Round of 16 Sting vs. Suzaku

[Jko]

DS magic is not as much of kryptonite to dragons as it is compared to superman. Dragons can still win against DS users. DS still had trouble beating GMG dragons while kryptonite makes even random fodder beat superman. DS magic is just a human wielding the power of a dragon. It gives them an edge as much as it would give to another dragon.

Uh Superman has beaten many foes who use kryptonite against him. It is not an automatic win against him either. DS magic is very much the kryptonite of Dragons due to it bypassing their scales which is what makes them immune to direct magical and physical attacks from humans. This was stated countless times in the main series. So it gives them the edge over human mages, which is my point.

I do not care about Erza in this scenario. It is about Wendy. Wendy could not hurt DiMaria at all, and Irene >>>>>>> DiMaria yet Wendy was able to hurt her due to DS magic. Without DS magic Wendy would have been has helpless against Irene as she was against DiMaria. Without DS magic there is no way to directly harm a dragon. Once Irene goes out of her husk of a transformation, Erza even while at her strongest form to date, could not even nick Irene's scales without DS magic. Only hax can get passed Dragon scales, but hax does not directly hurt a Dragon.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Superman has beaten many foes who use kryptonite against him. It is not an automatic win either. DS magic is very much the kryptonite of Dragons due to it bypassing their scales which is what makes them immune to direct magical and physical attacks from humans.

Magical immunity is not explained anywhere. DS magic gives the human quality of a dragon.

I do not care about Erza in this scenario. It is about Wendy. Wendy could not hurt DiMaria at all, and Irene >>>>>>> DiMaria yet Wendy was able to hurt her due to DS magic.

If Erza was able to hurt Irene's human form without DS magic then nothing suggests that Wendy did it because of her DS magic. She only attacked Dimiria with a physical kick and against Irene Wendy uses an actual spell.

Without DS magic there is no way to directly harm a dragon.

Actually, there is, shown many times how someone can affect a dragon without DS magic.

Once Irene goes out of her husk of a transformation, Erza even while at her strongest form to date, could not even nick Irene's scales without DS magic.

Because irene's dragon scales are harder than the meteor. That's like saying superman can't hurt Irene without DS magic.

 

[Jko]

Magical immunity is not explained anywhere. DS magic gives the human quality of a dragon.



If Erza was able to hurt Irene's human form without DS magic then nothing suggests that Wendy did it because of her DS magic. She only attacked Dimiria with a physical kick and against Irene Wendy uses an actual spell.



Actually, there is, shown many times how someone can affect a dragon without DS magic.



Because irene's dragon scales are harder than the meteor. That's like saying superman can't hurt Irene without DS magic.

Dude it is legit stated that humans cannot harm Dragons with magic or physical ability without DS magic. This is literally the reason the magic was created in the first place.

Yeah, there is bcs once again Erza does not matter in this argument. She is far stronger than Wendy and all she did was similar amount of damage on Irene that Wendy did and Erza was enhanced by Wendy as well. Secondly, Irene is far stronger than DiMaria, yet Wendy could not scratch Dimaria's dura. Wendy was able to hurt Irene who is far stronger than DiMaria and this was due to DS magic. Erza while enhanced is more than strong enough to hurt DiMaria so her being able to hurt Irene makes sense. The same cannot be said for Wendy.

No, DF Wendy used a spell against DiMaria and did absolutely no damage while Dim was in God Soul. God Soul is not stronger than Irene in stats.

Effect not directly harm a dragon. They can't just bust through their spells with a magic or physical attack, they go around it with indirect attacks aka hax.

Bcs Erza could not nick a dragon's scales without ds magic, this was already stated by Erza herself later on in the manga. Superman is not even from FT is he? I don't remember Superman in this manga? Scans? Don't bring up out of verse characters to argue in verse mechanics. Those mechanics do not apply bcs those characters do not live within the verse. Thus NLF can be argued. This a canon fact that humans cannot directly hurt a Dragon with magic or physicals bcs of their scales.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Dude it is legit stated that humans cannot harm Dragons with magic or physical ability without DS magic. This is literally the reason the magic was created in the first place.

Where? Do you mean Belserion talking to Irene? They can't be harmed because their scales are too tough to take damage magical or physical.

Yeah, there is bcs once again Erza does not matter in this argument. She is far stronger than Wendy and all she did was similar amount of damage on Irene that Wendy did and Erza was enhanced by Wendy as well. Secondly, Irene is far stronger than DiMaria, yet Wendy could not scratch Dimaria's dura. Wendy was able to hurt Irene who is far stronger than DiMaria and this was due to DS magic. Erza while enhanced is more than strong enough to hurt DiMaria so her being able to hurt Irene makes sense. The same cannot be said for Wendy.

Actually, she does if Erza can hurt Irene that form. Then DS magic was not in play. Wendy's attacks were strong enough to hurt Irene that's all. I don't care about Irene being far stronger than Dimaria. Just because you are stronger doesn't mean they have high durability. Irene and August are strongest for their magical prowess, not for physical attacks nor dura.

Effect not directly harm a dragon. They can't just bust through their spells with a magic or physical attack, they go around it with indirect attacks aka hax.

Zeref attacks are not indirect, death curse

Bcs Erza could not nick a dragon's scales without ds magic, this was already stated by Erza herself later on in the manga. Superman is not even from FT is he? I don't remember Superman in this manga? Scans? Don't bring up out of verse characters to argue in verse mechanics. Those mechanics do not apply bcs those characters do not live within the verse. Thus NLF can be argued. This a canon fact that humans cannot directly hurt a Dragon with magic or physicals bcs of their scales.

Nothing suggests these scales have magic immunity. They are just too tough.

 

[Brandish μ]

Suzaku is far too strong here.

When Suzaku comes back down to Earthland, and he will , he'll still beat Sting, with change.

 

[Jko]

Where? Do you mean Belserion talking to Irene? They can't be harmed because their scales are too tough to take damage magical or physical.



Actually, she does if Erza can hurt Irene that form. Then DS magic was not in play. Wendy's attacks were strong enough to hurt Irene that's all. I don't care about Irene being far stronger than Dimaria. Just because you are stronger doesn't mean they have high durability. Irene and August are strongest for their magical prowess, not for physical attacks nor dura.



Zeref attacks are not indirect, death curse



Nothing suggests these scales have magic immunity. They are just too tough.

Bcs no mage is capable in the verse to do so ergo the reason DS magic was created bcs Dragons were immune otherwise.

She doesn't since Erza is not Wendy level. Saying DS magic doesn't still play apart in human form when it does against every other Dragon in human form is hilarious. She can hurt Irene bcs of it and Erza can hurt human Irene simply bcs she is strong enough to do so. Wendy did as much damage against Irene as Erza did at that. Irene and August are the strongest period. None of it was stated bcs of magical power, but simply bcs they are that strong. They also were shown to be above the others in stats by actual feats as well. Believing DiMaria's God Soul is above the top 2 in stats is hilarious and thinking Irene will be hurt by Wendy tier without DS magic when she brushed off Erza level attacks is even more funny.

Zeref's curse is an indirect attack bcs it is attacking their life force itself not their bodies.

Except there is no human strong enough to hurt a Dragon and that makes them immune to FT wizards direct magical attacks which is the reason no one but Dragon Slayers can penetrate their scales directly.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Zeref's curse is an indirect attack bcs it is attacking their life force itself not their bodies.

Zzeref attack was stopped by Natsu scarf. His spell has to get through the exterior to kill oppoenents. Doesn't bypass their scales.

Bcs no mage is capable in the verse to do so ergo the reason DS magic was created bcs Dragons were immune otherwise.

Dragons are not immune to magic this was never shown. Only reason for this they have very tough scales.

Except there is no human strong enough to hurt a Dragon and that makes them immune to FT wizards direct magical attacks which is the reason no one but Dragon Slayers can penetrate their scales directly.

No one in FT is immune to magic, not even Acnologia. Humans can't penetrate their tough scales, not because of magic immunity.

She doesn't since Erza is not Wendy level. Saying DS magic doesn't still play apart in human form when it does against every other Dragon in human form is hilarious.

Because Erza was able to damage human Irene without DS magic then why should Wendy should DS magic come into play suddenly. Only dragon Gods have taken human forms so far we don't know how their technique work. Irene and Acnologia are also different from real dragons.

Wendy did as much damage against Irene as Erza did at that.

No, she made few scratches but Erza slashed her. Even if she did that means DF wendy that attacks matched Erza's oneshottable trash armors.

None of it was stated bcs of magical power, but simply bcs they are that strong. They also were shown to be above the others in stats by actual feats as well.

Their physical prowess is not the reason that they are strongest but magical process. Neinhart has trash dura for one with Spiriggan level MP.

Believing DiMaria's God Soul is above the top 2 in stats is hilarious and thinking Irene will be hurt by Wendy tier without DS magic is even more funny.

Wendy didn't even attack God Soul Dimaria.

 

[Vex_Haid]

Ah yes because Sting is totally light speed right? Guess he's faster than Acnologia too.

nah acnologias faster then him and his magic.

but stings magic is lightspeed, sure alot of people can dodge it but suzakus not one of them, he only blitzed a weakened natsu and failed to blitz a weakened erza, only blitzed selene due to DS magic and thats the same as erza one shotting/blitzing dragon irene. white shadow dragon mode sting slaps suzaku

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Sting cannot transform into light. Future Rouge is the only character in the series who has shown the ability to do so.

First of all, he gets one shot before he even transforms into a shodow. But even if he somehow manages to transform into a shadow before Suzaku one shots, this isn't a battle royal. He eventually has to come out to deal damage, at which point Suzaku one shots him

Yeah suzakus totally gonna blitz him before he transforms into a dragon not like he failed to blitz a weakened erza and only blitzed selene due to DS magic (same as erza blitzing dragon irene due to DS magic)

White-Shadow dragon mode sting one shots

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Suzaku stomps everyone in this tournament tbh. Sting is but a sacrifice on the altar of the Dragon Eater's greatness.

he doesn't

he failed to blitz a weakened erza, dunno why people think he clears this tournament

his feat against selene is honestly trash its no different from erza one shotting dragon irene

 

[Orphan Prince]

but stings magic is lightspeed, sure alot of people can dodge it but suzakus not one of them, he only blitzed a weakened natsu and failed to blitz a weakened erza, only blitzed selene due to DS magic and thats the same as erza one shotting/blitzing dragon irene. white shadow dragon mode sting slaps suzaku

Okay, Sting's magic is light based magic, yes. But, that doesn't automatically make him as fast or faster than light, he could barely go into his shadow, how do you expect him to do something as advanced and complex as turning into light? And, how does one blitz someone just because they're a Dragon Slayer? I am completely unaware that Dragon Slayer magic suddenly makes you faster when you're fighting a Dragon. Can someone give me a scan of this phenomenon?

Yeah suzakus totally gonna blitz him before he transforms into a dragon not like he failed to blitz a weakened erza and only blitzed selene due to DS magic (same as erza blitzing dragon irene due to DS magic)

Blitz Sting before he turns into a Dragon? He's not a Slayer turned Dragon and never will be. And, Erza didn't blitz Irene because of Dragon Slayer Magic, Erza blitz'd Irene because the plot required Irene to be stupid and take the hit, she could have easily moved, but instead stayed stationary, that's CIS, that has nothing to do with Erza's speed. Irene could have easily smacked Erza out of the sky, she had more than enough time to do so.

he failed to blitz a weakened erza, dunno why people think he clears this tournament

Even if he didn't blitz Erza, he cut through her sword and her with ease, that alone warrants heavy praise for his power.

Spoiler: Suzaku overwhelming Erza

 

[GL_Nova]

What Sting do?

 

[Axiomus]

he doesn't

he failed to blitz a weakened erza, dunno why people think he clears this tournament

his feat against selene is honestly trash its no different from erza one shotting dragon irene

He stomped Erza in less than 5 seconds, and beating Selene is leagues more impressive than beating Irene.

 

[Sevently]

suzaku stomps

 

[GL_Nova]

Magical immunity is not explained anywhere. DS magic gives the human quality of a dragon.



If Erza was able to hurt Irene's human form without DS magic then nothing suggests that Wendy did it because of her DS magic. She only attacked Dimiria with a physical kick and against Irene Wendy uses an actual spell.



Actually, there is, shown many times how someone can affect a dragon without DS magic.



Because irene's dragon scales are harder than the meteor. That's like saying superman can't hurt Irene without DS magic.

Please provide instances and references for when this happens. I keep seeing people make this argument, and I cannot for the life of me understand why.

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Where? Do you mean Belserion talking to Irene? They can't be harmed because their scales are too tough to take damage magical or physical.



Actually, she does if Erza can hurt Irene that form. Then DS magic was not in play. Wendy's attacks were strong enough to hurt Irene that's all. I don't care about Irene being far stronger than Dimaria. Just because you are stronger doesn't mean they have high durability. Irene and August are strongest for their magical prowess, not for physical attacks nor dura.



Zeref attacks are not indirect, death curse



Nothing suggests these scales have magic immunity. They are just too tough.

This too.

 

[Static]

nah acnologias faster then him and his magic.

but stings magic is lightspeed, sure alot of people can dodge it but suzakus not one of them, he only blitzed a weakened natsu and failed to blitz a weakened erza, only blitzed selene due to DS magic and thats the same as erza one shotting/blitzing dragon irene. white shadow dragon mode sting slaps suzaku

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Yeah suzakus totally gonna blitz him before he transforms into a dragon not like he failed to blitz a weakened erza and only blitzed selene due to DS magic (same as erza blitzing dragon irene due to DS magic)

White-Shadow dragon mode sting one shots

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he doesn't

he failed to blitz a weakened erza, dunno why people think he clears this tournament

his feat against selene is honestly trash its no different from erza one shotting dragon irene

So since Sting is light speed, and Acnologia is faster than light, that makes Christina also faster than light since Acnologia couldn't catch up to it right? You see the problem here?

Why are you automatically assuming just because his magic is light based meaning his attacks are at light speed too? You do realize that a lot of authors, especially someone like Mashima, don't care about or even give a thought to the mechanics or physics of what they write, right?

 

[Axiomus]

Sting isn't lightspeed. He can't transform into light. Even if Sting was lightspeed, it doesn't matter. Suzaku doesn't need to block. Suzaku can just sit there and tank shots from Sting until Sting completely runs out of MP.

 

[Seven777]

Wendy hit Eileen with a named technique, while on the other hand she hit Dimaria with a nameless punch. Wendy doing damage to human Eileen is fine.

 

[GL_Nova]

So since Sting is light speed, and Acnologia is faster than light, that makes Christina also faster than light since Acnologia couldn't catch up to it right? You see the problem here?

Why are you automatically assuming just because his magic is light based meaning his attacks are at light speed too? You do realize that a lot of authors, especially someone like Mashima, don't care about or even give a thought to the mechanics or physics of what they write, right?

His magic is natural just like everyone else. Making his attacks LS as their natural light. Now don’t try and use the fact people didn’t differentiate combat speed from travel speed.

 

[Static]

His magic is natural just like everyone else. Making his attacks LS as their natural light. Now don’t try and use the fact people didn’t differentiate combat speed from travel speed.

No, they're not. They're attacks composed of ethernano, which is what forms magic, not actual light. Natsu dodged Sting and Rouge's attacks back in their fight during the GMG arc. So, according to your logic, GMG-era Natsu must be faster than light since he dodged Sting's attacks.

And again, I want to reiterate, an author like Mashima doesn't care about the physics or mechanics of such things.

 

[grey matter]

No, they're not. They're attacks composed of ethernano, which is what forms magic, not actual light. Natsu dodged Sting and Rouge's attacks back in their fight during the GMG arc. So, according to your logic, GMG-era Natsu must be faster than light since he dodged Sting's attacks.

And again, I want to reiterate, an author like Mashima doesn't care about the physics or mechanics of such things.

Not really.
The magic is using ethernano and converting it into natural elements.
So, Natsu actually uses fire, instead of ethernano resembling fire. Ethernano involved merely enhances the properties of Natsu's fire, like energy density, heat etc

About Natsu dodging light, I need to re-read. But wasn't it Natsu dodging while aiming? It simply could imply Natsu dodged it before getting fired. But I need to check to make sure.
But that only translates to Sting's attack being light speed. Sting himself cannot transform into light, the only character who has demonstrated that ability was Future Rouge.

About Mashima not caring about physics, that's true as well. Which is why I generally avoid using calcs.

And lastly, even if Sting's attacks are truly light speed, it doesn't matter. Before he readies his attack, he gets one shot by Suzaku. Or maybe he land an attack or two, which Suzaku easily tanks, after which Suzaku one shots.

 

[Hexbend]

Look if Sting is light speed then that just makes every character above him faster than light....simple. This is fiction, stuff like this isn't complicated