Biden is helping a genocide happen. Allowing it to happen is just as bad as helping a genocide happen, especially against a population that can't fight back.By pursuing a genocide, instead of simply allowing it to happen. It's one thing to not care if a genocide is happening. It's another thing altogether to aid in it happening because your voter base hates Muslims.
It's "Letting a genocide happen" vs. "helping a genocide happen".
Which one is worse?
Biden Wants Arms Deals With Israel to Be Done in Complete Secrecy, Without Congress
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The Biden administration once again bypasses Congress on an emergency weapons sale to Israel
For the second time this month, the Biden administration is bypassing Congress to approve an emergency weapons sale to Israel.
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Biden has proven to be evil. Trump has not proven he's that evil, yet.
Biden is in no way helpful, at all. Muslims and Palestinian Americans know a lot more than you think they do, especially when Dems keep harassing them with the same points you've been making.Sure. I just wanted to make sure we all understood it. Because none of us are claiming that Biden is super helpful to Muslim Americans or Palestinian Americans specifically. We're just saying we know who definitely isn't.
No, Biden is a pure Zionist, and he's stated that clearly.Biden has an unenviable position right now, sure. He has to respond in certain ways for obvious political reasons.
Israel are our allies. Hamas is attacking our allies. We have allegiance with Israel, not Palestine. Meaning outside of being "the good guys", we don't have any obligation to the Gaza strip. Any aid offered to quell the plight of the Palestinian people is a privilege. Politically we don't owe them anything, but we DO owe allegiance to our literal allies.
There's no room to make a moral stance and say "Hey Israel, we're breaking up with you if you don't stop killing Palestinian children." It just doesn't work like that.
Hamas is not attacking anyone. They're defending themselves and Palestinians, while Israel is scapegoating Hamas to justify the genocide. That's a fact. USA being Israel's ally does not justify helping them murder innocent people, especially when other countries have called out Israel and even severed ties with them.
US is an evil empire, and Biden is as evil as they come. Claiming that offering aid to Palestinian people is a privilege is a horrible statement to make, and it's an example of how liberals are hurting Biden's chances of winning. Once again, you guys are showing that you're no better than Trump or his supporters.
Biden is actively hurting Palestinians and doing a horrible job of sending aid to them. Barely any better than your scenario because he's sending expired food, and trucks that are being blocked by Zionists.Barely anything is not nothing. Not only will Trump do nothing to help Palestinians, but he'll actively try to hurt them. THAT'S why he's worse than Biden. It's literally:
Biden: I'm not going to stop the genocide, but I'll help Palestinians a little bit.
Trump: I'm not going to stop the genocide. I'm not going to help Palestinians at all. And I'm going to actively try to hurt Palestinians when the opportunity presents itself.
Trump might be better in that he could help Palestinians just to look good.
Thanks for proving you don't believe in a democracy. Biden is not the right person, and even if he was, the many people who believe that shouldn't have to vote for him if they don't think he is. Biden has to earn the votes, not be obligated just because Trump is worse. Biden also doesnt' give a shit about the protesters' right to protest. The only difference is that Trump would encourage violence outright, while Biden has passively encouraged violence against protesters. And if we're being fair, Trump has earned the votes more than Biden has, in 2024.No we aren't, because we're not the ones that are going to let the guy who tried to overthrow the election once already win. We're voting for the right person. The people that won't are sabotaging the election. Those protests you love so much are done when Trump is back in office. He gassed protestors so that he could take a picture with a bible. He didn't give a shit about their right to protest, his right to virtue signal was more important.
I don't want to vote for Biden either. I don't believe in him either. But I have a responsibility as an American citizen to fight for the nation I live in, and the only true weapon I have, is my vote. For every woman who's gonna die trying to force birth from an ectopic pregnancy because they can't get an abortion. For every gay and lesbian person who's turned away from adoption agencies because 90% of adoption agencies are religious organizations and won't allow gays to adopt children that need loving families. For every trans person turned down for gender-affirming care or are banned from entering spaces that their expressed gender aligns with. For every person of color who's kids are being raised in a public schooling system where conservatives want to rewrite history to take away anything in the curriculum that explains systemic racism or the racist origins of America. For everyone that's not a straight white Christian male that doesn't want to live under a theocracy, whether they believe in a different God or no God at all.
These are the things I'm fighting for, and that fight is an uphill battle with a Republican as president. And the only thing Biden has to do in order to motivate you to vote for him, is NOT be the guy that wants to stand in the way of all of these things. That's good e-fucking-nough for anyone who claims to be any kind of ally to marginalized groups. If you're going to cry about Biden not doing enough, what you're really saying is you're fucking selfish, because your one SPECIFIC pet peeve isn't being tended to, and you're willing to abandon all the people I listed because Biden isn't perfect.
And in this particular situation, that one pet peeve is... the Israel/Palestine conflict.
Everything that's been happening in several states under Biden? Women have been arrested for miscarriages, and transgender women are still being murdered, under Biden. That argument won't fly with the left. Maybe if BIden fought harder or looked like he was fighting hard, then maybe the left might have still voted for him, but Biden was losing support even before Oct 7.
Selfish because I want other people to stop being murdered?? That makes no sense. Nothing about the Palestinians being murdered benefits me or most supporters in the US, but we care because it's called being a fucking human.
I will not be responsible for any of these, nor will those who did not vote. Biden and Dems alone would be.But you're not responsible for those. You WILL be responsible for every single one that Trump is actively choosing to cause though if you help him into office by not voting for Biden. So go right ahead and kill some Palestinian kids for the sake of social clout. I hope their suffering is worth it.
Besides, PALESTINIAN KIDS ARE ALREADY BEING KILLED!! I know you don't understand much about this or its history, but Biden has literally been helping Israel kill Palestinian children for months!
Unlike Biden and Harris, I don't care about social clout. I have humanity and morals (to a degree, which we talked about many pages ago). If you can look at pictures and videos of destruction and deaths that Israel has caused and still say the things you are now, you're beyond fucked up. Especially when you refuse to understand how many promises Biden broke or didn't carry out, and how much little effort he's put into trying to carry out his promises.
I googled how much it'd cost to end homelessness and how much it'd cost to end hunger. While $3.5billion would not be enough for either, it'd still be a step forward in that direction. Same with student debt, when so many people are struggling.The USA gave Israel $3.5B total last year. The total budget for the USA was $6.3T last year. To bring this to a micro-economic perspective,
3,500,000,000/6,300,000,000,000 = 0.00056, or 0.05% of the budget.
The median family budget in the USA is about $72,000.
0.05% of $72,000 is about $40, or about $0.10 daily.
If all of Israel's aid were recalled and distributed equally amongst US citizens it would equal to $10 per person.
Your calculations make no sense.
I never equated Israel getting money to it being obstacle to zero student loans, free healthcare, and other things. But to those that aren't blind, it makes no sense to claim US does not have money to help its people out, while giving foreign countries billions of dollars in aid.Again. Voters do not give a fuck about Gaza, and Israel getting aid is not the thing standing between them having zero student loans, free healthcare, a house, or whatever you might think it is they're entitled to. This whole argument you're making is an emotional appeal and not logical. You seem to have zero understanding of Geopolitics and consequences. Israel isn't a "fund or don't fund" it's a "fund or someone else will fund." Like them or not they're a global leader in missile defense, cyber security, and various other armaments.
If Israel wasn't attacking Iran or Palestine, then Iran and Hamas would not be attacking them. Hamas also can barely afford to do much.Due to point 3, and the fact that Hamas (possibly Iran too, since USA isn't backing them anymore) shoots thousands of missiles into Israel pretty often, Israel starts taking real damage from enemy forces.
Stupid take. You have not been keeping up with the current events, or you're just going by whatever biased shill you read.This point is what really drives it home. You don't get to say you care about the Palestinians while simultaneously smirking at the idea of handing the 2024 election to Donald Trump. As individuals we have to work within the confines of what we have available, and no one person (even the president) can fix the situation in Gaza.
Trump sees the war as a PR crisis, and Biden sees it as a humanitarian crisis. Trump is all for having anyone who was protesting on campuses expelled from campuses, as well as having any peaceful pro-Palestine protesters deported and their student visas revoked. Trump wants Israel to get in there and "end things fast" (which we all know what that means). Biden wants to reduce civilian casualties and work toward a two-state solution. Anyone who wants to give their vote to Trump (by not voting for Biden) and claims they care about Palestinians may as well be over there be piloting the drones doing the killings themselves.
Which is probably a shame as Clinton would have won 2016, as she had the majority of votes despite her bad campaigning.You forgot an important detail in that scenario: Israel has nukes. Any country would use nukes when faced with an existential crisis like you mention.
Yeah, i don't see that as possible. I'd settle for a simple majority deciding who is president but according to US folk that's apparently tyranny...
Also, recently Hamas agreed to a ceasefire with conditions, but Israel refused, and now the families of hostages are even more pissed off at Israel. At this point, if people think Israel actually cares about the hostages, then they're just brainwashed dumbasses.