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The greatest disappointment?

  • Jellal

  • Mira

  • Gods of Ishgar

  • Spriggan 12

  • Zeref

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There are some characters in FT whose stock has taken a nosedive. The world of magic is harsh, and fortunes turn in the blink of an eye. Some who didn't came close to living up to the hype, and others who didn't even have a proper chance to begin with.

Which of these have been the greatest disappointment in your opinion?



Jellal

If you are too young to remember, or only got into FT not long ago, there was a time when Jellal's fan base seriously rivals that of Laxus'. Seems hard to believe now, but there were good reasons why Jellal was the shits back then. Together with Ultear, Jellal was the first recurring character to appear in the manga even before Natsu or Lucy did. The closest thing to an archmage, Jellal was a true evil SOB then. He was skilled and powerful with his heavenly body magic, could trap and ensnare with his dangerous dark magic, cunning, a good actor who could play the victim card, but ruthless and decisive when it mattered.

Shortly after the guild wars with Phantom Lord was over, Jellal and his underlings captured Erza and brought her back to the ToH. A plan has already been set in motion many years back when Jellal, under the disguise of his thought projection, had infiltrated the magic council and earned a place as a wizard saint (it was a big thing then). He then managed to get most of the councilors on his side to manipulate them in firing the Etherion, and would've achieve his objective had a certain dragon slayer not attain his super saiyan mode in dragon force. In the midst of these, Jellal also became the first antagonist to kill a notable good guy.

When Jellal was reintroduced in the middle of the Oracion Seis arc, the rape face he worn previously was soon replaced with a sorrowful one. Little did we know, Jellal was neutered during his comatose state. The guy was still powerful, but the edge and mystique his character possessed has completely vanished. Apart from making use of the excuse of redemption to simp for Erza, the guy has since been reduced to a shadow of his former self.

Mira

Yes, it might be hard to believe too. But there was a time when Erza vs Mira was the second most popular discussion after Jellal vs Laxus.

When Mira first appeared, her affable nature stood out amongst a bunch of ragtag misfits. Then during the BoFT arc, Freed who has been playing most of the FT members like a fiddle with his abilities, suddenly found himself on the receiving end of the wrath of Mira when she awoke her powers for the first time in a long time. She unleashed the power of an entire river at Freed, and ended him with an attack of dark energy blast that many in the city saw. It was one of the most badass moment of the distant past. To say that was a pleasant surprise would be an understatement. In a time when Erza was starting to terrorize the readers with her BS, this quickly cemented Mira as the glimpse of hope that we could place our hopes on to end the scarlet cancer's reign of terror.

Little did we found out that did was nothing but a scheming ploy to crush the hopes and dreams of the readers in a slow, agonizing death. When Lisanna was revealed to be alive in the Edolas arc, many assumed that Mira would finally be able to forgo the guilt that was holding her back all these while and elevate herself to greater heights. And then, she got deceived and knocked out by Elfman and Ever in the very next arc. To compound misery, she then failed to beat Azuma who had yet to merge with the Tenrou tree, as Lisanna and the fans erupted in despair. Azuma, then merged with the tree, skyrocketed in power, and got defeated by none other than Erza, in ludicrous fashion.

Alas, what goes around comes around. She, who dished out a curbstomp to Freed, got curbstomped by Seilah. Mira was already having an incredibly difficult time fighting Seilah, who was doing nothing but using telekinesis to pelt her with books. She then decides to use Satan soul Sitri, and Seilah responded by going limit release and decks her with a blitz so strong that Mira is actually forced out of her transformation. She had to resort to using her brother to incapacitate her foe, which sparked the question if Elfman's offensive strength has surpassed that of his sister. Meanwhile, Seilah's dominatrix lover got her ass handed to her by her eternal rival Erza in yet another ludicrous manner.

The pill was made tougher to swallow in the 100YQ sequel when despite the numerical advantage, Mira could not defeat Lucy. Then, the majority of her fight with Diabolos was not shown before getting off-panel'd by Gray. Rather than getting our doubts cleared, Mira's performance has since raised even greater doubts than before.

Gods of Ishgar

After Makarov and Jose's fight at the climax of the Phantom Lord arc, many guesses have been made regarding the identity of the other Wizard Saints. We discovered two of them in Jellal's thought projection and the humble Jura. And this benchmark the saints to be at least as strong as the average FT S-class mage, who has extraordinary level of strength compared to most other guilds. Soon after the 7 year timeskip, we were thrust into the GMG arc where FT tried to reclaim their position as the strongest guild of Ishgar. We were treated to the revelation that Jura has grown significantly more powerful, as his feats easily outclassed his peers and together with Jellal and Laxus, were in a tier of their own.

Then, a bombshell was dropped. Jura remarked that he has attained the rank of the 5th-ranked Wizard Saint, and there was a massive gulf in class between he and the four saints ranked ahead of him. They were known as the Gods of Ishgar, and all the readers were treated to was their silhouette. This sparked the fan base into a frenzy then, as speculation was flying around. Theories were made regarding their appearances, identity, powers and relative strength compared to others. 'Surely they are stronger than Gildarts?', was the common belief then.

Well, some things are just meant to be. As long a time it took to introduce them, the same could not be said of the alarming speed they went down. It's like they were just . . . gone. Gone like the wind. Nothing left. Zilch. Nada. Hold on a sec, who are they again?



Spriggan 12

You know it. You saw it coming. Yes, this list cannot be completed without the almighty Spriggan 12.

The Shields of the Spriggan was comprised of the twelve strongest mages of the Alvarez empire who served as the bodyguards of Zeref. The stakes were at an all-time high with the fearsome country trying to expand the lands of Alakitasia. Which turns out be a facade for Zeref's hidden agenda of obtaining Fairy Heart to create a universe with an alternate timeline. It was Mashima's attempt to replicate the world war. Except that Alvarez turned out to not be the Nazis, but rather the French.

In a shounen setting, they were doomed to failure. They can be forgiven for losing the war. However, it was their performance and association with Mashima's lackadaisical writing in the final arc that gave them no chance. Most of them were arrogant, complacent, and certainly not the sharpest tool in the shed. In their defense, some of them did got bad match ups in their fights. However, the hallmark of a competent fighter is their resourcefulness to pull off a victory within reason despite poor match ups (e.g. Gray vs Ultear/Rufus/Silver). The Spriggans were overly reliant on their powers, and when the protagonists managed to find a way to work around their effects, their inability to adapt, mediocre durability and tendency to shit their pants meant they suffer a meltdown before getting destroyed.

In hindsight, 12 villains in one arc were too much for Mashima to juggle. It seems to be a numbers game at the end, and he decided to go with quantity over quality. The Spriggans could each have their own background so they are more relatable to the readers, strike a better balance between hax and physical competency rather than swinging too much to one end at the expense of the other. They could pose a genuine threat by winning the crucial fights. One of the best scenes in the Alvarez arc was when Sabertooth suffered a crushing defeat and were crucified and paraded. And when Invel froze Magnolia and Erza and co. overlooked the remains of a frozen wasteland. It shows the territorial capitulation to the readers.

Unfortunately, the Spriggan were nothing more than appetizers to Acnologia the main threat. Whatever happened to the three-way war that was hyped up?

Zeref

He comes as a package together with his team of bodyguards. Except in Zeref's case, the rot has been longer. Far longer.

One of the reasons why I could never take him seriously was his appearance. He doesn't look anything like a villain. Zeref doesn't inspire confidence, fear, strength or courage. He look like a pre-pubescent boy who has only just discovered the birds and the bees for the first time in his life. In comparison, Acno was a good throwback to the Conan the barbarian with his exotic features and primalistic swagger.

Not only does Zeref not look the part as one of the main antagonist, he does not act the part either. His behaviour is questionable, and many times when he speak, his words are not concise. Zeref is constantly flip-flopping around his intentions, and can't make up his mind what he truly wants. When he was introduced, he swiftly lost to Ultear on Tenrou island in an anti-climatic fashion. Much of his mystique disintegrated that day. He then awaken and decided to kill Hades and the rest on the airship, just because. His actions were often counter-intuitive and rarely given an explanation that we can relate to. It just felt like anything he does that is contradictory, which is everything, can be conveniently chalked up to the nature of his curse/magic. That's lazy writing. And when it keeps getting repeated, things got really tedious.

With Zeref, you soon dread seeing him and getting caught up in yet another one of his melodramatic emotional turmoil. I found myself thinking 'Ugh, not this crap again' when he spirals into his negative nancy syndrome. And for a longest recurring villain that ties in to so many of the key events that has unfolded in the series, that is simply not good enough. When I see Acno, I think 'Awesome, shit's about to go down'. The difference is heaven and earth. For all the incredible hype Zeref had, when everything was settled, he left a lot more to be desired.

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I mean there was no reason for Mashima to not use more spells and make Zeref more like Hades with many different spells and magic atributes instead to make him a brawler who only fights with his fits. That was 100% lazy from Mashima.
A 400 year old Wizard who was said to be the strongest black wizard to exist going out in a fist fight was lame writing. And that is the main reason why I never liked Zeref as well. His backstory wasn't bad. But he got ruined to me because of lazy writing of his fights. Tbh Hades felt more menacing than Zeref and S12 combined.
 

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A 400 year old Wizard who was said to be the strongest black wizard to exist going out in a fist fight was lame writing. And that is the main reason why I never liked Zeref as well. His backstory wasn't bad. But he got ruined to me because of lazy writing of his fights. Tbh Hades felt more menacing than Zeref and S12 combined.
Well I feel almost the same. I like Zeref, he is one of my favorite characters, maybe because he is so different than most other shounen main villains. I liked his backstory too. But what I miss, his deep connection to Natsu, why loved he his brother so much? Why doesn't he tried to brought back his parents too? Doesn't he loved them too? Imo this parts should have been shown, to understand why he have done all of that. The other think what I miss and agree with you is that like you said a 400 years old wizard, who was hyped by Makarov, Hades, August and Irene for his great magic abilities but besides his curse/death magic we never saw anything of them and hat sucks extreme......

What I also miss about the S12 and Zeref, why the S12 followed him? August, Irene, Larcade and God Serens were explained but what with the other 8? Why followed someone like Brandish a guy like Zeref? I wish and hope that we somehow get a backstory about that.

Even thought I like the S12 as characters and group, Hades (who is weaker) still was shown more like a true wizard, he is one of the few archmages of the manga and I wish to have more characters like him. Thats one of the main reasons why I was so disappointed about Zeref and August because they were hyped to be the most powerful mages with the most different magic atributes and in the end even Natsu had alsmost shown more different magic atributed than Zeref. :biblethump :twitch :yodawg
 

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Well imo even the most powerful ones can be portrayed as good and even give them a good downfall, the problem is that most of the authors are lazy or their editors don't allow it because they think they know everything better lol.

I mean there was no reason for Mashima to not use more spells and make Zeref more like Hades with many different spells and magic atributes instead to make him a brawler who only fights with his fits. That was 100% lazy from Mashima.
Considering that he mastered the black arts, and FT just came back from fighting a cult full of black arts users. Black Arts would not be much help or would be considered not needed, much like how Yhwach had all the Quincy powers but sticks with Almighty.
 

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Hades was indeed the true archmage of the series. Among S12, GS was a bit better as he had a lot of diverse magic. Jellal had potential as archmage. But Mashima likes to make him 'GC' man. I honestly would have liked Erza displaying some cool sword style magic than always spamming Nakama speech in red pants. I won't forgive Mashima for bad Erza fights.

I like S12 designs and power too. Had a lot of expectation too. But the moment, Ajeel was saved by August from Laxus nuke, all expectations were watered. And no proper backstory too other than to some. I'd have liked to see Dimaria or Invel backstory and why they followed Zeref.

Irene's fight with Erza was literally cancer. Especially that awful meteor slashing.
 

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Well that would go either way for Ajeel, but considering he managed to almost beat Erza if she did not have help would redeem that moment.

Featwise,Zeref and Acno are sucking hard
I would kindly disagree with how they are basically universe enders at their peak. Zeref going to destroy the world to create a new one, and Acno devouring an entire dimension of magic.
 

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Considering that he mastered the black arts, and FT just came back from fighting a cult full of black arts users. Black Arts would not be much help or would be considered not needed, much like how Yhwach had all the Quincy powers but sticks with Almighty.
He could still use black arts, black arts which wasn't use from the Avatar members. Or use other magics, he was (statement from Makarov and Irene a genius in magic overall and not only in black arts) so it would make much more sense to use many different spells and combined spells from different magics insteatd to be a brawler what even doesn't fit Zeref as a character.

The different with Almighty is that this is a cheat power, you could maybe compare it with Zerefs death/curese magic, he could easily kill most of the cast with it, same like Yhwach, but the plot doesn't allowed it.

Plus the readers saw allmost every abilitiy from the Sternritters so there was no reason to show them again. In the case of Zeref he is part of a manga filled with magic, so Mashima could use a lot of different magic and spells which the readers never saw in the manga. It was only Mashimas Lazy, sadly.


Hades was indeed the true archmage of the series. Among S12, GS was a bit better as he had a lot of diverse magic.
I really wished Mashima would make GS better and the fight against Jellal too.

Jellal had potential as archmage. But Mashima likes to make him 'GC' man.
GC my most hated spell because of that. He can use so much different magic, but he let him only cast the same spell lol lazy af.


I honestly would have liked Erza displaying some cool sword style magic than always spamming Nakama speech in red pants. I won't forgive Mashima for bad Erza fights.
Erzas fights until the Tenrou arc were good imo. After the first ts her battle began to be boring. :/



I like S12 designs and power too. Had a lot of expectation too. But the moment, Ajeel was saved by August from Laxus nuke, all expectations were watered. And no proper backstory too other than to some. I'd have liked to see Dimaria or Invel backstory and why they followed Zeref.
Sane, I wished we would have seen the backstory of the S12. :(
Yeah Invel and Dimarias were one of the backstories I wanted to see too.


Irene's fight with Erza was literally cancer. Especially that awful meteor slashing.
Yep, imo they should have lost against her, but Erza and loose a battle? :yodawg


It's only thanks to Mashimas laziness that most of the good parts are written bad.
 

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I'd have rather seen Zeref as a cool archmage with some cool hand seals and incantations than a typical Shonen brawler. Didnt feel his connection to Natsu more than to his parents justified either. Mashima should have shown about it more as well.

GS vs Jellal fight had the potential to be one of the coolest archmage fight. But Mashima wanted GS to be someone who preyed on sins for no reason and finished the fight with an enhanced GC again. Smh. GC is my most hated spell in the whole series tbh.

Agree about Erza fights. The cancer started from the last part of Azuma vs Erza fight.

Should have avoided that meteor slashing. It was so terrible. Way worse than Erza losing.
 

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I'd have rather seen Zeref as a cool archmage with some cool hand seals and incantations than a typical Shonen brawler. Didnt feel his connection to Natsu more than to his parents justified either. Mashima should have shown about it more as well.
Yep. I wished that too, maybe he will show us more in the 100YQ but I doubt it.


GS vs Jellal fight had the potential to be one of the coolest archmage fight. But Mashima wanted GS to be someone who preyed on sins for no reason and finished the fight with an enhanced GC again. Smh. GC is my most hated spell in the whole series tbh.
I don't understand it too, this was the perfect time to show us both character with their fullpower with many spells etc.
But thanks to Mashima we got another GC spell :/


Agree about Erza fights. The cancer started from the last part of Azuma vs Erza fight.

Should have avoided that meteor slashing. It was so terrible. Way worse than Erza losing.
Yeah, that was awful how Mashima wrote the battle.
 

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I would kindly disagree with how they are basically universe enders at their peak. Zeref going to destroy the world to create a new one, and Acno devouring an entire dimension of magic.
Reseting the world is hax and eating RoT means nothing as we have no idea how big that dimension is
The cancer started from the last part of Azuma vs Erza fight.
Thanks god someone else realize that.All fights before were fine but with Azuma every Erza fight went shit
 

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Reseting the world is hax and eating RoT means nothing as we have no idea how big that dimension is


Thanks god someone else realize that.All fights before were fine but with Azuma every Erza fight went shit
Not really, it involves destroying the world as it details in the explanation of the spell. Time is a universal concept so it would make sense that the RoT would be such a size, much like that of Age Seal which is another RoT, and when referring to time in other instances they say they are parallel universes in the story.
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He could still use black arts, black arts which wasn't use from the Avatar members. Or use other magics, he was (statement from Makarov and Irene a genius in magic overall and not only in black arts) so it would make much more sense to use many different spells and combined spells from different magics insteatd to be a brawler what even doesn't fit Zeref as a character.

The different with Almighty is that this is a cheat power, you could maybe compare it with Zerefs death/curese magic, he could easily kill most of the cast with it, same like Yhwach, but the plot doesn't allowed it.

Plus the readers saw allmost every abilitiy from the Sternritters so there was no reason to show them again. In the case of Zeref he is part of a manga filled with magic, so Mashima could use a lot of different magic and spells which the readers never saw in the manga. It was only Mashimas Lazy, sadly.




I really wished Mashima would make GS better and the fight against Jellal too.


GC my most hated spell because of that. He can use so much different magic, but he let him only cast the same spell lol lazy af.




Erzas fights until the Tenrou arc were good imo. After the first ts her battle began to be boring. :/





Sane, I wished we would have seen the backstory of the S12. :(
Yeah Invel and Dimarias were one of the backstories I wanted to see too.




Yep, imo they should have lost against her, but Erza and loose a battle? :yodawg


It's only thanks to Mashimas laziness that most of the good parts are written bad.
To be fair those would likely be just more off battlefield kind of magic, like R system, Books of Zeref, Eclipse Gate, transforming a dragon, etc..

Actually there are more than one type of Sternritter letters as Uryu proved with having A as well. And there are some Letters were not really shown or at least explained.
 
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To be fair those would likely be just more off battlefield kind of magic, like R system, Books of Zeref, Eclipse Gate, transforming a dragon, etc..
We don't really know, we only know the statements from the manga and if Hiro wanted it, he could easily make strong and dangerous black art magics, black arts which only Zeref can use.

It's sad that Hades gave the FT members more despair than Zeref and his Spriggans (which were the strongest mages in the manga during the alvarez arc).


Actually there are more than one type of Sternritter letters as Uryu proved with having A as well. And there are some Letters were not really shown or at least explained.
You're right, not every letter was explained or shown but compared to Mashima and FT , that Kubo was forced to rush his manga, look how the manga ended, it was terrible but Kubo now helps the anime team and changes some stuffs from the last arc or explains the things. So Yhwach and the remaining Sternritter in the anime have the chance to shine and even if not, they were better portrayed with better feats than the Spriggans or Zeref.

We will never get the chance to see Zeref as a archmage, we could only get some new stuff from the Spriggans if Hiro wants to show them again. But even then this could be a mess, look what he done with God Serena, we barely got more infos about him until he was rushed....again....
 

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We don't really know, we only know the statements from the manga and if Hiro wanted it, he could easily make strong and dangerous black art magics, black arts which only Zeref can use.

It's sad that Hades gave the FT members more despair than Zeref and his Spriggans (which were the strongest mages in the manga during the alvarez arc).



You're right, not every letter was explained or shown but compared to Mashima and FT , that Kubo was forced to rush his manga, look how the manga ended, it was terrible but Kubo now helps the anime team and changes some stuffs from the last arc or explains the things. So Yhwach and the remaining Sternritter in the anime have the chance to shine and even if not, they were better portrayed with better feats than the Spriggans or Zeref.

We will never get the chance to see Zeref as a archmage, we could only get some new stuff from the Spriggans if Hiro wants to show them again. But even then this could be a mess, look what he done with God Serena, we barely got more infos about him until he was rushed....again....
We don't really know, we only know the statements from the manga and if Hiro wanted it, he could easily make strong and dangerous black art magics, black arts which only Zeref can use.

It's sad that Hades gave the FT members more despair than Zeref and his Spriggans (which were the strongest mages in the manga during the alvarez arc).



You're right, not every letter was explained or shown but compared to Mashima and FT , that Kubo was forced to rush his manga, look how the manga ended, it was terrible but Kubo now helps the anime team and changes some stuffs from the last arc or explains the things. So Yhwach and the remaining Sternritter in the anime have the chance to shine and even if not, they were better portrayed with better feats than the Spriggans or Zeref.

We will never get the chance to see Zeref as a archmage, we could only get some new stuff from the Spriggans if Hiro wants to show them again. But even then this could be a mess, look what he done with God Serena, we barely got more infos about him until he was rushed....again....
And those statements can mean a lot of things, especially for someone who wants to die so in hindsight it kind of make sense. Sure Hades was intimidating until he lost his heart and was reduced to a crippled old man. But black arts spells he created are something that other people can do, something that had the power of etherion which Natsu can eat to gain power, or smashed a gate with similar power. Remember Zeref is a person of contradictio, meaning that most of his legends were mostly stem from fanatics who Zeref had no association with.

I wouldn’t say that the Stern Ritter have better feats than the Spriggans, while they have numbers, the Spriggan have quality on their side with having most counters or combined abilities that many of the Stern Ritters have. The only ones that would likely stand a chance is possibly the SS, Juham and Yhwach, we see how strong Spriggans can be From the current series against powerful beings like human form or nerfed dragon DGs. Sure it is a shame we did not get to see a flashback as to how he got those DS powers or maybe the full Wizard Saints, but at least we got his elements and some new abilities.
 

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Lmao, you guys still take this manga seriously? :yodawg
Ride or die. We can't stop sadly. I've invested a lot in this manga. Anyways, where you been? How you doing
 

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Lmao, you guys still take this manga seriously? :yodawg
Cant stop at this point sadly

I know the manga is turbo trash but still
 

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Honestly should have just stopped at Alvarez, at least change the premise to actual Gods instead of Dragon Gods, we had enough of them already.
 

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Honestly should have just stopped at Alvarez, at least change the premise to actual Gods instead of Dragon Gods, we had enough of them already.
Other than that Selene bs, nothing was wrong with Dragon Gods. I liked all the four of them so far except Selene.
 

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Other than that Selene bs, nothing was wrong with Dragon Gods. I liked all the four of them so far except Selene.
Merc was decent

Dragon Aldoron has 0 personality but GS Aldoron was awesome.His view as a Dragon is understandable and i like realistic standpoints.He was the best DG so far

Selene was great at the start.Manipulative,just wanted chaos and didnt care about anything.Not a big goal itself just messing around because you can.Also not bad imo.But after her "lose" to Suzaku it went downhill,In fact i think Selene is the worst character in FT

Dog was to random hence nobody cares about him

Viernes so far did nothing.We need to wait

Igneel has screentime presence which makes him good

Like any other villain group,the quality ranges between them.Selene is without a doubt trash,thats for sure.The rest is up to your taste
 
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