was exciting and a great way to set the stage for the Finals.

Getting back on topic, Shiraishi/Akaya pair had an easier opponent than WoK. I don't think Shiraishi/Akaya would have had gotten a close score like 7-6. So the argument of Shiraishi/Akaya being better than WoK based on their 3rd court match is (in my opinion) stupid.

Is it stupid? I don't think so. It looks like Doubles 2 score would have been 6-0 for court 3 if Shiraishi/Kirihara didn't get their upgrade. And I'm pretty sure people's comment (Shiraishi >Tachibana/Chitose> Kirihara) is based on PoT1. In the other word, WoK would have also get 6-0 by 3rd court doubles 2 without wild beast syncho.

It's like saying Atobe>Tezuka because of their position in that match. It doesn't make sense to me.

To me, their opponents in doubles 1 IS indeed stronger than doubles 2, but ONLY with syncho.

Here's how it look to me

3rd court 6-0 Kirihara/Shiraishi without upgrade
Kirihara/Shiraishi 6-0 3rd court with upgrade

3rd court 7/6 or 6/7 WoK without beast syncho or syncho
3rd court 6-0 WoK with syncho
3rd court 7-6 WoK with syncho and beast syncho

Look at first two line. I'll put evidence too, since I don't want to reply with evidence later.

3rd court 6-0 Kirihara/Shiraishi without upgrade
(http://www.mangahere.com/manga/new_prince_of_tennis/v03/c032/4.html)
3rd court 7/6 or 6/7 WoK without beast syncho or syncho
(http://www.mangahere.com/manga/new_prince_of_tennis/v04/c038/3.html)

That implies that doubles 2>>>>doubles 1 without syncho. I don't doubt that doubles 1 is stronger than doubles 2 with syncho. But even then, I'm not too sure about the gap.

 

[Ninomiya]

In the other word, WoK would have also get 6-0 by 3rd court doubles 2 without wild beast syncho.

Extreme exaggeration. Shiraishi/Akaya are a new pair, since WoK are specialists it wouldn't have been one sided. In fact, WoK would have won.
Since with Wild Beast Synchro, it could have only lasted a few points, going by the last time we saw natural synchro activated for the first time.
To support this theory, when we see WoK lose, the two of them are not in Synchro.
And apparently it appeared right at the end. (Synchro appears in pinces, and GP's synchro appeared at the end too).


It's like saying Atobe>Tezuka because of their position in that match. It doesn't make sense to me.

3rd court 7/6 or 6/7 WoK without beast syncho or syncho
3rd court 6-0 WoK with syncho
3rd court 7-6 WoK with syncho and beast syncho

WoK couldn't have used SYnchro for long so how can you make such a theory. It appeared at the end, and we never even saw it.