Battle Ging Freecss vs Silva Zoldyck vs Chrollo Lucilfer

[Demonspeed]

So now age is an issue.
Your affirmation is incorrect because even if someone train longer than another it doesn't mean he would be stronger, there is also the training methods who can be more or less effective. Ging is also more talented than Silva. Killua is the most talented Zoldyck in the history and he is as talented as Gon. Ging is possibly even more talented than his son.

Remember too that Ging is a Hunter, he traveled a lot and faced different situations. Silva is an assassin, he trained himself and just killed someone when people were hiring him( even if it was not a Nen user). It's more likely to think that Ging has more experience. If we follow your logic it would mean experience= power, it's wrong. With experience you learn to use your basic skills better and control your aura flow. Watch Gon vs Knuckle fight in the anime.

Nobody can predict Netero's actions because of his experience, his aura flow is calm and indecipherable. But by reading Gon's aura flow Knuckle was able to predict all his attacks.

 

[kkck]

One way or another I would argue there is at large a pretty deep relationship between age and nen. Talent and effort can make a difference however at large nen does take years or decades to master meaning that age does play a part here. The most extreme case we have seen so far would be netero. He got to be a high level nen user and it took him 10 years to break out of that shell to be the monster we all knew and loved.

As far as the zoldicks as assasins I would argue they were in situations where they were forced to train to fight particularly strong people. Overall they are not just random mercenaries, they are a remarkably famous family of assasins and by default they are not cheap. If anything they charge enough to be able to afford living where they do and have their army of mid and high level nen user butlers. The zoldycks are hired to kill high profile people or other strong people overall. Illumi got hired to kill the godfathers, zeno and silva got hired to kill kuroro.... Basically the zoldycks get hired to do impossible jobs on a regular basis and they get to charge monstrous amounts of money for it. Heck, even illumi has been implied to be superior to quite a few of the zodiacs so far (although that does not necessarily mean he would win against them).

 

[kenosecon]

killua is far more talented than gon... and silva is the head of the family even with zeno and maha alive so he should be worthy of the title.

 

[kkck]

I don't know about killua being more talented than gon. Killua has had more formal training and has had actual combat experience from the time he was born. Gon in turn learned from spending time with nature and whatnot. As far as actual fighting goes killua is definitely better and stronger but in terms of overall talent I would argue they are equal or perhaps gon has a slight edge over him.

 

[Demonspeed]

I am not even talking about strenght. I am talking about talent, potential. They are both gifted geniuses but Killua is the most skilled, Gon has better instincts. It's the reason why Killua was jealous of Gon during the exam, because he knew Gon has more natural qualities than him.

Spoiler

I'll search the page later but it's confirmed by Milluki and Zeno that Killua is the most talented Zoldyck of the story, you can see it in episode 24 of the 2011 version.

 

[Phantron]

Just because Gon and Killua routinely only needs 3 days to do what other people need 3 years of training for doesn't mean age is irrelevent. You're supposed to need decades of training to hone in your techniques. Morel said that it's impossible to predict Netero's moves based on his aura since he can control it perfectly, and this is a very basic concept. Yet Netero is strong because he has complete mastery over such a simple concept to the point nobody can 'read' his aura anymore. So age absolutely does matter as long as you're not so old that you're physically decling, which clearly isn't any of the characters discussed here.

Gon has always been way more raw talent than Killua but Killua is definitely more skilled. Unlike most Shonen protagonists, Gon's goal in life is not to become the strongest man of HXH. He is quite willing to let his amazing raw potential go to waste by not training, or just throw it all away in a single fight (against Pitou). It's entirely possible Killua ends up stronger than Gon just beacuse Gon may never come close to realizing his potential.

 

[mousiehamster]

With the way they're going, since the very beginning both of them have been fighting stuff. What sort of hunters are they? Whatever sort they are they're always involved in combat.

 

[Mylesime]

With the amount of information we have currently it's impossible to know for sure who's the better between silva and gin specially in term of fighting, which is only a part of nen mastery.
The only thing we can conclude giving the actual data in my opinion is that they're in the same tier.
Irumi has very clearly been presented as comparable to the zodiacs thanks to hisoka arbitrary ratings (but still pretty accurate knowing hisoka's incredible instinct on this kind of matters). Silva is also probably the strongest zoldick, his son being comparable to gin peers even though gin is certainly one of the, if not, the strongest zodiac, we can safely assume that silva and gin are close in power, and more generally in ability regarding nen

Concerning killua and gon as said by their master, biske they are the perfect combo and complement each other perfectly, each one having his own specialities, and as stated by their other master wing they are very comparable in term of talent. Kirua isn't an ordinary dude, having been trained his whole life, but gon isn't neither, the guy is like tarzan, they aren't a lot of kids growing in the jungle in real life.... the kid is a beast, in all the senses of the term.
That can be seen with their progression with aura, they were both newbies, so no edge fo kirua in that department , gon is incredible in term of concentration and recovery time, but when it's time to control the aura flow (kanmuru) or evaluate the enemy aura, abilities etc, gon is no match-

That must be similar with their dads overall, they must be close, being top dog in the group of nen users. Knowing irumi strength (comparable to hisoka and members of the zodaics) and seeing the speed with witch he killed zitoh, or knowing that he killed a spider without suffering an important injury and without being specialized against them as kurapika.......killua's dad is no joke.

 

[howdydodah]

I don't think kuroro can match them yet. During their battle(kuroro,Silva) kuroro was forced to use a specialized knife, meaning kuroro can not damage Silva in anyway without his nen(physical battle). That means for kuroro to even dent Silvas phys + nen defense kuroro needs to have a considerably higher value of Nen(w/c I doubt he has) than Silva, kuroro has no hope physically. Now with hatsu it's a different matter, for that we need to look at our arcade sense. Have you ever matched wits with an opponent who just uses special moves in streetfighter? or tekken? or any combat arcade game? how does the match fare for the guy? the outcome would be the equivalent for Silva and Kuroro. Although kuroro is very combat savvy so is the head of Zaoldyeck so comparing them both for now is, meh. With Gin it's a different story. Gin is a complete nen user when I say that he can fight as well as have the ingenuity to stay at the top even though we haven't seen his skills yet. However concerning a fight with Silva I'd say 50 - 50, simply because they are high level nen users. So for them to have a definite advantage over the other a circumstance must be presented(something out of their hands if you will, that could determine the fights outcome)

 

[Demonspeed]

Benz Knive is a normal weapon. Not a specialized knife and I don't see why it would mean he could not damage them with his Nen. Silva fought one of his members and said they were very dangerous and Chrollo is obviously the stronger of them. Maybe he is weakest physically but it proves nothing. Among the PT he is ranked 6th physically but he can still kick their asses. Chrollo is a strong and experienced Nen user, strong enough to resist to 2 high skilled assassins without major difficulties. Even while blocking Zeno's attacks(who really tried to kill him) he was able to follow Silva's movements, at once! Nen fights are not video games or arm wrestling. He is more than able to beat Silva.

 

[Phantron]

In HXH if A can easily pierce B's physical defense then it follows that B will have a hard time piercing A's physical defense. Since Silva ought to be stronger than Zeno physically (current leader, in his prime), and Zeno can easily pierce Kuroro's defense, it must follow that Kuroro have a hard time piercing Silva's defenses, which is why he uses a special knife.

The whole reason why Materialization is a relatively weak school is because unless Togashi sees fit for you to possess an ability that's totally hax, your limit is just making stuff that's obtainable in real life and often you'd do worse. Therefore it is totally logical that high class weapons can easily do damage that someone isn't good at physical strength cannot otherwise do. Nobunaga says he has no chance of beating Ubogin without using a weapon, so it's implied him using a weapon makes up for the considerable difference in physical strength.

The Silva + Zeno fight against Kuroro is a bad fight Silva + Zeno because they're operating on a very limited time constrain. They obviously knew Kuroro hired Ilumi as well, and it's clear the two plan on trying to beat Ilumi to finish the job or die trying. This is presumably because the family reputation is at stake, since they obviously can just mess around and then go home after Ilumi called, but then if anyone heard about it they'd think that means the Zs are no longer trustworthy. Fights in HXH are supposed to take a while. The fight against Yupi lasted 11 minutes, and he's more than 10 times stronger than any opponent he faced. Even Shoot lasted a minute or so against a guy with more than 10 times his power. Therefore trying to kill Kuroro in a short time is dangerous which is why Zeno had to risk his life.

Finally, I notice that people tend to overestimate the daredevil characters in HXH. Most powerful characters in HXH are modest and want to avoid unnecessary confrontation, so this makes the daredevil seem extra strong. Zeno and Silva are only in this job to be paid. If they don't get paid, there's no reason they'd want to risk even a 5% chance to die (versus 95% on the opponent) over nothing. So of course both of them will hesitate to fight Kuroro, who is completely fearless. They might not be afraid, but they definitely have no motivation to do such a thing either. It shoudl be noted that this is why Kuroro avoids fighting Hisoka as well, as he presumably has no interest in Hisoka's ability and although Kuroro is totally fearless, there's just no point for him to risk his life over nothing, while Hisoka clearly doesn't mind risking his life over nothing.

 

[howdydodah]

Quite right phantron. I must add the weapon is of special make, Silva confessed he was surprised how he was cut(thinking the knife must have been made by expert means)and proving that Silva is truly durable. I would not totally disagree with your logic Demonspeed, because you do have a point. However you must take into account the circumstance all 3 were in. Zaoldyecks were facing an unknown opponent, therefore making them a little bit hesitant to go all out at the first round that goes for kuroro too. Therefore eliminating the question who is more powerful/stronger because they were sizing each other out. On the contrary though(back to just Silva and kuroro) as I have explained Silva is way---waaaaayyy more physically stronger than kuroro due to the fact he was forced to use poisoned dagger(benz), which can only mean if kuroro(no nen enhanced attack) hits silva(no nen enhanced def) , kuroro will quite possibly break his hand(pardon the exaggeration but i need to imply the severity of how their physique levels are far from each other). Now, if we follow nen rules, for 1 character to be able to damage a physically stronger character using nen to enhance his defense , he(the attacking char) has to possess a considerable amount of Nen capacity/value higher than the one defending(to compensate for the lack of physique). But of course theres hatsu and fighting abilities which makes the match interesting ( subjectively I think Silva is way more combat savvy than kuroro). Of course HxH isn't arcade, however battle systems are (not surprisingly) similar in a way. You can actually prove it by looking to how you deal in reality with how fantasy characters deal with theirs.

 

[ordoghaz]

We have been given more information on Ging in the last 30 chapters, and I thunk there's enough precedence to say Ging would win.
Ging probably is the most naturally talented Nen user ever introduced.
The guy is confident enough to barge into Paristons hideout with Beyonds team which he all acknowledged were all probably specialists.

 

[duerlin]

We can only infer that Ging is at a similar level as Netero. I think the main difference between their tier and Silva/Chrollo's is that while Ging/Netero could entertain Meruem for a while, Silva and Chrollo are still only capable of beating the Royal Guards.

Between Silva and Chrollo, their raw power is probably similar, but Chrollo has a "toolbox" which imo would put him in advantage.

 

[kkck]

I honestly don't think there is a human alive that can hope to match netero's skill. Netero's skill is the result of abject insanity, it's beyond merely working hard or talent. He transcended human limits speedwise... Ging can be as talented as he wants but as far as we know the entirety of the time he has been alive is less than what netero has spent training and fighting. Now, that is not to say no one can possible stand up to netero because nen fights can be more complex than merely skill or talent. However skillwise netero is unmatched.

 

[Demonspeed]

The Nen system is too vast to say that Netero's skill is superior. His training was insane and he is exceptionally strong but I don't consider his technique invincible. And I think Ging is stronger(which means I consider him stronger than Chrollo and Silva). The Netero we saw fighting is also not as strong as we was before. If it's in terms of pure Nen mastery at least I doubt Netero is better.

 

[kkck]

The Nen system is too vast to say that Netero's skill is superior. His training was insane and he is exceptionally strong but I don't consider his technique invincible. And I think Ging is stronger(which means I consider him stronger than Chrollo and Silva). The Netero we saw fighting is also not as strong as we was before. If it's in terms of pure Nen mastery at least I doubt Netero is better.

The main issue there would be that for someone to defeat netero he would have to counter or otherwise survive netero's kannon attacks. A single attack happens essentially instantly. The manga describes it as faster than the speed of sound and we have seen that the royals guards could not really perceive kannon's attack and the king himself knew what was going on but could barely react to it. And he only ever countered because of his bullshit gunji powers. To add to the issue of the speed behind each attack, there is the issue of how absurdly strong they are. Each hit is incredibly strong considering each one results in a crater. Let alone when hundreds of thousands are add up over time. Ging hasn't shown too much but what little we have seen does not even come close to suggesting he might have a chance against netero. How would he deal with punches which even the royals guards can't perceive?

 

[XXGenesis]

Ging.....His subtle feats of Nen I.e.; Greed Island, Accolades & Netero's co-sign of being Top5.

I hate fans who underrate Silva. He's ever been shown going all out. The family knew of Illumi's mission; Yes they fought to kill seriously, however Chrollo did also but he was buying time. Into which he knew his contract would be void, soon. So all he had to do was survive.

Silva is no chump. If everybody rates Illumi & Hisoka so highly; Why do you think Silva isn't amongst their caliber?? His hatsu hasn't even been described, like Zeno's dragon head or dragon dive. He's the head of the Zoldyck family, Illumi as twisted as he is; values his family yes but doesn't seem he would plot to kill or usurp his father. I wouldn't say he's as match for Ging. But Chrollo, hell yes.

Even with Chrollo's new bookmark hatsu. It only makes the guy more deadly & Haxxish because he can use multiple hatsu' mix & combine them. Through experience, practice, situational or planned. Silva still however I believe is physically stronger, has potent offensive hatsu, etc etc...I hope he makes another appearance within the manga.

 

[Demonspeed]

The main issue there would be that for someone to defeat netero he would have to counter or otherwise survive netero's kannon attacks. A single attack happens essentially instantly. The manga describes it as faster than the speed of sound and we have seen that the royals guards could not really perceive kannon's attack and the king himself knew what was going on but could barely react to it. And he only ever countered because of his bullshit gunji powers. To add to the issue of the speed behind each attack, there is the issue of how absurdly strong they are. Each hit is incredibly strong considering each one results in a crater. Let alone when hundreds of thousands are add up over time. Ging hasn't shown too much but what little we have seen does not even come close to suggesting he might have a chance against netero. How would he deal with punches which even the royals guards can't perceive?

Perceiving Kannon is not really a problem, it's surprising when you experience it for the first time but the Kannon is right behind him, the problem is the prayer. Netero's movement speed for his prayer is faster than anything we have seen so far but several characters are faster than sound. While Netero is exceptionally strong, I don't really believe that his ability makes him unbeatable. Meruem, when he fought Netero didn't have particularly interesting abilities, he was fighting with pure strength and knew he could withstand the palm attacks without problems. No respectable Human Nen user would employ such a strategy after seeing HK in action, and most have abilities more useful in battle than Meruem's. I am well aware that Ging has not shown much, but Netero's ability is not almighty. I think he is stronger, but we need feats for that.

Ging.....His subtle feats of Nen I.e.; Greed Island, Accolades & Netero's co-sign of being Top5.

I hate fans who underrate Silva. He's ever been shown going all out. The family knew of Illumi's mission; Yes they fought to kill seriously, however Chrollo did also but he was buying time. Into which he knew his contract would be void, soon. So all he had to do was survive.

Silva is no chump. If everybody rates Illumi & Hisoka so highly; Why do you think Silva isn't amongst their caliber?? His hatsu hasn't even been described, like Zeno's dragon head or dragon dive. He's the head of the Zoldyck family, Illumi as twisted as he is; values his family yes but doesn't seem he would plot to kill or usurp his father. I wouldn't say he's as match for Ging. But Chrollo, hell yes.

Even with Chrollo's new bookmark hatsu. It only makes the guy more deadly & Haxxish because he can use multiple hatsu' mix & combine them. Through experience, practice, situational or planned. Silva still however I believe is physically stronger, has potent offensive hatsu, etc etc...I hope he makes another appearance within the manga.

Silva is not really underrated, he lacks feats. We know he rivals Chrollo but his ability is a mystery. All we know is that he can throw two energy balls. It's hard to speculate when we don't know his Hatsu.

 

[kkck]

Perceiving Kannon is not really a problem, it's surprising when you experience it for the first time but the Kannon is right behind him, the problem is the prayer. Netero's movement speed for his prayer is faster than anything we have seen so far but several characters are faster than sound. While Netero is exceptionally strong, I don't really believe that his ability makes him unbeatable. Meruem, when he fought Netero didn't have particularly interesting abilities, he was fighting with pure strength and knew he could withstand the palm attacks without problems. No respectable Human Nen user would employ such a strategy after seeing HK in action, and most have abilities more useful in battle than Meruem's. I am well aware that Ging has not shown much, but Netero's ability is not almighty. I think he is stronger, but we need feats for that..

By perceiving kannon i meant it's speed, obviously any nen user can see it. We don't really have a reference of any character at all having feats which suggest they could even perceive, let alone even somewhat react to, kannons attacks. The closest thing to that was meruem and even then it required a number of bullshit plot elements to pull off. Then there was pitou... For whom half a chapter was used to show how pitou through sharpening his senses and whatnot could barely see what was going on at all. That is very daming considering we saw how much faster and stronger than everyone else the royals were. The guys fighting the royals weren't pushovers either... Knucke, morrel, knov.... They were all highly competent nen users and yet they were never a match to the royals in any regard. It took insane teamwork just to barely survive. Now, they are not necessarily the top but then, how would any nen user we have seen survive a single hit from kannon? Netero has speed, power, stamina and incredible range. Imagine ging facing netero in the same circumstances as meruem. They start at some distance and... How does ging survive that first hit? When meruem, literally from a species stronger than humans, could barely see it and it took bullshit plot development for him to overcome it. And then after that, how does ging overcome the literal millions of hits he will receive within the next few minutes? Netero can plausibly be defeated but it won't be through conventional means or a straight fight.