Decided to continue this from the Chapter 273 discussion, as it got lively.
Yeah that's why he's the sixth most popular character in the franchise because nobody cares about him and think he's boring. I mean you're pretty much fighting a losing battle by saying stupid shit like that, best say you just don't like the character rather than he's poorly written.
First part is fine, if ppl vote for him then they care about him and don't find him boring, but there are a lot of books/movies/music/other media that are popular and critics think are without much substance, so popularity doesn't mean much w/r/t how well he's written. I also didn't realize there was a hands hive lmao
No they don't, the fact that they're even implying that he's poorly developed is laughable given we had an entire arc focused on him that went over why he thinks the way he does.
you can spend 100 chapters explaining someone, it doesn't mean they're developed lol it just means you wrote about them
There's literally nothing wrong with villains with one track minds you'll seldom ever find a villain who isn't one track minded hell two of the most celebrated villains in Jump (DIO, Kira) were one track minded
personally i agree with the first point (idk about seldom finding villains who aren't one track-minded though), i already noted zork (as bakura) and dark malik are one track-minded and i find them very enjoyable...DIO and Kira are two more examples, but again, both were just infinitely more interesting (DIO's charisma and flamboyance, Kira's determination to be nondescript while doing the things he does) than hands. Kira doesn't even have an underlying motivation, he literally is just like 'i like women's hands so i'm going to kill them and take their hands,' but he's well-written (you understand him completely) and again, interesting. He has quirks (no pun intended) and idiosyncrasies that make him interesting. I don't really know what makes hands unique from any other generic villain who wants to destroy the world. The CLOSEST thing he has to me is that he really does seem to care for the ppl who've decided to follow him (at least the initial league of villains)
and one of the most well received villains in Jump (Toguro) had no motivation at all so why does Shigaraki get so much shit for his one track motivation?
never read that (yu yu hakusho?) so idk what he's like, but for me in particular, it's not his one track motivation that makes him boring, he's just generic
Really it just goes to show that people who still complaining were upset that he didn't follow their expectations which just goes for most criticisms of the series in general.
again, for me, i couldn't care less what he does, it's just that he's boring doing whatever he does. it's interesting to me bc while horikoshi is actually pretty good at making interesting characters (all might is incredibly interesting to me), at the same time he's seemingly made plenty of characters straight out of a generic template, which i guess is why i don't find them interesting
Shiggy and Deku both are unwillingly successors of the main evil and good powers of the series. They are still in their shadows. The death of both AFO and AM might help them grow as antagonist and protagonist.
this is a good point (even though both seemed pretty willing successors), they're still growing, but the annoying thing is he's so far ahead of where deku is that it doesn't feel like they're growing in tandem. deku isn't even the best hero in his class yet (as far as we know) and hands is literally the leader of evil lol
At least now, after this power-up, I feel more confident that Shigaraki will grow as a villain, not only due to power, but he looks less "introvert" now. Found his own voice. He is now without the hands holding him down, he is more clear minded, speaks freely. Now he battles the top heroes, he's no constrained by expected orders for AFO. He leads (or seems to be). Let's see if AFO will Madara him later, but I wouldn't like it.
I hope you're seeing the future here and that he grows as a villain...as far as constraint from AFO, I never really felt that, seemed like he let hands do whatever he wanted and gave him backing and support for whenever he inevitably failed. May be better to say he can grow without AFO as a crutch rather than a constraint
I feel like people may take my hero literally, and by that I mean this is a man vs world story. Shigaraki is less a character and more a force of nature. He’s a commentary on what happens when a society creates the monsters there trying to prevent. Because of the culture around heroes, and all mights symbol of peace it created the perfect conditions to produce Shigaraki because of how flawed the system was. Shigarkai is a commentary on what we all could’ve been if we didn’t have a kid to wrap a cape around us, and there’s so much symbolism, and parallels. Do you think shigarkai just so happened to take X-less cape; it served to mirror dekus efforts when he wrapped his cape around eri. By shigarkai disintegrating x less down to just his cape It serves to show the shigarkai is tearing down that false sense of protection heroes provided, and now he’s taking the society that abandoned him by force. Now they can’t ignore him.
I like this point, even though it just makes him a less interesting Garou to me...and Garou is a character in what is essentially a gag manga.
idk, maybe if his ability was something better than destruction, then his fights would be more interesting and i could get more into him...it's like he hit the trifecta for me to just not care about him at all. uncharismatic, fights are boring, and his design doesn't speak to me at all. i will say this though, i don't pay attention to any of the character polls, so i am flabbergasted that he's the 6th most popular character lol (although looking into it, it looks like that's in japan...in america he hasn't cracked the top 10, so maybe it's just a cultural thing idk)
also, again, this is all subjective lol no need to get amped bc someone disagrees with you
