That i what I said... he treats them as if they are videogame characters. He had already demonstrated that he could easily take down a person by simply punching them in the stomach... so there was never any need to knock out their teeth. What I am saying is that he knocked out their teeth on purpose because he wanted too. It was unnecessary violence and this is why he is a bad person.
He was going easy on 1A when he fought them and they recovered incredibly quickly.
He had no reason to go easy on the bullets who were actively trying to kill him, so he went for more effective blows on the jaw. Punching a slack jaw is an incredibly viable way of knocking someone out.
Deliberately knocking out people's teeth doesn't maim them? But again, this was my whole point... the manga highlighted that the reason Mirio was in the top three was because of how hard he had worked to be in perfect sync with his quirk. The reason his quirk was so effective was because Mirio was always on total control of what he was doing. This is why he has no excuse here.
This is hero society, knocking out their teeth is not something I would think unfixable.
And if anything, the manga highlights that Mirio's beat down wasn't strong enough, because Nemoto actually eventually recovered from the attacks.
Also, its worth noting that Mirio was also effected by the drunkeness quirk.
I never really understood the obsession people had with Himiko and Jin though. What it showed us was that Himiko was actually a nice and caring person. She was nice to everyone in the league, it was just that Jin was the type of guy that would be your best friend if you were kind to him.
Yeah. It highlighted that Toga had the potential to be a kind person in the right circumstances which I think did a good job at appropriately humanizing a character that before that point had been mostly sinister.
No, you can like a character even if they are pure evil. In the end, Himiko is broken... but what makes you feels sad for her isn't that there is something wrong in her head or even that she is actually a good person... The thing that garners sympathies is the situation and the people around her. In her case all her problems could have easily been avoided, even after she had attacked that boy at her school it wasn't to late. She could simply have been given some real therapy since nobody had actually died yet. That is why people sympathize with her... because at heart she is a really nice person that became they way she is because of circumstances around her.
Yeah, but you can like a character because they are evil for possessing attributes like charisma, power, drive, being a shit lord(just a more crass way of saying playful), all of which being admirable or at least endearing qualities if presented in the right way.
Most people aren't endeared to characters for being evil for evils sake, they usually have other factors that make how they are evil enjoyable.
The thing is, Toga isn't really that sympathetic outside of connection to Jin, and that last bit which highlighted her parents rejecting her after she committed her first stabby stab.
Her parents rejecting her was pretty scummy, but I don't think Toga's example is exactly unique among the other characters, many of whom also having similar backgrounds.
I think after that the situation became untennable, especially since she fled the scene. There was no opportunity for anyone to help her past that point because she went into deep hiding.
Thats the thing. Toga isn't a terribly nice person at heart. She is a very disturbed person. She has the potential to be nice to others, but that doesn't change the fact that on a whole she isn't nice to others and doesn't care about being nice to others. She has very little regard for most human life and ultimately takes a predatory attitude towards the people she is attracted to.
To prove my point, just imagine that Toga's gender was reversed but she had the same actions. They would immediately speak more to that of someone with messed up predatory tendencies than a "nice person".
You could argue how much her circumstances exacerbated her desires, but by the time she fled, she'd already held herself to the conviction that her drinking the blood of her victims till they die was a perfectly permissible action because it made her personally feel good.
No, this is wrong. People like Hawks because they think he is hot, and that is all there is to it. He doesn't have a single redeeming quality in his bones. He is the epitome of hypocrisy. You wouldn't need to change a single thing about him if you decided you to make him a villain. As for Endeavor... while he kills Noumo... his way of thinking is actually closer to that of a real hero. So overall he doesn't have as many bad traits as the other main heroes in the story.
I could easily flip this on its head and say that the only thing people like about Toga is the fact she's a yandere cute high school girl type character, but I'm not that lowly.
Hawks is a generally more interesting character than Toga because he asserts significantly more agency(which is ironic because he is the guy who is supposed to be the government stooge). The story set up a very interesting moral conundrum which questioned how far Hawks would go, with it ultimately being revealed that Hawks isn't some ruthless government agent, but someone with some actual heart to him. He only ended up killing Twice under extreme duress.
Ultimately, Hawks is someone who deeply cares about other people, with his background informing why he wants to help others.
This is totally contrary to a villain. Yes, Hawks is pragmatic, but at the end of the day, he is still a sentimental hero. One that has done bad things, but an optimist with a positive attitude towards others nonetheless.
Killing Nomu, considering what they are, is hardly a crime. Especially since most of them can't be contained and they are technically just corpses.
And Endeavour has far more negative traits than Hawks. For the longest time he was grumpy anti social, and just down right cruel and selfish to the point of being an abusive asshole who couldn't see past his own ambitions.
Hawks was a pragmatist, but he wasn't completely cold hearted. He has a lot of charm to him as well in terms of his personality. He bounces off other characters in really fun ways.
He has far more redeeming qualities as a person than Endeavour(to begin with). What ultimately saves Endeavour is his desire to improve himself as a person.
When was Endeavor ever shown to be a bad person? Every complaint I have seen about him is fanon. The guy wanted to be the best and when he couldn't achieve that goal put his hopes in his children. I wouldn't give him any father of the year awards, but I wouldn't call him bad at parenting either. He trained his children, and nothing of what I have seen was actually abusive. He acted like any other martial arts trained do in real life. Having high expectations on your children does not make you a bad person, it just shows that you believe in them. The so called slap is also understandable. His wife became hysteric and he needed for her to calm down. In retrospect this was the wrong thing to do, but when a person starts acting unstable you need to quickly diffuse the situation. The flashback with Dabi highlighted all of this. Endeavor was proud of his children but when he noticed that training them would become dangerous for them, he immediately stopped doing so. If he had been a bad person then he would have continued to train them.
Okay wtf.
When I was entering this conversation I did not expect to read someone justifying Endeavour beating up their wife because she was "hysterical" about defending their child from getting physically abused by their father at the age of 5. Rei wasn't even acting hysterical. The one acting hysterical was Endeavour who had punched his child so hard that he was vomitting on the floor. What Endeavour was doing wasn't appropriate training for Shoto's age and its implied to have only grown more violent as Shoto grew up. Martial artists don't beat the shit out their children at the age of 5.
Endeavour wasn't a good parent at all. He was a really shitty parent who abused and isolated Shoto, not necessarily for Shoto's own good, but for the sake of Shoto fulfilling his own selfish desires.
This is genuinely wild shit man.
Also, he obviously stopped caring about "the well being of training his kids" when he started training Shoto. His training with Shoto crossed way too many lines, and created a massive rift between Shoto and Endeavour. Shoto's foremost memories of Endeavour being of how he was physically abused by his father does not show a caring father, but a cruel dictatorial man who controlled Shoto's upbringing with an enclosed iron fist.
Go read the manga again. Hawks didn't regret anything, the only thing that upset him was that his actions were recorded. Hawks could have easily sneaked in some sleeping powder and taken out Jin, in fact instead of just standing there he could have just walked up to him and knocked him out. Hawks wanted to kill Jin. He was just looking for an excuse to do so. But even if you don't believe that, just look at his motivation and his little speech afterwards. Hawks wants to create a world where heroes don't have to work... but such a world can only be achieved if you remove free will. Hawks is just the most obvious example of the heroes being rotten, but what really make the heroes so despicable is that they are all sheep. When they grow up they do so watching shows about heroes on television like we are watching cartoons. Because of this there will always be a disconnect between reality and fiction.
No, he did regret what happened with Twice. Hawks is ultimately someone who wants to save others, and killing Twice was at that time his only option. Its not like he was lying about desiring to save Twice. He saved Twice from Dabi earlier in the conflict(in fact, Dabi was counting on the fact that Hawks really was a hero at heart when making that move).
Hawks confronted Jin because he wanted to keep tabs on him and bring him in easily. That situation escalated out of control when Dabi entered the picture.
I suggest you go and read the manga again, because its made very clear that Hawks did not intend to kill Jin in that confrontation even though that was the end result.
I looked at all these things, but the result is still obvious that his initial plan was to try and save and help Twice, but he was unable to do so.
Hero wants to make a safer world. He doesn't want to remove free will. I have no idea where you got that.
Hawks lived the harshness of a terrible child hood and ended up a better person in spite of that. Hawks childhood could have easily have made him turn into a cruel unfeeling person that didn't care for others, but thats not what happened. He was able to become someone who wanted to save others as his express motivation and something he believes even to this day.
This is in contrast to the villains who aside from Twice and Spinner(who were devoted completely to helping their cause for the sake of helping the people they are loyal to or care about), generally don't want to help anyone but themselves.
Hawks is an altrustic person. He isn't perfect, but at the end of the day Hawks is someone who wants to help others. He did want to help Jin because he knew Jin was a decent guy. The situation simply didn't turn out that way.
