Theory Analysis of Goddess Elizabeth's Power Level

[OtakuFreak]

She has physical strength though,she was pulling Giant Diane from the above.

Sure, she's not completely without physical strength - but it just doesn't compare to the Four Archangels or other individuals who are at the same PL. She specialises in magic, that is her strength in comparison to everyone else.

At best, Elizabeth's physical strength (e.g durability, speed etc) are above average, but still inferior to everyone at her tier - but she compensates by having stronger magic.

Just my two sense.

well yeah as I just said she's 250k

Until I see more of Ludoshel's power, I'm very weary of giving Elizabeth this figure. 200,000 is a confident number to rely on ATM though.

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

Elizabeth is 250k.
yeah and why not after all she is the daughter of a god.
now most people would say that ludo and eliz are same then how is she having higher pl but ludo is also at 251k .
here's why
Ludo in his human body would be at max be using 80 percent of his full power so his full power would be 1. 25× more so
when we multiply 1.25×201000 then it becomes 251450 approximately 251k

Or you know,she actually has a higher overall better stat only thanks to tremendeous magical power ( mostly support oriented,because she really a pacifist),but loses in every other area. For example when her power just awakened it was visible and affect the Capital,but she still hugely lacks in every other area ( combat, durability,speed, strength etc. ).

 

[JOA20]

I don't doubt that Elizabeth has huge magic stat, and her potential may be close to Meliodas' and Zeldris', since they're all children of a God.

As for her being around 200k, well... I'll just see what Nakaba says.

 

[sobreno]

I don't doubt that Elizabeth has huge magic stat, and her potential may be close to Meliodas' and Zeldris', since they're all children of a God.

As for her being around 200k, well... I'll just see what Nakaba says.

How she is close to Mel's potential when he is above the Gods lmao.

The DK literally stated that only Mel is DK material.

Lol at her and Zeldoris being close. Particularly her when she lack horribly battle prowess.

Even Zeldoris got that next week lmao.

 

[Estarossa173]

Her power level can be anything. Nakaba will write whatever he wants, logic be damned.

This is the same guy who had king fodderize 4C Mael and had Meliodas unleash a new BS power that lets him do significant damage to the Demon King.

Though, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s just below or equal to Prime Meliodas.

 

[sobreno]

Sure, she's not completely without physical strength - but it just doesn't compare to the Four Archangels or other individuals who are at the same PL. She specialises in magic, that is her strength in comparison to everyone else.

At best, Elizabeth's physical strength (e.g durability, speed etc) are above average, but still inferior to everyone at her tier - but she compensates by having stronger magic.

Just my two sense.



Until I see more of Ludoshel's power, I'm very weary of giving Elizabeth this figure. 200,000 is a confident number to rely on ATM though.

They are comparable in magic power too and he has the edge thanks to his grace.

Remember? She is graceless and lack any divine power lmao.

+ he totally dominates her in physical department.

In battle prowess here, there is no contest, you cannot a single logic argument that she is better than him in a single category.

Lol at her Ark being better and versatile.
You know the meaning of versatile? That mean doing different type of Ark, other than the classic one and here, Ludo is the Goddess who has the most versatile Ark:
1) He did the classic one.
2) the laser type one
3) the kamehameha type one
4) the Omega type one with a timer on it lmao.

That is what I call " feats ".

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Her power level can be anything. Nakaba will write whatever he wants, logic be damned.

This is the same guy who had king fodderize 4C Mael and had Meliodas unleash a new BS power that lets him do significant damage to the Demon King.

Though, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s just below or equal to Prime Meliodas.

It isn't.

No one makes a remark on her power during the battle with Mael.
Not the sins about how " overwhelming " her presence and magic is like King.

She is just pathetic and helpless there.

That is her showing and of course, you let that slide lmao.
But when Sakura is useless, the whole world bashes on her, the irony.

 

[T25]

Her power level can be anything. Nakaba will write whatever he wants, logic be damned.

This is the same guy who had king fodderize 4C Mael and had Meliodas unleash a new BS power that lets him do significant damage to the Demon King.

Though, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s just below or equal to Prime Meliodas.

How much logic did you use when you tried to rationalize the king event? Or the Mel event?

They are comparable in magic power too and he has the edge thanks to his grace.

Remember? She is graceless and lack any divine power lmao.

+ he totally dominates her in physical department.

In battle prowess here, there is no contest, you cannot a single logic argument that she is better than him in a single category.

Lol at her Ark being better and versatile.
You know the meaning of versatile? That mean doing different type of Ark, other than the classic one and here, Ludo is the Goddess who has the most versatile Ark:
1) He did the classic one.
2) the laser type one
3) the kamehameha type one
4) the Omega type one with a timer on it lmao.

That is what I call " feats ".

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It isn't.

No one makes a remark on her power during the battle with Mael.
Not the sins about how " overwhelming " her presence and magic is like King.

She is just pathetic and helpless there.

That is her showing and of course, you let that slide lmao.
But when Sakura is useless, the whole world bashes on her, the irony.

You call her helpless when she heals king from bleeding to death. Call her a “weak little princess” but then say that she and ludo “are comparable in magic,” ludos forthright strength. Repeatedly state how no one remarks on her power yet call a remark, that sets up a direct power relationship involving her and two of some of the strongest cast members, “bias.” You state that Mel has a rich background and you defend the power that is revealed through this background, yet treat Eli as if she has no background from which we will learn of these things. And you speak of irony?

Sobreno, you live in your own head in this matter. You can not have these points that you would like to present to people to be acknowledged, as you should wish it to, as credible and reasonable so long as you continue to act this way.

 

[sobreno]

How much logic did you use when you tried to rationalize the king event? Or the Mel event?

You call her helpless when she heals king from bleeding to death. Call her a “weak little princess” but then say that she and ludo “are comparable in magic,” ludos forthright strength. Repeatedly state how no one remarks on her power yet call a remark, that sets up a direct power relationship involving her and two of some of the strongest cast members, “bias.” You state that Mel has a rich background and you defend the power that is revealed through this background, yet treat Eli as if she has no background from which we will learn of these things. And you speak of irony?

Sobreno, you live in your own head in this matter. You can not have these points that you would like to present to people to be acknowledged, as you should wish it to, as credible and reasonable so long as you continue to act this way.

Yeah, despite being comparable to him in raw Goddess magic, tho he have the edge by having a grace unlike her, she is still helpless in battle and doesn't provide battle offensive support unlike him. Just playing the Sakura.

Indeed, she has zero battle background lmao.
Point, that you failed to understand and notice. Hence why she isn't a member of the 4 Archangels and lack a grace.
And yes, re-read the Mael fight, who was the damsel in distress that needed to be rescued? Who was helpless and suggested to run away with a panicked face? Who was just there as a background? The irony with you is strong.

Please, don't make me laugh, when you talk about her, it is like she is Erza herself lmao.

 

[Mythoclast]

Whatever the fuck Nakaba wants it to be.
But my guess would be around Ludociel's level..

 

[T25]

Yeah, despite being comparable to him in raw Goddess magic, tho he have the edge by having a grace unlike her, she is still helpless in battle and doesn't provide battle offensive support unlike him. Just playing the Sakura.

Indeed, she has zero battle background lmao.
Point, that you failed to understand and notice. Hence why she isn't a member of the 4 Archangels and lack a grace.
And yes, re-read the Mael fight, who was the damsel in distress that needed to be rescued? Who was helpless and suggested to run away with a panicked face? Who was just there as a background? The irony with you is strong.

Please, don't make me laugh, when you talk about her, it is like she is Erza herself lmao.

Capable of ark. Indicated to be well versed in magic. Primarily the one that drastically improves team endurance. Support is support. And support is not deserving of being obsessively called “useless”

“Zero battle background”...you omniscient now? Yes I failed to notice the details of a background we don’t have yet. So you knew that Mel was “the most powerful demon” before it was stated or shown? You knew about “assault mode” before the escanor fight? You knew about Mel’s original magic before chandler indicated he taught him full counter? You knew the details of Mel and Eli’s curse before chapter 224? You know how Mel and Eli met too right? You seem to know quite a bit about characters backgrounds well in advance.

Okay “who was the damsel in distress” in the mael incident right? There was Eli. We’ve “established” that. There was king who was unconscious and bleeding to death. There was gowther who wouldn’t fight back and wasn’t paying attention. There was mael who was losing his mind with the entire premise of the battle being to save him. There was everyone but hawk and Eli who were falling to there deaths. Everyone when hit by maels attack, saved by Gowther. Everyone when Diane and oslow arrived. Everyone when oslow shielded them etc.

“Who was helpless?” Everyone

“Who suggested to run with a panicked face?” Eli

“Who was there just as background?”.....the sky?

Where am I ironic and may you give me its definition?

If you are so consistent, why aren’t you mocking this?

Sweating, shaking, looking panicked. He won’t turn out to be drastically stronger right?

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The magic stat seems to indicate magic power. As in the amount of the energy source rather than the strength of the magic itself. The strength of the magic is evident in the portrayal of its range of effects. This is quite reasonable to explain why the number does not give you the outcome of a matchup, is it not?

 

[sobreno]

Capable of ark. Indicated to be well versed in magic. Primarily the one that drastically improves team endurance. Support is support. And support is not deserving of being obsessively called “useless”

“Zero battle background”...you omniscient now? Yes I failed to notice the details of a background we don’t have yet. So you knew that Mel was “the most powerful demon” before it was stated or shown? You knew about “assault mode” before the escanor fight? You knew about Mel’s original magic before chandler indicated he taught him full counter? You knew the details of Mel and Eli’s curse before chapter 224? You know how Mel and Eli met too right? You seem to know quite a bit about characters backgrounds well in advance.

Okay “who was the damsel in distress” in the mael incident right? There was Eli. We’ve “established” that. There was king who was unconscious and bleeding to death. There was gowther who wouldn’t fight back and wasn’t paying attention. There was mael who was losing his mind with the entire premise of the battle being to save him. There was everyone but hawk and Eli who were falling to there deaths. Everyone when hit by maels attack, saved by Gowther. Everyone when Diane and oslow arrived. Everyone when oslow shielded them etc.

“Who was helpless?” Everyone

“Who suggested to run with a panicked face?” Eli

“Who was there just as background?”.....the sky?

Where am I ironic and may you give me its definition?

If you are so consistent, why aren’t you mocking this?

Sweating, shaking, looking panicked. He won’t turn out to be drastically stronger right?

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The magic stat seems to indicate magic power. As in the amount of the energy source rather than the strength of the magic itself. The strength of the magic is evident in the portrayal of its range of effects. This is quite reasonable to explain why the number does not give you the outcome of a matchup, is it not?

Capable of Ark? You means the useless Ark that didn't do shit during the Mael fiasco? Sure lol.

You can't read? I say support in an offensive sense, I know already that she is the healer and the doctor of the group. Like Sakura lmao.
She was still useless because she failed to heal King faster than usual.
And because of that, his dog lost his life.

I don't need to omniscient, I just look on her personality and her look and opinion toward fighting in general.
She hate it, doesn't seems to be interested and passionate by it hence why she is a pacifist.
That is why I said that she doesn't have a fighting background.

Ignoring that she was the damsel in distress in the entire operation of rescue? That it is for rescuing her that they are here?

That she was the first to suggest to run away?

At least, the rest actually fight back, they tried to fight, what about her? Nothing lmao.

She is just like a background doctor.

I don't see Meliodas asking the sins to run away and hides for their life in that scene.

Yes, and?

 

[Meliodaf]

Yeah, despite being comparable to him in raw Goddess magic, tho he have the edge by having a grace unlike her, she is still helpless in battle and doesn't provide battle offensive support unlike him. Just playing the Sakura.

Indeed, she has zero battle background lmao.
Point, that you failed to understand and notice. Hence why she isn't a member of the 4 Archangels and lack a grace.
And yes, re-read the Mael fight, who was the damsel in distress that needed to be rescued? Who was helpless and suggested to run away with a panicked face? Who was just there as a background? The irony with you is strong.

Please, don't make me laugh, when you talk about her, it is like she is Erza herself lmao.

Now that we can be sure that Mael wasn’t lying or exaggerating, Elizabeth’s Power Level is higher than both Sariel and Tarmiel’s and as high if not higher than Ludociel’s and Mael’s( Depending on the time of day) with no grace. Similar to how Zeldris and Meliodas are on par with or stronger than the highest rank Demons with no Commandments. That’s also a good point too. Chandler and Cusack have none of the Demon King’s power and are the highest ranked demons.

Don’t get me wrong she’s clearly not a fighter that’s why she takes the time to convert hordes of Demons rather than destroying them all but Elizabeth not having a grace is meaningless. She’s stronger than two Archangels definitely without one. And as strong if not stronger than two others who are only on her level because of their graces.

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I don't doubt that Elizabeth has huge magic stat, and her potential may be close to Meliodas' and Zeldris', since they're all children of a God.

As for her being around 200k, well... I'll just see what Nakaba says.

I think it would have to be around 200k. Mael said she was comparable to Meliodas and so was Ludociel and we saw Ludociel’s power level. For her to be comparable as Mael and Ludociel are she would have to be around 200k as that’s the Power Level they’re all around.

 

[sobreno]

Now that we can be sure that Mael wasn’t lying or exaggerating, Elizabeth’s Power Level is higher than both Sariel and Tarmiel’s and as high if not higher than Ludociel’s and Mael’s( Depending on the time of day) with no grace. Similar to how Zeldris and Meliodas are on par with or stronger than the highest rank Demons with no Commandments. That’s also a good point too. Chandler and Cusack have none of the Demon King’s power and are the highest ranked demons.

Don’t get me wrong she’s clearly not a fighter that’s why she takes the time to convert hordes of Demons rather than destroying them all but Elizabeth not having a grace is meaningless. She’s stronger than two Archangels definitely without one. And as strong if not stronger than two others who are only on her level because of their graces.

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I think it would have to be around 200k. Mael said she was comparable to Meliodas and so was Ludociel and we saw Ludociel’s power level. For her to be comparable as Mael and Ludociel are she would have to be around 200k as that’s the Power Level they’re all around.

Lmao, show me a feat from Elizabeth that imply that her power is higher than any Archangels without a grace. Go on.

He was biased because if she was that strong, the SD would make her an Archangel. Lol at her not having a grace being meaningless when the grace is literally the power of the SD. Same for the commandments, Mel and Zel had it from the DK.

You realize that both Mel and Zel are far stronger than any Demons besides the DK, particularly Mel with no commandments as he showed how he trashed the DK power from Zeldoris casually.

Because Chandler and Vusack were veterans demons, they retreated from battle.
They are the masters of the princes.

They have a solid fighting background unlike her, who was beyond pathetic during the Mael fiasco.

 

[Meliodaf]

Lmao, show me a feat from Elizabeth that imply that her power is higher than any Archangels without a grace. Go on.

He was biased because if she was that strong, the SD would make her an Archangel. Lol at her not having a grace being meaningless when the grace is literally the power of the SD. Same for the commandments, Mel and Zel had it from the DK.

You realize that both Mel and Zel are far stronger than any Demons besides the DK, particularly Mel with no commandments as he showed how he trashed the DK power from Zeldoris casually.

Because Chandler and Vusack were veterans demons, they retreated from battle.
They are the masters of the princes.

They have a solid fighting background unlike her, who was beyond pathetic during the Mael fiasco.

There’s no reason to believe Mael was lying. Especially now that we’ve seen Ludociel’s power. If she’s comparable to Meliodas than she’s around their level and she doesn’t have a grace. So chances are with no graces or outside help she’s stronger than them. Now that we know he was telling the truth about Ludociel there’s no reason to believe he was telling the truth about one and then lying about the other. Do you honestly believe he accurately analyzed the power of one and then decided to lie about the other? Not having a Grace is completely meaningless because it doesn’t mean she’s weak. Also it wouldn’t make her any less of a pacifist. So yes by Mael’s admission, Elizabeth is as strong as him, Ludociel and Meliodas and being on that level makes her definitively stronger than Sariel and Tarmiel. At this point it’s fact.


@OtakuFreak and @Undina I need your endless wells of Elizabeth knowledge

 

[sobreno]

There’s no reason to believe Mael was lying. Especially now that we’ve seen Ludociel’s power. If she’s comparable to Meliodas than she’s around their level and she doesn’t have a grace. So chances are with no graces or outside help she’s stronger than them. Now that we know he was telling the truth about Ludociel there’s no reason to believe he was telling the truth about one and then lying about the other. Do you honestly believe he accurately analyzed the power of one and then decided to lie about the other? Not having a Grace is completely meaningless because it doesn’t mean she’s weak. Also it wouldn’t make her any less of a pacifist. So yes by Mael’s admission, Elizabeth is as strong as him, Ludociel and Meliodas and being on that level makes her definitively stronger than Sariel and Tarmiel. At this point it’s fact.


@OtakuFreak and @Undina I need your endless wells of Elizabeth knowledge

He was lying because he is biased toward both of them.

Show me another characters stated the same exact things, like the SD for example since she is the head of that Clan.

Ludo himself stated that he is no match to Mael close to noon, called him the strongest.
Same for Sariel, the oldest of the 4 Archangel.
That makes 2.

Demon Gowther stated that as well, the ultimate proof is that the Holy War ended at his demise.
Even Ludo sacrificed himself lmao.

Yes, it is, not having a grace, mean that she wasn't recognized by her Mother, meaning that she hasn't what it takes to be an Archangel.
Mel and Zel had what it takes to be a commandment.

They were warriors unlike her.

She lack battle feat too, and you conveniently forgot that Mel is stronger than Mael by how he made him run away?

You are biased if you believe a single statement and ignoring feats, who are above any statements.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Show me another characters stated the same exact things, like the SD for example since she is the head of that Clan.

Pretty sure Nakaba's word is all you need when he confirmed that wings = power and Elizabeth's rival the AA's.

Now stop embarrassing yourself, you're the only one practically in denial here - even @MrSchmitty7 @Commanderaxe and other members of the United States of Mel have accepted her place in the 200,000 club.

Actually don't stop, you do make me laugh...

 

[sobreno]

Pretty sure Nakaba's word is all you need when he confirmed that wings = power and Elizabeth's rival the AA's.

Now stop embarrassing yourself, you're the only one practically in denial here - even @MrSchmitty7 @Commanderaxe and other members of the United States of Mel have accepted her place in the 200,000 club.

Actually don't stop, you do make me laugh...

Nope, several criteria matters, sure, I admit that her Goddess raw power of magic light is at least at that level thanks to her wings but she lack in order criteria like:
1) Physical one.
2) A grace to support her and combine her Goddess magic with it to be far more stronger and versatile.

Oh, believe me, they don't lmao.
They are just mocking you.

 

[Meliodaf]

He was lying because he is biased toward both of them.

Show me another characters stated the same exact things, like the SD for example since she is the head of that Clan.

Ludo himself stated that he is no match to Mael close to noon, called him the strongest.
Same for Sariel, the oldest of the 4 Archangel.
That makes 2.

Demon Gowther stated that as well, the ultimate proof is that the Holy War ended at his demise.
Even Ludo sacrificed himself lmao.

Yes, it is, not having a grace, mean that she wasn't recognized by her Mother, meaning that she hasn't what it takes to be an Archangel.
Mel and Zel had what it takes to be a commandment.

They were warriors unlike her.

She lack battle feat too, and you conveniently forgot that Mel is stronger than Mael by how he made him run away?

You are biased if you believe a single statement and ignoring feats, who are above any statements.

He was clearly not lying. Ludociel has a power level of 200k. She’s not the Warrior they are but she’s definitely as powerful. There’s a difference between the two. And as for feats of her power converting entire armies and purifying two Induras are enough for that as they were pressuring Ludociel. She has the power even if she isn’t the fighter they are. Giving her a grace wasn’t going to make her a fighter. So it is meaningless. Using feats are good for comparison and when we don’t have a clear idea of what someone can do. Mael has given us clear analysis of how powerful she is. He’s the strongest at noon yes but that doesn’t make Elizabeth any less comparable. Her power level is as high as Ludociel’s, Meliodas’s and Mael’s. She’s immensely powerful whether she’s a warrior or not.

 

[sobreno]

He was clearly not lying. Ludociel has a power level of 200k. She’s not the Warrior they are but she’s definitely as powerful. There’s a difference between the two. And as for feats of her power converting entire armies and purifying two Induras are enough for that as they were pressuring Ludociel. She has the power even if she isn’t the fighter they are. Giving her a grace wasn’t going to make her a fighter. So it is meaningless. Using feats are good for comparison and when we don’t have a clear idea of what someone can do. Mael has given us clear analysis of how powerful she is. He’s the strongest at noon yes but that doesn’t make Elizabeth any less comparable. Her power level is as high as Ludociel’s, Meliodas’s and Mael’s. She’s immensely powerful whether she’s a warrior or not.

Yes, he was, Ludo himself stated that he cannot " hope ", forgot the comparison, even hoping is impossible in his head and he is far smarter and intelligent than Mael.

And it is close to noon, not noon itself. Sariel and the entire Goddess share the same thoughts.
The proof? Who ended the Holy War? Yeah lmao.

Like I said, it isn't meaningless, the SD is the highest authority to decide about her army and military power, she is the damn leader lmao.
And she didn't include Elizabeth into her highest order, even when she is still young.

Nope, her feat isn't close to be compared to Mael, Mel and even Ludo.

Mel overpowered a power of a God casually with his darkness, feat noted to be impossible by Zeldoris.
Same feat that Ludo failed to do casually like Mel.

Mael in his biased line, compared Holy War Mel to them, not TC Mel or AM that he never used in the Holy War lmao.

TC Mel with 2nd Mark made Mael run away from battlefield.

All in all, feats and showing destroy his single and biased line and doesn't makes sense in the balance aspect.

 

[Meliodaf]

Yes, he was, Ludo himself stated that he cannot " hope ", forgot the comparison, even hoping is impossible in his head and he is far smarter and intelligent than Mael.

And it is close to noon, not noon itself. Sariel and the entire Goddess share the same thoughts.
The proof? Who ended the Holy War? Yeah lmao.

Like I said, it isn't meaningless, the SD is the highest authority to decide about her army and military power, she is the damn leader lmao.
And she didn't include Elizabeth into her highest order, even when she is still young.

Nope, her feat isn't close to be compared to Mael, Mel and even Ludo.

Mel overpowered a power of a God casually with his darkness, feat noted to be impossible by Zeldoris.
Same feat that Ludo failed to do casually like Mel.

Mael in his biased line, compared Holy War Mel to them, not TC Mel or AM that he never used in the Holy War lmao.

TC Mel with 2nd Mark made Mael run away from battlefield.

All in all, feats and showing destroy his single and biased line and doesn't makes sense in the balance aspect.

Unless this is your way of saying AM Mel has a Power Level of almost 300k, Mael didn’t lie and wasn’t biased. And it does make sense for the balance when you acknowledge that the Demon’s have the numbers. Also of course pacifist Elizabeth isn’t in the SD’s military. She’s a pacifist. Doesn’t make her any less powerful. She’s not the one child of a god to be weak. That’s absurd. In fact the one child of a god who was weak turned out to be a fake.