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First of all, thank you everyone for joining, hope you had fun!

The... blowout we got doesn't leave a LOT to analyse, but I think a lot of what was experimented here was positive. Won't quote much (if at all) because otherwise this post will be never-ending and I kinda wanna get it done already lol.

I wanted a straight up town vs mafia fight, and this way emphasise the nature of the game in a more controlled environment. Everyone had an active role to match the mechanic, but at the same time most were duds to both give highlight to day discussions and make town weaker since all the mechanics were in their favour. This did NOT play like I intended, at all.

-Originally, it was a 5 vs 12 game with 5 weak mafias, but when it became a 16 people game and stuff had to go. Among the different changes and buffs, mafia "lost" their boss and gained a detective to learn the board faster, only for that player to be investigated n2 by a sane detective with different results.........

-4 detectives on the town side with a repeated bad sanity to keep everyone on their toes. Only one was legit.

-One prostitute and one sane doctor to complete the trifecta.

-A naive doctor paired with the hider as masons. Here I was hoping that the doctor would heal a player in the first nights and that the hider would hide on the same target, with potential for a 2x1 kill since the doctor was actually useless. Instead the hider was protected for some reason. I wanted to have them as sort of "best friends", while also keep them doubting in the off chance that one of them was a mafia mason or a lover. I did NOT remember that you PMed the mason party the roles of the entire party, which was way too much information for what I envisioned. Instead I just gave each other their own role, told them who was their partner, and informed them they had no recruiter. It was a middle ground that left me anxious since it did not follow the template at all, but in the end that hardly took a part in the game.

-Pyschiatrist as yet another weak role that would be out there looking for "something". I did not expect the masons to come out d1, so a big part of whatever I was hoping here didn't happen (especially since the game itself was incredibly short).

-Paranoid Spy mostly to add confusion, since everyone was active. I did not know its interaction with Spirit Medium.........

-Spirit Medium (Potato)... originally Freeman (Potato). Town could get an extra lynch and a ton of pressuring through the mechanic, so it was only fair to have a freeman. Having a single passive to confuse town would had been a positive, role wise. But, mechanically, this would have a player NOT going for interactions, which would be extremely odd and also against what I wanted to observe in the game. Instead, I settled with Spirit Medium that is rather inconsequential other than to make nights a bit clearer, maybe. Like I just said, the interaction it has with Paranoid Spy to confirm itself 100% flew over my head and I did not expect mafia to claim passive, so this role was overall a huge regret.
Potato would keep both roles busy in d1 if they wanted to pass it.

-Pirate... I had assumed would grab a dud. Instead they went for the kamikaze meta... needless to say, I heavily regret having this role in this game.

-Janitor was the heart and soul of the game and I fucked it up. I had said several times that investigator is overused, so I wanted it to have a fair chance on its own. It did not get it. Oh well, next time.

-Strongman so that mafia could confidently get rid of whoever they felt was a massive threat.

-Blocker because I wanted this party to be strong.

At one point I considered Mafia Pirate but since it was a party of just 4, with a mechanic that potentially removed killers, and it cannot kill after stealing (I hate this) I went against the idea.
The Mechanics: they were all there to increase engagement. We have a bit of an issue going on where people seem to be afraid of both being pressured and pressuring. The tools we have in our site do not help with this, either, so I think playstyles evolving into this is not unreasonable.

1. Forced first post being a vote: Since we don't have a bot that counts votes, we have a limit of 2 votes per phase. This means that every vote is extremely valuable, and voting for someone seemingly equals to wanting them out of the game. There's hardly any room for error and you cannot really pressure anyone unless the person you suspect has a couple of votes on their back...

... so with this mechanic everyone had 3 votes to play with, and those that screwed up got a penalty instead (which also increases votes and may lower spreads). It wasn't too hard to track since it was always on the first post of the day. Overall, I was satisfied with this mechanic, even if the snowball we saw made it mostly relevant in the first day only. Focusing on that first day: While this also meant that many took long to be part of discussions (since they couldn't post until they voted) there was plenty to discuss in what more often than not is a completely random lynch. Thanks to this mech and the sparrings, the voting wasn't awfully spread either, with 4~ options at EoD with 3 votes on them (in a 16 people game).

2. The Sparrings: used similar mechanics in Harry Potter (10% chance to kill) and Pokémon (extra vote, chance depending on Pokémon chosen, battles earned your "team" a kill). I liked this iteration the most (much more balanced, overall), except for the fact that in Pokémon there was the extra factor that allowed you to choose your mon (but that wouldn't be possible here since I wanted that 20%). With this mechanic we not only got extra votes, but also got to see who cooperated and who didn't. I did expect at least 1 extra lynch done this way, but Yajirobe was too good for you guys.

3. The interactions: while it was a bit of a bummer mechanic, it was really interesting to see how each of you faced it. It was never meant to be strict (I even gave you an example of a simple vote-vote-vote-spar-spar combo, while letting you know that I'd be lenient) and even then many did struggle with it. I think it not only made invisible people more... visible (oh the joy of Day 1 Holt) but it actually greatly helped to let me see patterns in how you guys play. It really evidenced who was actively looking for their enemies and who was either coasting or laying low. Overall, the thread got a healthy amount of posts and the bottom posters averaged more than they usually do, while the town leaders actually didn't write as much as they often do (or maybe didn't even have to, with all the pressuring tools they got).

Overall, while I liked the ideas and execution, having all of them together was too much of a bane for mafia and I should had either been less ambitious or focused more on making this game as smooth as possible for them (and even compensating them further in the role list, as with my freeman example). Town played really well and mafia had big fuck ups but the regret remains. This does prove however how much info a little push can get you, even on the early stages of the game.

Which takes us to the individual performances...
@AnimePigeon our newcomer. It was a delight to have you around, you are very eloquent and clearly do have plenty of experience in games like this one. However, the meta did affect you and, most importantly, this:
Farfalla 4th Det Claim yet more trusts than any claim before them when I'm almost certain, they likely fabricated there Innocent/Guilty's already knowing before hand who is Evil & who must be Good - by being an Evil.

I could be wrong ofcourse, but no one else is pushing this direction.

Will be interesting to see Panda flip to confirm what's going on.

But I don't think we should be having Panda flip.

I hate herd mentalities.
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I'm not sabotaging. It's as simple as we have differing results and you have just killed James.

You're very quick to jump onto the defensive which I find rather strange. I already confirmed yesterday I was targeting DD.

it just so happens you leading a charge on Panda & James dying for me makes you look a hella lot more sus.
You need to remember that, at the end of the day, this is a team game. By rejecting the extremely likely scenario that pretty much everyone was agreeing on, you were becoming an enemy of town. At that point it wasn't "not following the herd", but rather being a contrarian pretty much for the sake of it (and your untrustworthy results). What was there to earn by sparring with Farfalla there, other than making town frustrated? She was pretty much impossible to lynch that day. Could had even spar-killed the town's candidate, then introduced your own after it.

Your night targets seemed to be whoever you suspected the most which is straightforward enough.

-Asako: you overall had a good game, but I felt that in a lot of your posts you brought up good points but then felt short by not explaining them properly. For example, bringing up evidence that supported your Day 1 read on Kakoha comparing his play-style to last game's. It would had gotten the point across much better and left "hints" for comparisons in the future, too. Or another player could had read your comparison and done their own observations. Showing vs telling.

Sticking to healing Farfalla was lame but ultimately the best choice so... props there. I was surprised you didn't protect Holt N2 after bringing up in the middle of the thread that he was the prostitute. Speaking of, why even berate James in the middle of the thread? Mafias do miss posts, and the one townie that needed to have this information was you, the doctor. You can wait until the post-game to dunk on James, you ended up doing the same thing he did. In a game where every bit of information matters, asking yourself "why am I posting this?" is sometimes a positive.

-Brandish: short lived but did give us enough to ponder. You seemingly struggled with the mechanic, as you were one of the few that almost got their role paralysed. You were also rather close to being lynched, with 5 different people placing votes on you and only one of them not being town. Did time-zones get in your way? (I noticed you were mostly active at the start and end of the day).

Or did your masonry with Erin make you too confident on your safety, which eventually led you to spill the beans? Pretty much all your d1 energy went to talking about d1 randomness, interaction baiting and then defending yourself from that suspicious behaviour at EoD.

Healing Erin made very little sense and I do not remember if there was any deep reasoning behind it. I did screw whatever discussion you 2 could had had because I cannot Discord to save my life, sorry.

-DD: much like Brandish, struggled with the mechanic, and was carried by votes and spars to keep his role. You were active enough but would simply not engage in discussions, and town heavily suspected you because of this (even without my list!). You had the most "is this person really interacting, wanting to find scum?" posts of all players. This does keep you unpredictable if people compare behaviours of town dd vs mafia dd, but needless to say everyone knows you can 100% do better. Absolutely no need to claim with a single result either, lol.

-Desin: WHY DID YOU CLAIM PASSIVE WHEN YOU WERE CLEARLY FARMING INTERACTIONS AS A PLAYER THAT USUALLY POSTS LITTLE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. AND THEN YOU CLAIM JESUS INSTEAD OF PGO SO THAT TOWN FEELS EXTRA SAFE KILLING YOU AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

@Erinyes : another player that had issues with the mechanic. Erin, the way you go back at night to check on everyone's posts clearly shows that you can easily do this during the day, too. I know you were busy, but once you had time to post your day 2 was pretty much limited to "no u" or belittling the efforts of town, while you were comically safe from being lynched anyway. I did not understand why you played your cards so close to your chest for so long in that day either since Brand had been janitored and only town was being affected by not knowing his role.

Like I wrote to Pigeon, this is a team game. If something is upsetting you, take a breather, and then approach the game with a clearer head and show everyone what you are made of. Also, like I wrote to Asako, "why am I posting this?" applies here too. What was there to earn by throwing mud at town?

Sure, showing indignation and maybe some self-righteousness is usually read as green, but if it's not then it's just increasing the tension of a game that can get needlessly heated up.

Try to work on your pacing even if it means taking longer to catch up. Pretty much no one will vote you for "delaying" your views, fight that anxiety lol.

-Farfalla had a great game. Never lazy, really good targeting and analyses, and pressured people plenty even if the mechanics themselves did some work for her. Great call to go for wojak n2 who I felt was very suspected by everyone but "not enough" to use an action on (on top of that I imagine his voting may have painted him as an enemy party of James', who you targeted n1). I do wonder if you would had still gone with Panda if not for finding that post that alerted you, and if not then who and why. All the mechanics fit her except for the fact that she was evidently tense whenever the extra lynch wasn't achieved. Holding bad plays accountable while still remaining positive despite the spilled milk (which could easily end up clouding your views in other games) is the way to go. Gladly, you still had a cool head during the nights, so this is rather nit-picky.

-GB signed up to play.

Needless to say, everyone should had tried harder to save him (himself included). It's better to look suspicious than to lose a member AND look sus anyway (especially since they entered the night outnumbered 12 to 3).

-GrySun also did well. I really appreciated his D1 since he very evidently understood all the subjects and tasks I had for the game. Had an interesting back and forth with Holt in D1. Should work on de-escalating though since telling Holt he was "hurting his own reputation" accomplished nothing other than riling up the person he's discussing with.

Took a backseat once Farfalla became the clear town leader and was mostly supporting her plays (which, as he said, may not be as fun but things were going smoothly and having a ton of posts doesn't really help much either).

aaaaaaaaaaaaa that spirit medium - paranoid spy interaction.

Revealing spy helped the snowball grow bigger and was a good call, regardless of mafia detectiveing you or not (...that only made it better).

-"Oh the joy of D1 @Holt ". Cemented town as a threat from the get-go with very good and genuine interactions. Tried to remain calm despite his big whoopsie voting Brandish (interaction that clearly ended up on a positive note imo for uninvolved "bystanders"), except for the fact that he tunneled a bit on Gry for pointing out something... very fair, and this vote remained there for the rest of d1. From the host's eyes, I thought Gry's train of thought here was pretty clear, so I'm not sure if I'm missing something.

This also led him to think GrySun had a bit of a vendetta against him which was kinda funny.

Very clearly went back several times to check on the interactions other players had in order to understand each participant's train of thought better and then pressure accordingly if something felt off. I do not know if the mechanics incentivised him in a significant matter or if this is 100% on his own volition after walking into a mafia W last game, but it was really nice all around anyway.

Thirdly you’re being way too standoff-ish unnecessarily. Even with this response, where I’m pointing how somethings you are saying feel off, and you’re retorting by saying to lynch you then. Plus snide remarks about last game or providing info for no reason. Everything you or anyone else says is a claim until proven. Naturally it is up to be debated or how else is the game supposed to be played?
Positive post that I just found looking back and pretty much tells Erin something similar to what I told her... as a host in the post-game.

-James had a weird relationship both with the game and the mechanics. I think that, in principle, he was fine with both but then at some points he may have forced himself a bit too much which didn't come natural at all. He even admitted himself he struggles keeping focus when town and, after a back and forth in d2, "threw the towel" and left the thread. If he had eventually returned with a cool head I think this would had actually been positive, staying out of the thread is not necessarily a mafia move and he could had reorganised his trains of thought in the process.

...but this all became irrelevant because of Farf's results on him and wojak. I was actually looking forward to see how that would had developed.

It was asked before but why even make evident that you suspected Holt was the prostitute? He blocked you, naturally he'd pay extra attention to you the following day and whatever you had written (in a general manner) surely got the point across before you even said that.

EDIT 2: I skipped Kakoha LOL

He didn't get to do much, played a rather simple game and most of his posts are from when he had already decided to kill himself in order to win. I hate you.

Suspecting Farf but absolutely townreading Gry was very odd, tbh. Did that one hint you pointed out bug you that much? Surely you didn't really think she was hinting she had an anti-town role?

-Marm, the final townie in this list that almost lost her role. She was sick d1 but luckily among her 5 posts she had a combo interaction post where she talked to 3 different people. Between her sickness and the fact that the game was a bit on auto pilot with Farf detectiving scums + Gry confirming her, it was never really necessary for her to step up big time.

Was the first person to trust Pigeon afaik and was good at bringing up the newcomer into discussions in what otherwise could had felt like an uninviting surrounding.

@Copy Panda tried really hard and fought bravely despite the fact that it was an uphill battle from very early on. Reading his posts was really interesting since he was bringing up points about a lot of different players, but hardly ever in a direct way, usually avoiding conflict. This led to some situations where he was talking to both everyone and no one, and when pushed aback he conceded really fast (from the top of my head, the Holt interaction in d2). Also, funnily enough, he wasn't even getting interaction points from those posts.

Town panda is much more assertive even if he's in omo mode (omode). His cold furry feet when sparring were only the nail in the coffin.

Edit: I FUCKED UP WHEN I DID THE SWITCH FOR THE N2 KILL. I KILLED HOLT ASAP AND FORGOT TO JANITOR AAAAAAAAA. This removed a good claim for you (although I wonder if people would had suspected you even more for it, since Holt being prostitute was... evident). I expected you to consider claiming investigator (only for someone to say I hate that role), but that didn't happen.

-I was liking @Seraph 's day 1, I think the mechanics may have given him plenty of reasons to be confident putting his thoughts out there, even if it didn't 100% match the leaders'. He unfortunately went afk though and this isolated posting ended up looking unnatural because of the mechanic.

I think you need to work on how your organise your thoughts in your posts, tbh. This is not an issue with your English nor anything like that, but the structure of what you write instead. This actually ends up giving the impression that you are either writing a lot but saying little or flip flopping, even when you are giving your most earnest thoughts.

For starters, being more concise should also do wonders, you are trying to send a message and walls of text do not help anyone. This would be hypocritical of me rn if I actually was expecting you all to read everything, but I know most won't and simply scrolled to their names (and that's kind of the point). Meanwhile, as a player, you are trying to get your entire points across to several different people with different agendas, different availability and coming from different parts of the world.

-wojak also tried hard but was overwhelmed in his welcome to the world of reds. You had this extremely funny interaction with Panda, who was your teammate grasping at straws to make a silly point: he brought up that you barely said "chud". This ended up with you overcompensating like a guy with a micropenis buying a monster truck, and from then on every other post of yours had "chud" in it. Something similar happened when you left a hint later on

didn't want to say more this early but.....how about active?
Why are you phrasing it like a question?! lol

I think this perfectly defines how you approached this game: with a lot of insecurity, which ended up removing any sort of genuineness you tried to convey in your posts. In the last game you were dead set on lynching me and that helped you focus on a target and a wincon, you should go back to that sort of mentality in your next game.

This took like 3 days to write, Tl;dr.

Feel free to question or dispute anything.
 
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Why? DD had just killed Misho.
Farf i had no access to pad due to technical issue, I got my access like a few minutes before work we couldnt talk more like around 10 min .

But no its more as bizarre as your claim. Its certainly not a perfect decision but thats what we could do with the very little time we had.
 

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Is there a point to this back and forth with Erin? The play of Brandish and her was suboptimal for sure but doesn‘t really matter to spend a page or two on.
 

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Who do we focus our spars with, james or wojak?
 

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But no its more as bizarre as your claim.
My claim is a dead end for me if untrue. I defo wouldn't call it bizarre but that's my ego speaking as well.
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Who do we focus our spars with, james or wojak?
I prefer James just cause of Misho's lynch, but I fine with the other way as well.
 

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Theres a good chance anyone who claimed today is mr Janitor wearing Holt‘s skin. Or Asako/people stalling.
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Also also, if wojak, James and Pigeon are at least telling the truth about being blocked then neither of them can be the Janitor. Especially James can‘t, unlike today how the number of blocks is somewhat inconsistent.
 

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Theres a good chance anyone who claimed today is mr Janitor wearing Holt‘s skin. Or Asako/people stalling.
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Also also, if wojak, James and Pigeon are at least telling the truth about being blocked then neither of them can be the Janitor. Especially James can‘t, unlike today how the number of blocks is somewhat inconsistent.
People stalling are me and panda, everyone else claimed i believe

Btw about wojak, I'm leaning more he the mafia considering I don't get how townie prostitute could block him as he claimed early on he det even if he Sus it's better to wait what he says in case he true
But with pigeon i can understand him being blocked considering he not really engaged that much
 

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I share Asako‘s sentiments towards block-logic on Wojak, but James also happens to have lots of messy d1 and d2 behavior hanging over himself
 

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Alright, lots of quotes, lets go:

Wooooo I'm a 4th det and I got Innocent on James and Guilty on Wojak \●/ I think its the first time I get opposite results in 2 tries with this stupid role lmao
Idk which one I believe to be the fake one tho. I'll let Porto speak for me right now and bet on James. Mr Wojak could have saved Misho.
NICE! GJ, Farf!
Now even if I die first you guys got another confirmed scum to get rid of. My death finally holds some value.

oh damn…shame RIP holt. Wish he could stay be there late game

The whole detective thing is a mess.
Not that I trust Farfalla..but I sus James even more. I trusted DD’s det claim. But cannot probably do it anymore.
I know I’m det and I investigated James but got no result. Likely the town hoe considered me sus and blocked me. Probably not convincing. But lying about result just to stay alive looks pointless for me.
With this Votekill James
I am at work now so will not be very active for the next 8-9 hours. But will be back afterwards. So if you chuds and chudettes have any question to me, ask away and I will come back to reply.
Here goes - @GrySun I am an Actual Detective (Sadly)

Reason why I changed my spin on Copy Panda was that I got an Innocent on him Night 1

I didn't get any results on Asako Night 2 - so I can only assume, knowing the Mafia Escort is dead, that I was blocked by a Townie Prostitute.

@GrySun this is why I didn't want to comment on the DD/Wojac Scenario - especially considering I expected more Det Claims. Sadly, Det is a Role easily faked by Evil, unless a role like Townie Spy is used on to figure out a lie pretty well.
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I spar Farfalla
iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting, two new dets both claiming to be blocked. But since Mafia escort is dead and we only had the prostitute last night and with just 16 players having no sense of 3 blockers it means one of you is lying while the other says the truth.

Personally I think wojak is lying, for one there is Farfalla's result on him and myself and since I know my alignment I know that he is scum. And for two the way he wrote about the whole incident the "probably not convincing" "could have lied but didn't to tell you guys the truth", etc. Also followed by a votekill on me because he knows I'm det and wants to get rid of me before I get too many results.

AnimePigeon feels like he got blocked but I do question his target for night 2:
Despite being an "actual detective" who already had a result with innocent on Panda, he focused on Asako who we don't know that much about, instead of one of the three dets as Farfalla did. I also question his reasoning for sparing Farfalla who to me is one of the most consistent townie players after Gry. I do doubt though that Mafia would fake two dets at once, so either AP made a honest mistake there or one of them is TP. But TP doesn't make sense due there being 2 nights each with only one ??? kill so far, meaning SK or Mentor are pretty much out of consideration except we got a mad lucky doc in the townie group. So I am more inclined to chalk that investigation result to inexperience, same with the spar reasoning.

I hate Cross-Posts, Didn't see Wojacs post when I posted.

So we either have Two Prositutes or another Mafia Escort - which would explain Wojac claiming Blocked too.

but I'm leaning towards maybe a Second Mafia Escort.

I'm thinking this game must have 4 Evils - we already have 2 Down, just 2 to go.
No it doesn't. We mostly have games with two blockers at the most, the only time I remember there being 3 blockers was with 2 Mafia teams vs town and that is clearly not the case in this game. 2 Mafia Escorts in one team is madly strong, it is much easier for the host to give town just some "fake" aka trollish active roles like the paranoid spy Gry has or some useless det role that only get the same result over and over instead of giving Mafia the option to block twice per night.
Because the longer the game runs the more powerful block becomes, a single Mafia blocker staying alive till the end game is basically like a "cold killer" in the sense that he kills the action and leaves townie with less information while fueling suspicion at the same time.
So it makes no sense to assume there is a 2nd Mafia Escort if we fave a single Mafia group. My assumption would rather be that we got a traitor among us because we got a psy claim who can see secondary roles while I remember someone claiming Super Mason which would mean we should have a Mason Recruiter as well.

However if we do have a Mason Recruiter then either he or she didn't recruited or the ones recruited stay silent instead of confirming that they are a growing group. Which makes me wonder if we do have a MR for a 16 player game since MR is rather powerful is successful for a couple nights in a small to mid-sized game. But that is thought food for later.

If investigating 2 of the other claims ain't challenging them then idk what it is - tho James was just a happy mishaps thx to D1 lynch. I'm fine sparring them/us tho, I've never been happier to say math is on our side o/
It is, even if I die my death confirms your result on wojak which means town can continue to keep the lead on Mafia. So number-wise the game is pretty much done at this point assuming we don't do mass mistakes on lynching people.

I wanted to view different targets to the other ones selected by the Dets in the open.

Additionally, I wanted Targets I didn't expect to die that same night.
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Seen as I posted it already, and I've been asked to bold it - here it is.

I Spar Farfalla
I see.
My reasoning for investigating Erinyes were the two different results on her. Since I know my own role and I don't believe the whole 3 dets thing, I certainly do not believe the 5 one, I wanted to check what my result is on the one both claimed to have found different ones. Since I got guilty it would either mean I am sane, insane or paranoid. Since Farfalla got two different results and I know my own role it means she is sane. Haven't read anything from DD but I highly doubt he is the third det to be blocked (lol) so we should get a result back soon from him which should make it easier to guess his sanity.

Given the game's mechanics and how much it favors active roles to be active in the thread to be able to use their role there is a chance that the host put in one, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe two, troll det roles in the game. But 5 is just too much, lol. 4 is also too much in my opinion but still possible if the host felt to be like Panda, but 3 seems to be the most reasonable amount for 16 players so since Farfalla tells the truth and I know my own alignment it means we got two liars among wojak, DD and AP. Personally I would trust DD the most outta the three, but then that leaves the question why both wojak and AP claimed to have been blocked if they are lying about their role.

This is fine. I'm saying one among James and wojak is scum. Could be DM bla bla bla. 50/50 if you believe me and will take the ride cause math.

If you don't believe me, 33/33/33, take your bet~
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Ah Pigeon II why me among the other 4 btw
This! So much this! It's 50/50!
Get rid of me and then get rid of wojak. Or the other way around, both ends with wojak dying as scum so I'm fine with that.

Is this some slip of the tongue or what? Why do you call Holt a blocker?
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Explain your hints of earlier days, why does this role make your usual playstyle harder to play?
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Why not the much simpler explanation that wojak is lying? I‘m surprised you assume all the stars aligning for him to be town under each constellation.
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He can say it in advance it is perfectly fine
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That‘s wrong, either deliberate lie or still a misunderstanding despite my detailed explanation.
People found it sus you only sparred with desin once and not twice. You could just write an x2 next to your „spar desin“ post, in the same session.

Do you not agree that mafia had it in their best interest to avoid throwing the dice too often to keep desin alive to tank the lynch?
That's because of Asako last day, isn't it? Holt was also sus of how Asako wrote her scolding and called her out on that.

I know wojak is lying but it's fine. Once you guys see my role/alignment you will know it 100%.

Btw I only sparred with desin once because I thought we could spar only once per sparring session. I remember someone posting two different spar targets and then being told you can spar only once per session not skip one and then spar twice in the second. I also didn't knew you could write your spar targets ahead of the coming session I thought it had to be posted during the time it was active as it was meant to encourage more participation among players.

They did, desin dying due lynch was the possible best worst case scenario they could have hoped for under these circumstances, especially with wojak already being in the primelight with all the early det claims and now with today's Farfalla findings on him and myself.

So anyone wanna just mass spar James then lynch Wojak if James was town and lynch Farf if both are town? Big if though, as I‘m bothered by both but supposedly at least one is town, Boss shenanigans notwithstanding.

We don‘t need to rush it and can just mail our sparring in advance for the 2nd sparring timeframe once we hear from the other Dets
Sure, go for it.
Come at me, brothers and sisters!
Try and get 4 hit marks on me!!!

Votekill wojak

As for my upcoming spar partner I wait for a bit, I'm leading to AP but might consider Asako as well. To me Asako feels too kind and helpful and often too eager to confirm with other's theories. When I compare her behavior towards me in past games where she wasn't as nice to me then in most of the not nice cases she had been a town who was paranoid around me due her experiences with me in-game. So I share Holt's raised eyebrown to the way Asako acts in this game.
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To clarify when I wrote two new dets I meant two new det results of which one is only a new det claimer.
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People stalling are me and panda, everyone else claimed i believe

Btw about wojak, I'm leaning more he the mafia considering I don't get how townie prostitute could block him as he claimed early on he det even if he Sus it's better to wait what he says in case he true
But with pigeon i can understand him being blocked considering he not really engaged that much
Agreed.
If I was a prostitute I wouldn't block a claiming det either unless I am real sus of him/her and go for someone who either hasn't claimed yet or stayed under the radar while posting not much, So AP being blocked makes more sense.
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Theres a good chance anyone who claimed today is mr Janitor wearing Holt‘s skin. Or Asako/people stalling.
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Also also, if wojak, James and Pigeon are at least telling the truth about being blocked then neither of them can be the Janitor. Especially James can‘t, unlike today how the number of blocks is somewhat inconsistent.
Indeed I cannot be Janitor with the night 1 block on me. And again, I wrote that I was blocked last day in my first post because I didn't knew anyone wrote in the thread that they had targeted me as I assumed the prostitute wouldn't reveal their night 1 target on the 2nd day already. I just wanted to get rid of the block action on me so I can get results for the coming nights.
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Who do we focus our spars with, james or wojak?
Either is good. It ends with wojak dying in both cases anyway. XD
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I got guilty on james
So two guilties which means either you are more likely insane or paranoid. With me dying I hope you are insane then and that I'm the paranoid one. Otherwise Farfalla can confirm you in the coming nights as long as we got a doc or bodyguard to keep her alive. But I feel Farfalla will probably pick other targets if she believes you more than wojak.
 

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What makes you so reluctant to claim at all though @Asako - with so many roles out there really is no point in hiding. Or at least share something about what you've done at night.

Same question goes to @Copy Panda - I believe he did say something about preferring not to say more yesterday, but I will have to check that
 

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I‘m a sucker for long posts. I‘d prefer axing Wojak instead now. We spar him and if we fail we lynch him.
 

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I'd be fine with Wojak as well, he doesn't seem very present in the game, don't get the impression that he's really following the game all that well. And perhaps he's a bit busy irl, it happens, but it does make it a lot harder to grasp his intentions this game.
 

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I‘m a sucker for long posts. I‘d prefer axing Wojak instead now. We spar him and if we fail we lynch him.
See, this is peak town Gry, attacking people, biting into them, using role abilities to confirm people even if it is a paranoid spy, good job with the dead player result on that, and most importantly putting forth plans for townies to agree and unite with. If I was Mafia I would have killed Gry first night or at least argued within my group to block him, though with 2 det claimers day 1 that would have been hard to sell even if the Mafia Escort had not died on day 1. Like I tend to do that most games, get rid of leader types townie player early on because even with a sucky role they can still put up huge problems once they start poking around to find people they trust and distrust.

In this case however if I die to sparring or lynch first, it gonna be fine either way since I know there is no way you guys gonna spare wojak after my death. Unlike you guys decide to let wojak live like you let me live in that one game as the town's pet mafia for a couple days after town figured out I was scum, still one of my most hilarious experiences in this forum. XD
 

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What makes you so reluctant to claim at all though @Asako - with so many roles out there really is no point in hiding. Or at least share something about what you've done at night.

Same question goes to @Copy Panda - I believe he did say something about preferring not to say more yesterday, but I will have to check that
Honestly so many people pushing on me making me crack up :/
Hmmmmmm i will only share my target nothing more
Seriously nothing more

Targeted farfalla yesterday make whatever you want with this info
I won't share N1
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@James Rye if we all spar on wojak to get rid of him will you join us
 

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Honestly so many people pushing on me making me crack up :/
Hmmmmmm i will only share my target nothing more
Seriously nothing more

Targeted farfalla yesterday make whatever you want with this info
I won't share N1
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@James Rye if we all spar on wojak to get rid of him will you join us
Kay makes sense.

Yeah, I would spar wojak. Twice even. XD
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I just skipped the wall
That's fair.
 

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And see people discussing about lynching me.

Need to cook dinner…but will be to share my thoughts in 40 mins
 

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All things considered (the janitor thing, DDs results and sanity possibilities, etc) wojak looks like a better spar candidate indeed.
 

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And see people discussing about lynching me.

Need to cook dinner…but will be to share my thoughts in 40 mins
Who do you think is the more likely out of farfalla and james?
 
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