Don't mean to downplay but Age scratch should've outright obliterated the girls based on the description given of the attack, but I can't take the attack seriously because it strangely..... lacked......that.. oomph lol.
I understand your concern. Believe me, this match was closer than any of the group stages combined. I was even voting for Dimaria at first but changed my mind. Naturally, Dimaria wouldn't lose this but there is really nothing she can do. Everytime I place her on a high level, I would assume that her laser beams are the finishing attack. Not this time though.
Actually, Ajeel doesn't have that bad of a reaction speed. We think so because he was almost caught two times. One being the Jupiter Cannon + Erza. The other being Team Natsu + Laxus. But notice how both situations have one thing in common. There was outside interference. Meaning it was techinically a 1v2. But in this fight Ajeel should be alone. Now, when Dimaria used her laser beam, who did she use it on? Wendy or Chelia? Wendy. So actually, Chelia was acting as the outside interference here which makes it a lot easier to react than if she was targeted like Wendy (who couldn't move).
True, Ajeel's durability isn't godly. But neither is DF Wendy. The pain probably won't stop him from fighting again. Even Wendy could counterattack.
Yeah, but DF Wendy wasn't really a match for Dimaria. She isn't even Spriggan Level so defeating her wasn't that difficult. You could say she was more like a fodder. Chelia would have been one too if she didn't get Third Origin. To me, Third Origin Chelia is a little higher than Erza. But because Ajeel didn't quite lose his fight (rather tied it), then I would put him a little bit above Erza as well. They should be comparable in my opinion. As for DF Wendy, she is kind of negligible here. I say that because he punch didn't even scratch Dimaria. I mean we saw her face not being affected by it at all. It looked more like a regular bullet hitting an armored tank. No damage whatsoever.
Well, I guess you have your opinion. I still don't think her laser beams would penetrate Ajeel just because he is a Spriggan and Third Origin Chelia, who deflected it with ease, is also a Spriggan-Tier. Plus, I was never an advocate for Ajeel being a weak Spriggan. Actually, I remember when Ajeel first appeared (like months ago when the arc just started), I was one of the few who actually stated Ajeel is not the weakest out of the Spriggan 12. But many disagreed. Even to this day...
Well, as long as Ajeel isn't blitzed, I don't see how he won't have a chance to cast a spell. I mean judging from the manga itself, Ajeel and Dimaria are relatively equal in speed.
You might overestimate Dimaria a bit, keep in mind she can't use her best spell. And i remember reading posts of how you feel about Ajeel :P your opinion might be a bit biased? =)
I kinda agree with it, Ajeel didn't impress with his reaction speed. However, when he got hit by Jupiter i think he was actually blinded by Erza's armor (if i recall correctly?) and then it was too late to dodge, he was also busy handling Erza.
Agreed completely.
I lost you there. You can't say A < B, B < C so A < C. You can't compare Ajeel and DImaria based only on their previous battles and opponents.
I dont think the Almighty God Ajeel, one of the, if not THE, most cocky Spriggan, would cower in fear like that and surrender from the display of magic from Dimaria. Lol
That nuke couldn't take Wendy, Carla or Sherria out. They took major damage. Ajeel would be minor damage at most. His MP exerted can scatter Jupiter.
Ajeel's durability is better than Sherria's, so he's a better than good chance of swatting the beams away.
Wendy saw that beam coming, she even tries to will her body into action. Then Sherria intercepts it. Ajeel can pull that off.
It will, but only for a very short time. I'd say a few seconds. But if he's away from her she won't be able to hit him.
Tell me, do you think Ajeel's reaction speed is better than Carla's reaction speed? No, that's impossible. Since Carla's Clairvoyance couldn't keep up with Di Maria's lazer beams, how could Ajeel? There just isn't a way. TO Chelia is overpowered when it comes to reaction speed.
Erza blocked Jupiter Cannon with her most defensive armor, but Kagura broke through with unsealed Archenemy. Yeah, Jupiter Cannon is pretty pathetic.
But when was Wendy defeated before this fight? As far as I can remember, she has never been. Ajeel was, so he'll feel the same pain he felt once he was defeated. It's just a fact Age Scratch will defeat him, you can't deny this.True, Ajeel's durability isn't godly. But neither is DF Wendy. The pain probably won't stop him from fighting again. Even Wendy could counterattack.
She was later immobilized because of the laser beam and not so much the pain.
TO Chelia >>> Erza, I'd rather say she is Laxus or Jellal tier.
Ajeel is the weakest Spriggan. He isn't a match for a god.
Di Maria's lazers will blitz him.
No, I'm the one who is not being biased. I just don't understand why people actually think Ajeel would have a chance against Di Maria.
Tbh I would rate DF Wendy above Erza without PoF lol.
Ajeel is nothing more than a fodder Spriggan. He would be cool as one of the stronger members from a guild in the Balam Alliance though.
I agree that it wouldn't take him out. He will bow.
But his reaction speed isn't better than Carla or TO Chelia.
When did she saw Di Maria's beam being fired at her? She realized it once she was hit by it.
He'll be defeated by the same pain he felt once he was defeated.
Well, I don't think Carla's Clairvoyance works that way. She can perceive or have flashing visions of events to come in the future but it is more of a vague and long-term image. Now, if you're talking about something like Cobra, he has the real capability to predict his opponent's movements within a fraction of a second just by utilizing his sensitivity to sounds. Anyways, I don't think it would be that hard for Ajeel to deflect Dimaria's laser beams because he can probably see it coming.
I'm not sure if I would call Jupiter Cannon pathetic. We know Kagura's Unsealed Archenemy is arguably one of her strongest attack, so it makes sense that she would be able to break through Erza's Adamantine Armor. That just tells us how powerful the attack is, not necessarily how weak the Jupiter Cannon is.
Yes, Wendy was never defeated before this fight. But she would have been defeated quite easily if TO Chelia wasn't there. Ajeel was defeated as well but by Erza + Jupiter Cannon which is not something to underestimate at all. Also, like I previously posted, Wendy tanked Dimaria's Age Scratch.
Well, together, TO Chelia and DF Wendy are above Erza (not by a significant amount). But not DF Wendy and Base Chelia. If we equate DF Wendy to Lucy and Base Chelia is not quite on DF Wendy's level, then we essentially have a combined power that is less than 2 Lucy's. I don't see Erza losing here.
Personally, I don't agree. Jacob and Neinhart are definitely below him in my book. Plus, Dimaria isn't a real God just like how Mirajane is not technically a real demon, Elfman is not a real beast, or Lisanna is not a real animal. They are all still humans.
I guess we just have to disagree here but I respect your opinion and I can see your point to a certain extent.
The bow was funny. It's at least as good as Sherria's, well I think so. He was able to dodge a sword mid-swing that was inches from his face. Carla's got precognition but she actually has to move to compliment it. Her movement is much slower.
She was lying on the ground after the first one went through her leg. She could see it coming.
Ajeel wasn't defeated by pain, he was damaged to the point of being taken out. I don't think anyone has been taken out from pain only, especially if it's a couple of seconds.
Di Maria's lazer beam was so fast that even Carla's Clairvoyance couldn't keep up. Carla's magic should've seen it because she can predict what will happen in the future, but she couldn't. In other words, it was faster than time. Ajeel isn't faster than time. He'll be pierced by it before he realizes it.
She only saw Di Maria cast it. It's never stated she saw the beam coming at her.
Unsealed Archenemy was blocked by Erza's sword. It's logic that unsealed Archenemy should be more powerful than sealed Archenemy.
But she blocked it after all.
I think you didn't understand my post.
Lol what. DF Wendy and Base Chelia are tiers above Lucy. Remember that we're talking about someone who is able to use Dragon Force and someone who is the second strongest mage from Lamia Scale. I'm sorry, but Lucy is nothing compared to one of them.
Jacob and Neinhart are above Ajeel. Their magic is far more powerful than his Sand Magic.
Just my imagination xD.
He'll probably smile at the nuke.
Carla literally stated her Clairvoyance couldn't keep up with her lazer beams. Ajeel won't react faster than Carla, it seems impossible. TO Chelia appearantly can, probably due to her increased speed.
She only saw Di Maria cast it.
Then he'll feel the same pain he took from his damages as well.
That's right, but Carla also needs to be able to move quick enough to compliment her foresight. Ajeel can react to sword swung near his head, I think this laser is doable. Especially with Sherria also being able to react.
I can see what you're saying. But she's looking right at it this time, so if her body was good, it's possible she could avoid it.
Which means for 2 seconds he probably screams and pain. His body won't actually be damaged though, so he should be good to go.
That's because Wendy's durability and strength have increased since then. Her last major battle was with Ezel. Also, keep in mind that those attacks never defeated her in the past. So why would weaker attacks that didn't KO her pre TS be able to do so now? That's not the case with Ajeel though. His durability is literally the same. If Mari uses Age scratch successfully, Ajeel will feel the same pain that actually KOed him, so technically, that should defeat him or near defeat him.
Well, I don't think Dimaria's Laser Beam is faster than time. Clairvoyance just depends on human perception, not time itself. Either way, I think we will just have to disagree here.
I believe it was shown. The beam was already casted and traveling towards Wendy. I will admit though, that this could possibly be because the distance between Dimaria and Wendy was far enough apart which allowed Wendy to see it coming. But even so, I don't see Dimaria getting close to Ajeel especially with poor visibility.
Agreed.
True, attack penetration is one aspect, but the damage inflicted afterwards is also a major factor in determining the power of an attack.
The problem here is that we're assuming Ajeel is going to feel pain from Nakagami Starlight + Jupiter Cannon. In this tournament, we are basing it off of individual battles fought here and not in the actual manga itself. Those feats are just used to support our decisions, and not necessarily applying/proving it here.
Yeah, but in this arc, Lucy improved too. I believe there was a discussion about this in another thread so we'll just have to disagree here. The way I see it is that Base Wendy cannot match Lucy. With her DF, she can probably fight on par with her. Chelia, despite being the 2nd strongest mage of her guild (which isn't that strong to begin with), is still below DF Wendy without Third Origin.
I guess we disagree here, once again. Haha. Dimaria may have the power of a god but even so, there is a wide spectrum of powers for all races, even dragons. Being a God doesn't necessarily put you at a high level. Just look at the God that Minerva summoned.
