Fantasy Laxus Dreyar vs Erza Scarlet

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Kirin > Erza > Laxus > Misaki
Laxus will surpass her and Kirin in a few chapters.

Misaki shouldn't be that low. Laxus is not above her.

 

[Ronin31]

Kirin > Erza > Laxus > Misaki

so Kirin >>> Misaki ??
Can you prove it ??

They both have been compared to Gildarts in MP level. Miksaki said she used her best moves against him in their past duel without giving us the result.
By hype, they are evenly match.

 

[Sevently]

so Kirin >>> Misaki ??
Can you prove it ??

They both have been compared to Gildarts in MP level. Miksaki said she used her best moves against him in their past duel without giving us the result.
By hype, they are evenly match.

Don't need to proove it, Kirin was implied to be the strongest BDSK, and unlike Misaki, he wasn't defeated by a Erza tier character.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 8, 2022, Original Post Date: Apr 8, 2022 ---

Misaki shouldn't be that low. Laxus is not above her.

Laxus was slighty stronger than Erza in Aldo arc, and now Erza is slighty stronger than Laxus (not even sure they could be equal now)
Laxus forced Kirin to be serious, and he still couldn't defeat him, same for Misaki, but at least Laxus defeated Erza.

 

[Ronin31]

Kirin was implied to be the strongest BDSK

Nope, a "Contender" for the strongest. This means he is in a competition to be the champion.

Laxus defeated Erza

They tied. Arcs ago...

I can say Lucy couldn't even injure Elfman in this previous Arc.
After that, she has taken down brutes like Mimi and Kyria, a foe who even Erza took as a formidable enemy.
All the Quest Team are jumping on higher Tier in the current Arc. This show us improvement.
Or tell me Wendy and Lucy didn't rise here since Aldoron ?? Even Laxus said Lucy is strong now....

he wasn't defeated by a Erza tier character.

Tell me, were Erza's mind and psychological states similar in both fight (vs Laxus and vs Misaki) ??
- Vs Laxus, we have Erza who is facing a friend and held back the half of the fight.
- Vs Misaki, we have an angry Erza facing a Guild's foe who cut her precious hairs, which, by analogy, is a direct attempt to her beloved Jellal.
Tell me in which fight Erza was the most determinate to put down her rival and was the most pushed in her limits ?

If you think Misaki << Kirin because Laxus couldn't defeat him while Erza could beat her, then, I disagree. Nothing suggest such a strength's gap between these two. I only see Erza more pushed under her retreachments vs Misaki than vs a friend, as strong and tough as he is.

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Don't need to proove it, Kirin was implied to be the strongest BDSK, and unlike Misaki, he wasn't defeated by a Erza tier character.

Nope. He was said a contender for the strongest.

A casual Misaki was compared to Gildarts while Kirin needed to get serious to be compared to Gild.

 

[Loke]

Erza and Misaki are below Laxus and Gildarts. People have selective reading, Gray implied they were almost on that tier.

Anyway, Ima rock out with this for now

Spoiler

 

[Ronin31]

Erza and Misaki are below Laxus and Gildarts. People have selective reading, Gray implied they were almost on that tier.

Selective ??

Ok.... both women were facing as casual. Misaki was just as cocky as Kirin facing Laxus before he was put down.
Laxus has felt Kirin's MP to be compare to Gildarts when he got serious. So, before, we can say Kirin's MP level was "almost Gildarts", right ?

Misaki, who was blown by Blumenblatt, got serious in same way as Kirin so, her MP rised for sure to a next step. That put Misaki and Kirin on equal term.

Erza's MP increased alongside all the battle (just like Hulk fueled by his anger) until, at the end, eclipsing litterally the Bleue Dimension.
Waiting for Laxus dealing same feat. If so, I will put him on equal term with Erza's limit break and above Gildarts' tier.

 

[Nie Li]

Erza and Misaki are below Laxus and Gildarts. People have selective reading, Gray implied they were almost on that tier.

Anyway, Ima rock out with this for now

Spoiler

Not even the manga outright stating that a character is stronger than his teammates can convince some people.

Kirin is definitely stronger than Misaki even if we don't know by how much.

 

[Loke]

Selective ??

Ok.... both women were facing as casual. Misaki was just as cocky as Kirin facing Laxus before he was put down.
Laxus has felt Kirin's MP to be compare to Gildarts when he got serious. So, before, we can say Kirin's MP level was "almost Gildarts", right ?

Misaki, who was blown by Blumenblatt, got serious in same way as Kirin so, her MP rised for sure to a next step. That put Misaki and Kirin on equal term.

Erza's MP increased alongside all the battle (just like Hulk fueled by his anger) until, at the end, eclipsing litterally the Bleue Dimension.
Waiting for Laxus dealing same feat. If so, I will put him on equal term with Erza's limit break and above Gildarts' tier.

That's what I said?

As for casual, wasn't Erza enraged over her hair? Gray even comments on how bloodlusted she is.

There's no statement about Misaki's MP rising in the chapter. Just that she hasn't been that serious in a while. Considering there were virtually no comments on her MP at all to align with this, I think the idea that she was ever once casual is less plausible.

Well you're putting Erza there because she overwrote the MP of a mock Gildarts. Your argument fell apart the moment you claimed her MP rose. It didn't.

 

[Goku solos]

Erza stronger now

 

[LaGOAT]

Erza stronger now

For 2 chapters

 

[Jko]

Nothing stated Kirin or Laxus were the strongest. Just that they were contenders for it which means nothing since Natsu is outright the strongest lmfao.

 

[Static]

Nothing stated Kirin or Laxus were the strongest. Just that they were contenders for it which means nothing since Natsu is outright the strongest lmfao.

True but it seems Kirin is actually going to be the strongest given he's being saved for last and his fight with Laxus was delayed which rarely happens in FT tbh.

 

[Jko]

True but it seems Kirin is actually going to be the strongest given he's being saved for last and his fight with Laxus was delayed which rarely happens in FT tbh.

Being saved for last doesn't mean strongest. Order itself was never a measure for who was the strongest and who was the weakest in FT. Hakune was saved for last, she wasn't the strongest by feats. Gears was saved for last, he was not the strongest by feats. Ultear was saved for last, but she (at the time) was not as strong as a magically amped Azuma or Bluenote.

Nebal was the last of BoF 2.0 as well, and that would mean his fight was greater than Erza vs Laxus. Which hey, I take that as win if you want to stand by that . But frfr, being last or being first is not something to note strength from. Unless Kirin is directly stated to be the strongest of the BDSK then he simply should not be categorized as such.

 

[Loke]

"The two contenders for the strongest" directly implies that title goes to one or the other. No other mage present even received the statement to begin with.

 

[Jko]

Forgetting that page before Laxus was only called a contender for FT's strongest and not the strongest Fairy Tail member.

Spoiler

So no, she was only talking about them being contenders for the strongest in their respective guilds. She never said they were the strongest otherwise she would have outright said so. Instead she said they were contenders for it which means they aren't the definitive strongest.

 

[Loke]

Forgetting that page before Laxus was only called a contender for FT's strongest and not the strongest Fairy Tail member.

Spoiler

So no, she was only talking about them being contenders for the strongest in their respective guilds. She never said they were the strongest otherwise she would have outright said so. Instead she said they were contenders for it which means they aren't the definitive strongest.

Forgetting the fact that no other FT mage was even called a contender. The idea that Kirin was only referred to as a contender for his guild is headcanon considering Diabolos never came up in conversation. When read from page to page, it makes it appear like Kirin is a Fairy Tail member, so that can't be right.

 

[LaGOAT]

Being saved for last doesn't mean strongest. Order itself was never a measure for who was the strongest and who was the weakest in FT. Hakune was saved for last, she wasn't the strongest by feats. Gears was saved for last, he was not the strongest by feats. Ultear was saved for last, but she (at the time) was not as strong as a magically amped Azuma or Bluenote.

Nebal was the last of BoF 2.0 as well, and that would mean his fight was greater than Erza vs Laxus. Which hey, I take that as win if you want to stand by that . But frfr, being last or being first is not something to note strength from. Unless Kirin is directly stated to be the strongest of the BDSK then he simply should not be categorized as such.

The dislike for laxus is strong don’t worry my friend laxus will comeback with a bang

 

[Jko]

Forgetting the fact that no other FT mage was even called a contender. The idea that Kirin was only referred to as a contender for his guild is headcanon considering Diabolos never came up in conversation. When read from page to page, it makes it appear like Kirin is a Fairy Tail member, so that can't be right.

Forgetting the fact that Selene turned her attention towards Ignia and had no time to comment after Haku's battle. It isn't since she only referred to both as contenders and never as the strongest of their respective guilds. It is headcanon to think they are the strongest as they have zero statements that say they are. Only that they are contenders for it. At the end of the day, all those statements means jack squat since Natsu is the defacto strongest of the lot and she mentioned nothing about him.

The dislike for laxus is strong don’t worry my friend laxus will comeback with a bang

These are just the facts. I just don't hero worship Laxus like you guys do.

 

[LaGOAT]

Forgetting the fact that Selene turned her attention towards Ignia and had no time to comment after Haku's battle. It isn't since she only referred to both as contenders and never as the strongest of their respective guilds. It is headcanon to think they are the strongest as they have zero statements that say they are. Only that they are contenders for it. At the end of the day, all those statements means jack squat since Natsu is the defacto strongest of the lot and she mentioned nothing about him.


These are just the facts. I just don't hero worship Laxus like you guys do.

But u hero worship Irene