Match Weekly Match-up thread (Mares vs QP)

[Hardy]

ROUND IS OVER

Spoiler: Winners

Yukimura Seiichi / Tokugawa Kazuya

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With D2 in Japan vs Spain done, let's move onto the 30th round!:

Mares performed admirably against Kintarou's evolved TnK. How would he fair against QP's God Aura?

Picture	Mares Hardy Tuesday at 2:09 AM	QP Hardy Oct 16, 2023
Name	Mares de Colón	QP
Title	Sniper	Quality of Perfect
Rank	Spain Representative (HSer Year 3)	Germany Representative (HSer Year 2)
Height	-	177cm
Weight	-	63kg
Dominant Hand	Right	Left
Playstyle	-	All Rounder
Stat Total	-	-
Speed	-	-
Power	-	-
Stamina	-	-
Mental	-	-
Technique	-	-
Techniques / Styles	Sniper Real Sniper Francotirador White Flame	Ultimate Quality Aura

QP's 23.5 profile

Poll will be up on Wednesday.

 

[Hardy]

Rules:

-Every Monday, a new matchup will be presented. Use this time before the voting starts to build your first cases. Feel free to speculate, but keep it reasonable. By default, the matchups are for best-of-three-sets matches.
-On Wednesdays, a poll will be opened for you to cast votes on whoever you think is better (even by the smallest of margins). This poll will be closed the moment the next matchup starts (which means you have 4 days to vote).
-The final results of each round will be kept track of in this very first post.
-Please drop a comment saying which matchup you want to discuss next, whichever matchup seems more popular will be discussed next. Rematches CAN HAPPEN but only after a 10 week cooldown. The matchups do NOT need to be the current form of the players: eg, discussing Prefecturals! Tachibana vs Tezuka.
-This does not mean you cannot make your own matchup threads outside of this thread, of course. I just thought this format could be more fun .

FIRST MATCH:

The hot topic lately in this forum seems to be the G-5.

Which of these G5 members is currently better?

Picture	Tanegashima Hardy Oct 23, 2023	Duke Hardy Oct 23, 2023
Name	Tanegashima Shuuji	Duke Watanabe
Title	-	The Destroyer
Rank	No. 2	No. 3
Height	184 cm	192 cm
Weight	71 kg	88 kg
Dominant Hand	Right	Right
Playstyle	All Rounder	Aggressive Baseliner
Stat Total	28	27
Speed	5	5
Power	5	7
Stamina	5	5
Mental	7	5
Technique	6	5
Techniques / Styles	Flash Tennis Void Void Before Birth Ultimate Void	Duke Homerun Play Ball! Duke Bunt Destruction Duke Buster Ki Jin

Their 10.5 profiles are here.

Keep in mind their stats are not up to date: do not be surprised if Ultimate Void granted Tanegashima a 10 in Mental or Duke's Ki Jin enabled him to reach 10 in power.

Giving extra days for this as it's the first matchup. The poll will be opened on Wednesday.

Spoiler: Week 1: Tanegashima vs Duke

Picture	Tanegashima Hardy Oct 23, 2023	Duke Hardy Oct 23, 2023
Name	Tanegashima Shuuji	Duke Watanabe
Result	Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 2: Tezuka vs Oni

Picture	Tezuka Hardy Nov 8, 2023	Oni Hardy Nov 8, 2023
Name	Tezuka Kunimitsu	Oni Juujirou
Result		Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 3: Irie vs Yukimura

Picture	Irie Hardy Nov 12, 2023	Yukimura Hardy Nov 8, 2023
Name	Irie Kanata	Yukimura Seiichi
Result	Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 4: Shiraishi vs Sanada

Picture	Shiraishi Hardy Oct 2, 2023	Sanada Hardy Oct 2, 2023
Name	Shiraishi Kuranosuke	Sanada Genichirou
Result		Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 5: Bismarck vs Atobe

Picture	Bismarck Hardy Oct 9, 2023	Atobe Hardy Oct 9, 2023
Name	Bismarck Michael	Atobe Keigo
Result	Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 6: Romeo vs QP

Picture	Romeo Hardy Oct 16, 2023	QP Hardy Oct 16, 2023
Name	Fernández Romeo	QP
Result		Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 7: Duke vs Ryoma

Picture	Duke Hardy Oct 23, 2023	Ryoma Hardy Oct 23, 2023
Name	Duke Watanabe	Echizen Ryoma
Result	Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 8: Kintarou vs Ludwig

Picture	Kintarou Hardy Oct 31, 2023	Ludwig Hardy Oct 23, 2023
Name	Tooyama Kintarou	Chardard Ludwig
Result		Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 9: Tezuka vs Romeo

Picture	Tezuka Hardy Nov 8, 2023	Romeo Hardy Oct 16, 2023
Name	Tezuka Kunimitsu	Fernández Romeo
Result		Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 10: Bismarck-Siegfried vs Bertie-Schneider

Picture	Bismarck-Siegfried Hardy Nov 12, 2023	Bertie-Schneider Hardy Nov 12, 2023
Name	Bismarck Michael - Siegfried Elmer	Volk Bertie / Schneider Dankmar
Result		Winners

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 11: Irie vs Ryoma

Picture	Irie Hardy Nov 12, 2023	Ryoma Hardy Oct 23, 2023
Name	Irie Kanata	Echizen Ryoma
Result		Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 12: Bismarck vs Amadeus

Picture	Bismarck Hardy Oct 9, 2023	Amadeus Hardy Nov 27, 2023
Name	Bismarck Michael	Amadeus Alexander
Result		Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 13: Ralph vs Zeus

Picture	Ralph Hardy Dec 4, 2023	Zeus Hardy Dec 4, 2023
Name	Rhinehart Ralph	Iliopoulos Zeus
Result	Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 14: Tokugawa vs QP

Picture	Tokugawa Hardy Dec 13, 2023	QP Hardy Oct 16, 2023
Name	Tokugawa Kazuya	QP
Result		Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 15: Kite vs Chitose

Picture	Kite Hardy Dec 19, 2023	Chitose Hardy Jan 1, 2024
Name	Kite Eishirou	Chitose Senri
Result		Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 16: Tachibana vs Yanagi

Picture	Yanagi Hardy Jan 1, 2024	Tachibana Hardy Jan 1, 2024
Name	Yanagi Renji	Tachibana Kippei
Result	Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 17: Fuji vs Sanada

Picture	Fuji Hardy Jan 15, 2024	Sanada Hardy Oct 2, 2023
Name	Fuji Shuusuke	Sanada Genichirou
Result	Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 18: Shiraishi vs Kirihara

Picture	Shiraishi Hardy Oct 2, 2023	Kirihara Hardy Jan 22, 2024
Name	Shiraishi Kuranosuke	Kirihara Akaya
Result		Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 19: Akutsu vs Atobe

Picture	Akutsu Hardy Jan 29, 2024	Atobe Hardy Oct 9, 2023
Name	Akutsu Jin	Atobe Keigo
Result		Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 20: Sanada vs Ochi

Picture	Sanada Hardy Oct 2, 2023	Ochi Hardy Feb 5, 2024
Name	Sanada Genichirou	Ochi Tsukimitsu
Result		Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 21: Bismarck vs Duke

Picture	Bismarck Hardy Oct 9, 2023	Duke Hardy Oct 23, 2023
Name	Bismarck Michael	Duke Watanabe
Result	Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 22: Amadeus vs Oni

Picture	Amadeus Hardy Nov 27, 2023	Oni Hardy Nov 8, 2023
Name	Amadeus Alexander	Oni Juujirou
Result	Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 23: Irie vs Ludwig

Picture	Irie Hardy Nov 12, 2023	Ludwig Hardy Oct 23, 2023
Name	Irie Kanata	Chardard Ludwig
Result	Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 24: Hakamada vs Chitose

Picture	Hakamada Hardy Mar 7, 2024	Chitose Hardy Jan 1, 2024
Name	Hakamada Izou	Chitose Senri
Result	Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 25: Ralph vs Romeo

Picture	Ralph Hardy Dec 4, 2023	Romeo Hardy Oct 16, 2023
Name	Rhinehart Ralph	Fernández Romeo
Result	Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 26: Shiraishi vs Siegfried

Picture	Shiraishi Hardy Oct 2, 2023	Siegfried Hardy Mar 25, 2024
Name	Shiraishi Kuranosuke	Siegfried Elmer
Result	Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 27: Irie vs Fuji

Picture	Irie Hardy Nov 12, 2023	Fuji Hardy Jan 15, 2024
Name	Irie Kanata	Fuji Shuusuke
Result	Winner

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 28: Tanegashima-Kirihara vs Duke-Niou

Picture	Tanegashima-Kirihara Hardy Apr 22, 2024	Duke-Niou Hardy Apr 22, 2024
Name	Tanegashima Shuuji - Kirihara Akaya	Duke Watanabe / Niou Masaharu
Result		Winners

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 29: Bismarck-Siegfried vs Tokugawa-Yukimura

Picture	Bismarck-Siegfried Hardy Nov 12, 2023	Yukimura-Tokugawa Hardy Apr 30, 2024
Name	Bismarck Michael - Siegfried Elmer	Yukimura Seiichi / Tokugawa Kazuya
Result		Winners

Link to discussion

Spoiler: Week 30: Mares vs QP

Picture	Mares Hardy Tuesday at 2:09 AM	QP Hardy Oct 16, 2023
Name	Mares de Colón	QP
Result

Link to discussion

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Interesting.

This is 50-50 for me

If Tanegashima is hit even once by Duke's one hit shots. He is over. He have a weak and thin body.

However, Tanegashima is invisible.

It will depend if Duke have enough sense of presence of invisibility. (You know, like when you close your eyes and feel where the invisble man is).

However, a Player like Ohmagari (a tier below them) kinda was able to counter Tane's invisibilities and void. So, maybe Duke can invent his own ways too. Like if he will desroy the whole other side of tennis court using his power. Lmao.

Duke's Kijin is a problem too.

You can use indirect comparison too.

Duke is scaled to Camus. Tanegashima is scaled to Bismarck.

So, if you think Camus > Bismarck. Then Duke > Tanegashima.

On the other hand

If you think Bismarck > Camus. Then Tanegashima > Duke.

 

[Hardy]

Interesting.

This is 50-50 for me

If Tanegashima is hit even once by Duke's one hit shots. He is over. He have a weak and thin body.

See, Tanegashima's thin, but his Power stat reads:

Power - 5: The secret of his superior muscles lies in the bones. It seems the collagen he gets from consuming pigs feet bestows favorable results to strengthening his bones.

So we at least know he won't do a Kaji immedately.

His stamina seems relatively the same as Tokugawa, who endured a hit.

However, Tanegashima is invisible.

It will depend if Duke have enough sense of presence of invisibility. (You know, like when you close your eyes and feel where the invisble man is).

However, a Player like Ohmagari (a tier below them) kinda was able to counter Tane's invisibilities and void. So, maybe Duke can invent his own ways too. Like if he will desroy the whole other side of tennis court using his power. Lmao.

While invisible, Tanegashima had the edge on Bismarck, who is both an iron wall defender and a player capable of spotting his opponent's weaknesses with his high perception. I'm not sure Duke can match Bismarck in either of those 2 qualities. Byoudouin did drop a line saying Duke isn't just a bulldozer and his main playstyle is much softer, but everything we've seen since is the opposite except maybe for the Duke Buster bait.

Ohmagari had techniques specially designed to counter Tanegashima, though, and he had seemingly kept them hidden until the final point (probably to avoid Tanegashima going around them, somehow). Even then he didn't have anything ready for the Ultimate Void.

Duke's Kijin is a problem too.

You can use indirect comparison too.

Duke is scaled to Camus. Tanegashima is scaled to Bismarck.

So, if you think Camus > Bismarck. Then Duke > Tanegashima.

On the other hand

If you think Bismarck > Camus. Then Tanegashima > Duke.

Tanegashima is now better than Bismarck so the comparison doesn't really track.

Some speculation here: I think Tanegashima was as strong as Ki Jin Oni before his final upgrade (the "we tied every time" line), so facing a Ki Jin wouldn't be anything new for him (particularly, one likely focused on Power) and he got a huge upgrade ever since.

For stats, I currently have Tane at 31 (a 10 in Mental) and Duke at 30 (10 in Power) and no other development for either.

 

[Tavore]

Gotta go with Duke because of his Kijin.

 

[LetalHawk]

Tanegashima’s got a resistant body even though he has an slender build, like Tokugawa. If the latter resisted being smashed by Duke’s Kijin, then Tanegashima will resist it too.

The problem is on how long will he be able to. Duke’s onslaught doesn’t stop unless you have something like BH like Toku to paralyze his giant kijin, Tanegashima being invisible would work here with UVoid as Duke’s perception isn’t as great as Bismarck and wouldn’t be able therefore to know where Tane is actually so he’s have a very hard time dealing with it.

DH gets nullified by Imetsumu, Duke isn’t slow by any means he could eventually return it and use Duke bunt but his buster should work against Tane.

Overall, Tanegashima would take the match eventually, if he doesnt get killed by the Kijin which he shouldn’t.

Tane wins this 7-5.

 

[Hardy]

Gotta go with Duke because of his Kijin.

Would Kijin buff him enough to the point it's a no contest? Both Oni and Ryoma seem to favour TnK over it.

Do you think Oni with just BJK = Tanegashima? To make sense of the "we tied every time" line.

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DH gets nullified by Imetsumu, Duke isn’t slow by any means he could eventually return it and use Duke bunt but his buster should work against Tane.

Actually, I don't think he can.

It scored on both Akutsu and Sanada at once.

It was finding complicated spots on Bismarck, a defensive specialist. In the final point of their match he allowed Sieg to hit it, so best case scenario he'd had just gotten an OK return on his own.

Kin with TnK and + Ohmagari (both doubles specialist by now) weren't able to return it up until Ohmagari brought up his special moves. Ohmagari is just as fast as Duke on top of being a defensive specialist.

The move somehow got stronger with time, the feats got better and better lol.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Duke splendid performance during Intra is very very great.

Tokugawa is forced to use his Asura and paralysis just to neutralize and counter it.

Still, Duke was able to overpower and make a serve/shot, (but without control) that almost hit Duke's sister. Before Tokugawa return aced it.

Since Tokugawa will battle Medanore. That means Tokugawa is scaled to Medanore right now. (Unless, Tokugawa will need to evolve mid match)

And Duke was able to only lose 5-7 against Tokugawa.

PS: Sorry for indirect comparisons. lmao

 

[Hardy]

Poll is up!

Duke splendid performance during Intra is very very great.

Tokugawa is forced to use his Asura and paralysis just to neutralize and counter it.

Still, Duke was able to overpower and make a serve/shot, (but without control) that almost hit Duke's sister. Before Tokugawa return aced it.

Since Tokugawa will battle Medanore. That means Tokugawa is scaled to Medanore right now. (Unless, Tokugawa will need to evolve mid match)

And Duke was able to only lose 5-7 against Tokugawa.

PS: Sorry for indirect comparisons. lmao

Tokugawa doesn't have a winner like Void, though. Duke only managed to break Tokugawa's serve after greatly injuring him.

Duke did overpower the Black Hole but, as you said, he didn't manage to get the ball to land inside. Tokugawa went on and won 3 straight games after that, breaking Duke's serve twice, so it's certainly not... a feat for Duke, at all.

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Also, you can start suggesting which match up you want to discuss next. Ideally not something like "Kuraraga vs Camus" that we barely got any info of.

 

[LetalHawk]

Poll is up!



Tokugawa doesn't have a winner like Void, though. Duke only managed to break Tokugawa's serve after greatly injuring him.

Duke did overpower the Black Hole but, as you said, he didn't manage to get the ball to land inside. Tokugawa went on and won 3 straight games after that, breaking Duke's serve twice, so it's certainly not... a feat for Duke, at all.

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Also, you can start suggesting which match up you want to discuss next. Ideally not something like "Kuraraga vs Camus" that we barely got any info of.

I suggest doing Tezuka vs Oni.

Yukimura vs Ohmagari (singles)

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Poll is up!



Tokugawa doesn't have a winner like Void, though. Duke only managed to break Tokugawa's serve after greatly injuring him.

Duke did overpower the Black Hole but, as you said, he didn't manage to get the ball to land inside. Tokugawa went on and won 3 straight games after that, breaking Duke's serve twice, so it's certainly not... a feat for Duke, at all.

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Also, you can start suggesting which match up you want to discuss next. Ideally not something like "Kuraraga vs Camus" that we barely got any info of.

SOME OF MY PREFERRED LIST

SINGLES

Tokugawa VS Amadeus

Duke VS Zeus

Oni VS Ralph

Tanegashima VS Romeo

Tanegashima VS Tezuka

Oni VS Tezuka

Tezuka VS Amadeus

Tezuka VS Ralph

Yeah. Thats all for now. LMAO

 

[LetalHawk]

I’ll add more:

Ryoma vs Duke
Ryoma vs Irie
Yuki vs Tanegashima
Atobe vs Tane
Ralph vs Tezuka
Camus vs Ryoma

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Ralph VS Tezuka is interesting.

But It Tezuka cant even beat Bismarck. I dont think he have a chance against Ralph tbh.

HOT TAKE: I think Ralph is a tier ahead of Bismarck and Tezuka

 

[Tavore]

Ralph VS Tezuka is interesting.

But It Tezuka cant even beat Bismarck. I dont think he have a chance against Ralph tbh.

HOT TAKE: I think Ralph is a tier ahead of Bismarck and Tezuka

You underrate Bismarck

 

[mathematicianrcg]

You underrate Bismarck

Not really.

I just think Ralph > Bismarck

And by Transitive property

If Ralph > Bismarck and Bismarck > Tezuka. Then Ralph > Tezuka

Exceptions to this property is if there is a matchup advantage due to skills of strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Hardy]

Guys the thread is currently about Tanegashima vs Duke

 

[Ganonslayer101]

Duke takes it IMO, i just can't see Tanegashima voiding out homerun or buster. While his Ultimate Void can be a problem, I don't think it is something Duke can't overcome. Admittedly I'm biased as I think Duke is vastly underestimated in these discussions

 

[Hardy]

Duke takes it IMO, i just can't see Tanegashima voiding out homerun or buster. While his Ultimate Void can be a problem, I don't think it is something Duke can't overcome. Admittedly I'm biased as I think Duke is vastly underestimated in these discussions

It's said Void would work even on the Wirbel Taufe, why wouldn't it work on the Homerun?

Presumably it worked on the BJK and maybe even while Oni was in Ki Jin, too.

 

[Ganonslayer101]

It's said Void would work even on the Wirbel Taufe, why wouldn't it work on the Homerun?

Presumably it worked on the BJK and maybe even while Oni was in Ki Jin, too.

Wirbel Taufe's threat is the intense spin, not raw power. That being said, I did foolishly forget it returns BJK.

Still don't think he can return Buster but this match is now closer in my eyes.
Duke high diff if he can spam buster, otherwise loses.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

The winner will be whoever Konomi wants to win. Jk. LOL

But it can go either way.

We are not sure if Tanegashima Body has enough endurance if he was hit EVEN ONCE by any of Duke One hitters.

Remember, even Gin who have a Big Strong body Was blown out by Normal Duke Power.

On the other hand, Tane's Void and Invisibility might trick Duke in their matchup.

This is really a 50 -50 for me tbh.

 

[LetalHawk]

The winner will be whoever Konomi wants to win. Jk. LOL

But it can go either way.

We are not sure if Tanegashima Body has enough endurance if he was hit EVEN ONCE by any of Duke One hitters.

Remember, even Gin who have a Big Strong body Was blown out by Normal Duke Power.

On the other hand, Tane's Void and Invisibility might trick Duke in their matchup.

This is really a 50 -50 for me tbh.

Tanegashima’s body should be resistant enough, Tokugawa endured the Kijin’s hit and he has an slender build, possibly his body is tougher than Gin’s.

Byodouin has a hard body and is also slim but his muscles and bones are strong enough, he has also a massive grip strength.

The appearance doesn’t matter that much anymore since the top players can possibly endure Duke’s blows.

Tane is also versatile enough to go play around Duke’s fortes and avoid DH, he can hit the ball to places where his rivals can’t even reach with Imetsumu.