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all out battle of teamwork. includes every member, even dead ones. who would win? and who would die?
Butler's are kinda of an Extension of the family their care takers and semi-body guards when certain issues arises. They don't pare take on Assassinations, But the Z Family needs the help here.Let's consider who the Zs have available, using all the characters available (including people who may have died):
Maha was suppose to be Zeno's father but Tagoshi Retconned this and he is his Grandfather, I believe it's safe to say Zeno's Father is dead. Kalluto impressively is a Spider at his age but obviously is probably their weakest member aside from their special intelligence membersMaha, Zeno's father, Zeno, Silva, Killua, Ilumi, Kalluto (who is good enough to get a spot in Spiders), Gotoh, Tsubone, Amane, Canary, and possibly other butlers.
Come on Phanton Hisoka is over kill! He's basically Neck&Neck with Illumi. And his Tattoo was a fake he was only a Spider to fight Chorollo, which real Spider members seem to have no interest in. I don't think we should count him Just cause he was faking his allegianceSpiders have 13 guys (including Hisoka).
Shalunark is part of this group but his ability is just easily replaceable. He actually isn't bad when he controls himself but Yea these guys are gonna get slaughtered. But Shizuku sucking out blood is pretty darn kool, Lol anyways The Spiders are gonna be protecting these members in any fight. Which seems to be Uvo and Nobunaga's dutyOf those, Kuratopi, Shizuku, and Pakunoda are definitely not combat specialists at all. They're there for their noncombat special abilities and none of them impact the combat in a meaningful way.
I see Ilumi tactically taking him out fast with a little help from Kalluto would make the process Swifter not like he needs any assistance.Shalunark probably won't be able to do anything useful because he'd get killed pretty early on given the Zs can easily figure out the guy that's always hiding way in the back must have a pretty nasty ability.
Chrollo lacks physical strength among the Spider's but his Hatsu, Skill and knowledge are most likely #1 in the Spiders. Chrollo obviously has an assortment of Hatsu but he was defensive due to the fact that he was up against Zeno and Silva, I'm also betting on it that he knew if Illumi got rid of the Dons they wouldn't proceed with their Assassination, So he was confident in his ability to go on the defensive and hopefully gain some abilities from the 2. That being said he most likely holds some nasty offensive abilities in his book, that could match Zeno's Dragon Head n Dragon Dive, I believe that's why Zeno made that comment.So you got 11 versus 9 or 10 so the Zs have a slight numbers advantage. Perhaps the weaker end of the Spiders are stronger than the weaker end of the Zs, but then the stronger end of the Zs are stronger than strongest of the Spiders (e.g. Zeno can definitely kill Kuroro, his only concern is whether it'll be a double KO).
Shalnurak is one of their Key strategist. Also and The Spiders are Prideful not stupid they would take The Z's 1 on 1 but not more than that. They understand their skill and strength, they have a pre-teen from their family in their ranks they know they aren't too be trifled with which probably why they didn't go after Silva and the Z's in the past. Only Body Guard I see being Capable is Tsunaborne who seems to be a skilled Nen user Amanme seems a lil skilled close to Canary but she seems to be Tsunaborne's Tranmurter user for her vehicle's, Aise from Tsunaborne they are gonna die pathetic deaths. Gotoh was capable too still not spider's level though.Now the key point is that the Spiders pretty much have no strategy whatsoever if not led by Kuroro. Most likely you'll see them walk up one at a time and get jumped by five Zs and die immediately without Kuroro. So the question is how long does Kuroro stay alive. The Zs seem to be quite aware that they need to take out the brain first and Kuroro at best can only double KO another Z and even that is iffy (double KO basically because we don't know what abilities he have, but that's the best he can do).
Re-read Gotoh's death he had a good analysis on how to counter Hisoka's abilities given their description but Hisoka disposed of him with ease. Spider's aren't gonna describe their Hatsu to him and he seems to be an enhancer who relies heavily on his coin ability I believe Franklin's Emission to be stronger despite him being an enhancer.Remember that Silva already killed a member of the Spiders and the Spiders did not even try to hunt him down. There's a pretty significant gap between the most powerful Zs and the most powerful Spiders, and Zs actually have a lot of powerful guys in general (butlers are at least a match for Spiders in physical abilities, given Gotoh gave Hisoka a pretty good fight). Kuroro has superior tactics compared to anyone in the Zs, but the Zs are experienced enough to know that they need to eliminate the brain first.
The Spiders are A class criminals but there is never an indication that a class S exists.I don't know about that. Spiders are class A (or S? I don't remember) criminals in the HxH world which means they're pretty much as bad as it gets. I doubt Killua is top tier simply because of that ability. I mean Yupi was having trouble hitting Shoot as well so obviously he's an Uvo type sorta guy that tanks blows and dishes them out rather than bobbing and weaving.
Maha is older than Netero you don't think these High ranking up and coming youngster can do him in with a little bit of teamwork?I fear Illumi in this fight. He is at the same level of Hisoka, at least he says so. And Hisoka must be somewhere close to Kuroro to try to challenge him, so I think that actually Silva, Maha and Zeno are overkill together. Let's remember that Maha was the guy who has perfect killing scores, being Netero the only survivor after his fights.
Killua with Kanmuru can easily outmatch any speeder as Feitan.
But the Z kids don't have nearly a quarter of the experience that the spiders have, to be honest. So If they fight, I expect only one or two survivors of each side.
Thats not true, however. While they would lose their main leader, the other members would be more than capable of coming up with plans. While Chrollo was getting ready to take down Neon in Yorknew, he told Shalnark to get the others to deal with the Mafia, placing Shalnark in charge while he was away, so he could take the position of leader if needed. Franklin is also intelligent and wise, making him a likely replacement leader.Without Kuroro the rest of the Spiders have no real strategy/teamwork to speak with so they'll just picked off 1 by 1,
Hmm what makes you think the Zoldyck family has stronger fighters? Chrollo seems stronger than Zeno or Silva individually. Feitan is ridiculously strong and is probably on par with Illumi if not stronger. His hatsu is ridiculously powerful. He didn't even take that much damage and he utterly destroyed that ant queen who was very durable.There's actually a thread like this already, I believe it's on the next page.
But umm The Zodlycks Are likely to Win having more of an Offensive Force.
Zeno, Silva, Illumi Alone can kill the best Spiders who IMO would be
Chrollo, Nobunaga, Feitan, Sphinx and Franklin..
The Assasins top members are just as or even more dangerous than the Spider. But the Spiders have the numbers in quality.
The Zoldyck's have butlers that are able to fight too but at best they would be distractions or sacrificial pawns.
If they were to ever clash, I see a truce being called, they would most likely wipe each other out