Discussion Tokyo World Cup in 3 Years

[mathematicianrcg]

This thread is made up by Atobe's Future Vision where World Cup is being played in Tokyo, Japan.

We all agreed that FUTURE Tokyo WC Japan Team will b stronger significantly than CURRENT WC Japan team

But what about the other countries? They all got weaker? Let's visit thru each significant team.

Spain - Ryoga, Romeo, and Seda in 3 years? Damn. That will be a hell of a power trio. Might be in the Finals against Japan again.

Germany - MOST INTERESTING. Who thinks (Tezuka, Bertie, Sieg, Frank) in 3 years will surpass (Volk, QP, Bismarck, Dankmar)?

USA - gets extremely weaker. No Ralph that unites them anymore. They will be back to a no teamwork team. Not to mention gets weaker cause they have weak Msers. The only time their Msers play. They got 6-0 stomped by Randy/Albert. Lmao
I am not sure if Kiko can carry.

Switzerland - They only have Henri left. But it is mentioned that they have #1 in terms of overall strength meaning they have more quantity of quality players than fodders. Their top heavy lineup took a hit though. Without Amadeus and probably Tatsuta.
If Tatsuta is a Mser, they wil bw fine. Cause Kuraraga will just replace Amadeus.

France - Prince, Osval, Jonathan are not weak. But I doubt they will surpass Camus, Edgar, Tristan, and Timothe.

Greece - I think they will be fine with Zeus leading.

Australia - Maybe Noah can be healed. So they will be better.

Japan - LMAO. This team stomps.

 

[Ganonslayer101]

Agree on pretty much all of them. Top tweams will remain at the top.
Given that Osval was already able to beat everyone but Camus, I think france will likely be even stronger going forward. Likely once he can safely use his forbidden move. Plus a humbled Prince might start improving.
Greece becomes a real contender given that Zeus is already a high tier player as a first year.
Japan stays stacked.
Germany entering with 2 TnK users and the premier Data Tennis user sets them up real well

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Agree on pretty much all of them. Top tweams will remain at the top.
Given that Osval was already able to beat everyone but Camus, I think france will likely be even stronger going forward. Likely once he can safely use his forbidden move. Plus a humbled Prince might start improving.
Greece becomes a real contender given that Zeus is already a high tier player as a first year.
Japan stays stacked.
Germany entering with 2 TnK users and the premier Data Tennis user sets them up real well

Japan - Ryoma, Atobe, Yukimura, Fuji, Sanada, Shiraishi, Akutsu, Kintaro,

Spain - Ryoga, Romeo, Seda

Germany - Tezuka, Bertie, Siegfried, Frankensteiner

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Japan - Ryoma, Atobe, Yukimura, Fuji, Sanada, Shiraishi, Akutsu, Kintaro,

Spain - Ryoga, Romeo, Seda

Germany - Tezuka, Bertie, Siegfried, Frankensteiner

France - Ludovic, Osval, Jonathan

Switzerland - Henri

Greece - Zeus and other Greek God Named Players. Lol

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 6, 2024, Original Post Date: Dec 9, 2023 ---

Ok. To Summarize the Future Japan Team Lineup again we have:

**Singles Players:** Ryoma, Atobe, Akutsu

**Doubles Specialists:** Mouri, Kintarou, Kite, Akaya, Yagyuu, Niou, Yanagi

**Versatile (Both play Singles and Doubles):** Fuji, Shiraishi, Yukimura, Sanada

**BENCH PLAYERS:** Sengoku and Oshitari
(They will be like Marui and Gin or Oishi)

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 6, 2024 ---

Agree on pretty much all of them. Top tweams will remain at the top.
Given that Osval was already able to beat everyone but Camus, I think france will likely be even stronger going forward. Likely once he can safely use his forbidden move. Plus a humbled Prince might start improving.
Greece becomes a real contender given that Zeus is already a high tier player as a first year.
Japan stays stacked.
Germany entering with 2 TnK users and the premier Data Tennis user sets them up real well

Experimenting some fun lineups for the Future:

LINEUP 1

S1: Ryoma
S2: Atobe
S3: Fuji
D2: Yukimura/Sanada
D1: Kite/Akaya

LINEUP 2

S1: Atobe
S2: Ryoma
S3: Yukimura
D2: Mouri/Shiraishi
D1: Yagyuu/Niou

LINEUP 3

S1: Ryoma
S2: Akutsu
S3: Atobe
D2: Shiraishi/Kintarou
D1: Fuji/Sanada

LINEUP 4 (Weaker Lineup)

S1: Yukimura
S2: Fuji
S3: Sanada
D2: Kintarou/Kite
D1: Yanagi/Akaya

LINEUP 5 (Weakest Reasonable Lineup in case Japan need to lose a round like what happened this year against Switzerland)

S1: Fuji
S2: Akutsu
S3: Oshitari
D2: Yagyuu/Niou
D1: Mouri/Sengoku

 

[Ganonslayer101]

While Akaya is better in Doubles. He's made it perfectly clear he dislikes the position and as he improves and has more authority, he will likely demand tge S3 spot at least some times.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

While Akaya is better in Doubles. He's made it perfectly clear he dislikes the position and as he improves and has more authority, he will likely demand tge S3 spot at least some times.

In my opinion, he should surpass the Rikkai Trio before he can demand.

He probably surpassed Yanagi now.

If he wants S3. He should surpass Yukimura and Sanada in the Future.

That is his goal right? He already done step 1 (surpassed Yanagi). Now, time to surpass Sanada.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 7, 2024, Original Post Date: Jan 7, 2024 ---

And actually I even prefer Kintaro to play singles than Akaya.

Akaya's abilities are perfect for Doubles.

Singles, not so much. As he was effortlessly beaten by Fuji in Intra Match.

 

[Hardy]

And actually I even prefer Kintaro to play singles than Akaya.

Akaya's abilities are perfect for Doubles.

Singles, not so much. As he was effortlessly beaten by Fuji in Intra Match.

He was completely out of gas because he had destroyed his body using the incomplete version of Blue Eyes the day before. If I recall correctly he lost 1-6, he probably won the first game then his legs gave up.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

He was completely out of gas because he had destroyed his body using the incomplete version of Blue Eyes the day before. If I recall correctly he lost 1-6, he probably won the first game then his legs gave up.

Yeah. Good point.

But still. I think Kintarou and Akaya might be the best doubles players of japan in the Future.

On the other hand,

The weakest Doubles pair Japan will have is Yagyuu/Niou. Especially now that Niou sealed his illusions. he is back to a fodder player relatively to the world. And Yagyuu is only in Shishido level as we saw in Game of Future. (They are still strong, just relatively the weakest)
(Unless they improved dramatically like Yagyuu having more than his laser beams)


Meanwhile, the weakest Singles Player Japan will have is by far Sengoku. We all know Sengoku is just cracking the lineup because of his "lucky" card.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 16, 2024, Original Post Date: Jan 10, 2024 ---

While Akaya is better in Doubles. He's made it perfectly clear he dislikes the position and as he improves and has more authority, he will likely demand tge S3 spot at least some times.

Actually, This can be a good Poll.

Who should be Japan's Regular Singles #3 Player after Ryoma (S1) and Atobe (S2)?

Or simply who should be the 3rd Strongest Singles Player for Japan Team 3 years from now?

I will make a poll

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 16, 2024 ---

Btw,

Yukimura seems to be extremely weaker in Doubles than Singles.

So he might get Singles spot due to that.

This is evidenced when a Weaker Player in Ohmagari dominated both Yanagi/Yuki in doubles. With a back then still Noob Doubles Kintarou.

Unless, you will argue Ohmagari is actually stronger than Yuki??? (I dont think so tbh)

Actually, Yukimura and Sanada are strong in singles, but relatively bad in Doubles.

They even struggled against that Weakling Doubles Pair of Australia. Lmao.

You can even argue an hot take that Yanagi is better than Yuki and Sanada in doubles.

 

[Ganonslayer101]

Yeah. Good point.

But still. I think Kintarou and Akaya might be the best doubles players of japan in the Future.

On the other hand,

The weakest Doubles pair Japan will have is Yagyuu/Niou. Especially now that Niou sealed his illusions. he is back to a fodder player relatively to the world. And Yagyuu is only in Shishido level as we saw in Game of Future. (They are still strong, just relatively the weakest)
(Unless they improved dramatically like Yagyuu having more than his laser beams)


Meanwhile, the weakest Singles Player Japan will have is by far Sengoku. We all know Sengoku is just cracking the lineup because of his "lucky" card.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 16, 2024, Original Post Date: Jan 10, 2024 ---

Actually, This can be a good Poll.

Who should be Japan's Regular Singles #3 Player after Ryoma (S1) and Atobe (S2)?

Or simply who should be the 3rd Strongest Singles Player for Japan Team 3 years from now?

I will make a poll

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 16, 2024 ---

Btw,

Yukimura seems to be extremely weaker in Doubles than Singles.

So he might get Singles spot due to that.

This is evidenced when a Weaker Player in Ohmagari dominated both Yanagi/Yuki in doubles. With a back then still Noob Doubles Kintarou.

Unless, you will argue Ohmagari is actually stronger than Yuki??? (I dont think so tbh)

Actually, Yukimura and Sanada are strong in singles, but relatively bad in Doubles.

They even struggled against that Weakling Doubles Pair of Australia. Lmao.

You can even argue an hot take that Yanagi is better than Yuki and Sanada in doubles.

I don't think Australia's captain and his partner were weak at all. They likely had high base stats. They just lacked hax.

Also it makes sense that Yuki is worse in doubles. If someone else is returning the shot besides him, then his main wwapon, yips, is less likely to trigger.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

I don't think Australia's captain and his partner were weak at all. They likely had high base stats. They just lacked hax.

Also it makes sense that Yuki is worse in doubles. If someone else is returning the shot besides him, then his main wwapon, yips, is less likely to trigger.

Then, that will mean Ryoma, Atobe, and Yukimura will be the 3 Main Regular Singles Players of Japan. (Since they are significantly weaker in Doubles than Singles)

Sanada and Akutsu are Singles too I think

Kintarou, Akaya, Shiraishi and Fuji are all strong singles player too. But they are the strongest Players who can play doubles well too.

Kite is a doubles specialist. He is relatively weaker in Singles.

Then Doubles specialist pair of Yagyuu/Niou

Then Mouri/Yanagi will be doubles specialist too.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 17, 2024, Original Post Date: Jan 17, 2024 ---

I don't think Australia's captain and his partner were weak at all. They likely had high base stats. They just lacked hax.

Also it makes sense that Yuki is worse in doubles. If someone else is returning the shot besides him, then his main wwapon, yips, is less likely to trigger.

Taking other factors. Into consideration:

Exclusive Singles Players: Ryoma, Atobe, Yuki, Sanada, Akutsu

Exclusive Doubles Pairs: Yagyuu/Niou, Mouri/Yanagi

Versatile Players: Fuji, Kintarou, Akaya, Kite

Filler: Oshitari, Sengoku

 

[chikkychappy]

They even struggled against that Weakling Doubles Pair of Australia. Lmao.

Wdym that was actually an impressive showing??? The AU pair are both high school seniors (including even the Captain), and arguably AU's best doubles pair. Noah intended for this pair to beat whoever the "highly offensive team" that Japan will field. You know, that same Noah whose strategic genius made it possible for Australia to beat Switzerland? This AU pair's bread and butter is their utterly rock solid defense and despite that, Yukimura and Sanada matched them in this aspect even though defense isn't even their forte.

The fight would've gone on forever had Atobe not intervened, after that it was a stomp. It's impressive that they managed to do this against HSers that Noah designed to beat them.

 

[LetalHawk]

Wdym that was actually an impressive showing??? The AU pair are both high school seniors (including even the Captain), and arguably AU's best doubles pair. Noah intended for this pair to beat whoever the "highly offensive team" that Japan will field. You know, that same Noah whose strategic genius made it possible for Australia to beat Switzerland? This AU pair's bread and butter is their utterly rock solid defense and despite that, Yukimura and Sanada matched them in this aspect even though defense isn't even their forte.

The fight would've gone on forever had Atobe not intervened, after that it was a stomp. It's impressive that they managed to do this against HSers that Noah designed to beat them.

And Yukimura didn’t play like vs Tezuka, if Yukimura had played like that in that match they would have had a much easier time.

 

[Ganonslayer101]

And Yukimura didn’t play like vs Tezuka, if Yukimura had played like that in that match they would have had a much easier time.

Not really. Aside from a higher concentration, his other vs. Tezuka skills are explicitly that. Abilities that specifically counter Tezuka. Mirage Mirror is just Nitoryu against anything other than Tezuka Zone which was a skill of Regionals Ryoma. It was only effective on Kin because he's so bad at doubles, that he somehow loses all his speed and agility. Future requires him to already be taking points so that he can seal that position from the opponent. And his anti-left training wouldn't do anything against Jean or Chris.

 

[chikkychappy]

Mirage Mirror is just Nitoryu against anything other than Tezuka Zone which was a skill of Regionals Ryoma.

Ambidextrous <> Mirage Mirror

Mirage Mirror allows him to hit the exact same shot with both hands. This implies that his left hand is as good as his right which is a lot more OP. In Ryoma's case his left hand is clearly more dominant, there are players he would easily beat with his left hand but struggle against with his right hand.

My memory is rusty but I'm not sure who else among the two handers (e.g., Bandana #6, two French players) in the series who could claim the same skill.

 

[Ganonslayer101]

Ambidextrous <> Mirage Mirror

Mirage Mirror allows him to hit the exact same shot with both hands. This implies that his left hand is as good as his right which is a lot more OP. In Ryoma's case his left hand is clearly more dominant, there are players he would easily beat with his left hand but struggle against with his right hand.

My memory is rusty but I'm not sure who else among the two handers (e.g., Bandana #6, two French players) in the series who could claim the same skill.

Kai from Higa also could. Even if you wanna say it's better than Ryoma's Nitoryu, it's still worse than Ohmagari's who uses 2 rackets and can feint better. So it's like a C or B tier skill at best