Match Tachibana vs Tezuka

[KuwabaraTheMan]

True, it's not that he wasn't trying at all.

But the manga clearly showed that Tachibana was the stronger of the two.

 

[Atobe the king]

True, it's not that he wasn't trying at all.

But the manga clearly showed that Tachibana was the stronger of the two.

Yea...but i realized....he held back because Chitose still can't see perfectly on one side didn't he? does that mean neither were at their best?

Still 7-5 is pretty close..then again these characters break serve like nothing

 

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Even if Tachibana could beat Chitose (which I still doubt cause' I bias), that's still a LONG way from Tezuka...

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I think Tachibana would give Tezuka a lot more difficulty, though.

His wild and strong shots would put a lot more pressure on Hyakuren than Chitose, who was more of a technical specialist. The biggest issue he would face against Tezuka would be the Phantom.

 

[Atobe the king]

I think Tachibana would give Tezuka a lot more difficulty, though.

His wild and strong shots would put a lot more pressure on Hyakuren than Chitose, who was more of a technical specialist. The biggest issue he would face against Tezuka would be the Phantom.

I disagree, Tezuka ate Kabajis shots and Eishiro's big bangs...leads me to believe he could handle Tachibanas aggression

He's a perfect match up for Tezuka, Aggressive Baseliner VS Counterpuncher

I don't think he has the Sanada fire power it would take to break tezuka zone so far no one has beaten that thing but Sanada

Tachibana DID break all of Fuji's counters. That's why Fuji said it. Why? How? Simple.

But he didn't...he broke one

Because Fuji knew it would be useless against Tachibana. It wouldn't work twice. Also, If Kirihara returned Hakugei in Kantou, Why the heck would Fuji try it on Tachibana in an unofficial match?

Or maybe there was no wind...(seriously)

Fuji knew he was defeated, and up until his match with Shiraishi, He was the same Fuji throughout the Nationals, with an added counter. Big deal. His new counter helped him a lot with Shiraishi, that's why he was almost 6-0'd.

Throughout? he played one match prior and it was a doubles match..you can't use doubles matches to gauge a singles player

It's obvious Fuji wasn't going all out..he lacked motivation and Shiriashi wasn't an opponent that he good just breeze by with a smile like Mizuki, and Jirou. He was down triple match point and took 6 straight games in a row afterwords

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I disagree, Tezuka ate Kabajis shots and Eishiro's big bangs...leads me to believe he could handle Tachibanas aggression

He's a perfect match up for Tezuka, Aggressive Baseliner VS Counterpuncher

I don't think he has the Sanada fire power it would take to break tezuka zone so far no one has beaten that thing but Sanada

You bring up the Kabaji match. Remember, Tezuka was in danger of losing that match because he couldn't handle Kabaji's superior power once he copied Hyakuren. Yeah, he won, but I think Tachibana should be able to over power Hyakuren.

 

[Atobe the king]

You bring up the Kabaji match. Remember, Tezuka was in danger of losing that match because he couldn't handle Kabaji's superior power once he copied Hyakuren. Yeah, he won, but I think Tachibana should be able to over power Hyakuren.

I meant before Kabaji copied Hyakuren of course he was going to have problems

Okay...Kabaji is huge he's obviously a power player so if Tezuka could handle that raw power i think he can handle tachibana

that said for Kabaji

his raw power X 2 (from Tezuka) X2 from Kabaji's own Hyakuren

Meaning he was dealing with 4 times the spin and power of the original shot O_O

He may be able to overpower Hyakuren but only Sanada and Yukimura seem to have the tools to compete with the doors of Muga

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Yeah, Kabaji with Hyakuren was amplified to a crazy degree.

But Tachibana has skill in addition to that power. He could probably specifically target overwhelming Tezuka's Hyakuren, unlike Kabaji, who was just using raw power.

Personally, I think Tachibana is on the same level as those other guys. There's a reason he was feared as one of the strongest players in Japan.

 

[Atobe the king]

Yeah, Kabaji with Hyakuren was amplified to a crazy degree.

But Tachibana has skill in addition to that power. He could probably specifically target overwhelming Tezuka's Hyakuren, unlike Kabaji, who was just using raw power.

Personally, I think Tachibana is on the same level as those other guys. There's a reason he was feared as one of the strongest players in Japan.

It's true...when they mention the national level players, the list was Atobe, Tezuka, Sengoku and all of Rikkai

I see what you mean...but judging from what we've seen Tezuka would win the match, not a bagel or breadstick but he would edge out the victory

From what i've noticed there are two tachibanas...the conservative one..who lost to Kirihara and te Agressive one, who scrimmaged with Fuji and played Chitose

The agressive one has no patience, he screwed up with Tsubamae Gaeshi which Kirihara had managed to returned, and he got impatient at KamiKakushi and dumped it into the net

All of Tezukas opponents in the Nationals sans Chitose had dangerous fire power and he handled most of them thoroughly

 

[Fayte]

From what i've noticed there are two tachibanas...the conservative one..who lost to Kirihara and te Agressive one, who scrimmaged with Fuji and played Chitose

The agressive one has no patience, he screwed up with Tsubamae Gaeshi which Kirihara had managed to returned, and he got impatient at KamiKakushi and dumped it into the net

The agressive Tachibana who played Fuji is not the agressive Tachibana who owned Chitose's eyeball. Tachibana was worse than Kirihara back then, which is why everyone was afraid of him. Ever since then, he has never aimed a ball at the body, even in his agressive "Wild Lion" state.

Also, "Phantom" would not work on Tachibana, or any other player in my opinion. You see, without a shot as strong as Rai, Tezuka has to use about triple the force to bring the shot to go out. Which is impossible. Tezuka wouldn't be able to do that. Which is why I believe Phantom is only used against shots that are so powerful, you cannot return.

IE: Sanada's Rai, Gin's Hadoukyuus

I think Tachibana should have PHW. That would be crazy with his wild lion.

 

[Atobe the king]

Tachibana has his own Aura, and why did Nio get to use Phantom on Fuji then? who's anything but a power player

 

[Fayte]

Tachibana has his own Aura, and why did Nio get to use Phantom on Fuji then? who's anything but a ower player

That match was so stupid I completely forgot Niou did that.

 

[DavenSodan]

Somehow I believe that everything we saw at the NiouFuji match was from Fujis pov. Didnt re-read the chapters though. Niou was, for me, just a great actor who could, like really good hollywood actors, mimic every other person he wants to. Not just expression or playstyle but voice wise too. So the one and only time we wittnessed Niou using Phantom I believe that Fuji just thought that Niou could really pull it off and hit the ball out. Same with the Tezuka zone maybe. Fuji gets so irritated that he hits every ball to Niou becuase he moves the same way Tezuka does when using his Zone.

Uh, somehow, no matter how I want to understand it, it would be still a shitty match .

on topic: where has it been stated that Phantom is just good against unreturnable shots?

 

[Atobe the king]

No it wasn't that...multiple people saw the illusion, Yukimura,Sanada and Atobe come to mind
http://www.onemanga.com/Prince_of_Tennis/361/02/

Also i believe Inui commented on the phantom
http://www.onemanga.com/Prince_of_Tennis/361/03/

 

[Fayte]

Niou doesn't really copy the techniques, it is just an illusion. Niou makes Fuji think he is playing against Tezuka.

"You couldn't even hold a candle to the real Tezuka" - Fuji

Remember, Niou couldn't hit a zero-shiki serve.

where has it been stated that Phantom is just good against unreturnable shots?

It is my theory. Not "unreturnable" shots, just powerful shots with a lot of spin. Using the logic of the PoT world, Tezuka shouldn't be able to use Phantom against a flat shot with hardly any power.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Niou clearly does copy techniques, he just isn't quite as good as the original. Remember when the real Yagyuu hit his Laser Beam and it was 3x faster than Niou's?

Niou can't copy someone perfectly, but he can copy their skills to an extent. He couldn't copy the Zero-Shiki serve, but he could copy Tezuka's other skills. Probably not quite on the same level as Tezuka, but that doesn't make it an illusion.

 

[Fayte]

Niou clearly does copy techniques, he just isn't quite as good as the original. Remember when the real Yagyuu hit his Laser Beam and it was 3x faster than Niou's?

Niou can't copy someone perfectly, but he can copy their skills to an extent. He couldn't copy the Zero-Shiki serve, but he could copy Tezuka's other skills. Probably not quite on the same level as Tezuka, but that doesn't make it an illusion.

Even Sanada and Yukimura said they were fooled by his "illusion."

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Even Sanada and Yukimura said they were fooled by his "illusion."

That doesn't explain him actually hitting the shots.

What I think they mean by illusion is that he is making it seem like he is on the same level as Tezuka, when he really isn't. That doesn't change the fact that he's copying his techniques. But Niou is no Kabaji. His copies aren't perfect, which was the whole point of that match.

 

[Dansan1]

I think....

The illusion part refers to the fact that Niou through various means; using their techniques, mimicking their smallest mannerisms and speech patterns, he convinces the opponent he actually is someone else or makes them see that person.

Kabaji was still clearly Kabaji, but was using Tezuka's techniques. Niou was using the techniques but going a step further in totally copying everything about him to make it seem that you were playing him.

He does actually use the moves. He is simply inferior to Tezuka, and hence was unable to hit the Zero-Shiki serve, he just didn't have the ability to do that one.

At least that's how I interpret the manga.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I think....

The illusion part refers to the fact that Niou through various means; using their techniques, mimicking their smallest mannerisms and speech patterns, he convinces the opponent he actually is someone else or makes them see that person.

Kabaji was still clearly Kabaji, but was using Tezuka's techniques. Niou was using the techniques but going a step further in totally copying everything about him to make it seem that you were playing him.

He does actually use the moves. He is simply inferior to Tezuka, and hence was unable to hit the Zero-Shiki serve, he just didn't have the ability to do that one.

At least that's how I interpret the manga.

Yeah, I think that's right. Of course, when he was playing with Yagyuu he was actually cosplaying, which helped him a lot.

But I think the whole 'mimicking the mannerisms' deal is what they meant by 'illusion'.