Discussion Natsu Dragneel/E.N.D Thread

[WoWfan]

END was in that sense responsible because he drew the demons together, Zeref said so

 

[Axiomus]

END never met any of the demons before Tartaros. Mard Geer just took his book and brought all the demons together. In that sense, END brought all the demons together.

If we talk about E.N.D., I've semi-off-topic question for @Axiomus.

Both Atlas Flame and Animus said E.N.D. is a monster who destroy everything.
Atlas Flame and Animus were on different sides of war.

What is basis for their phrase about E.N.D. ?

They probably heard the rumours, like everyone else.
Also, Atlas Flame lost a good chunk of his memories.
Animus never knew Natsu to begin with.

 

[grey matter]

I mean, Mard could lied or said uncorrect information to Tartatus demons, but how possible two dragons on two different sides of war ("good" and "evil") had similar beliefs ?

Exactly.

The entire plot revolving END was retconned by Mashima, cause he's a lazy mofo.

Even Mard couldn't have been lying. He was extremely reverent and respectful of END, and really showed emotions only when speaking of END. He got visibly angered when CSK talked smack of END. END, at that point, was definitely intended to be Tartarus guild master IMO

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Also, Natsu was a child 400 years ago
So do you think E.N.D is a separate entity..
In your opinion?

IMO the demon and Natsu are different. Demons were summoned through contract to revive dead bodies I think.
The demon who was bound to Natsu's body needn't could've still been strong AF, and bought together the demons to create the Tartarus guild. IMO Hiro retconned the entire plot

 

[WoWfan]

That is why Gray wanted vengeance against END, because in that sense END did bring the demons together, and is the pinnacle of all demons

 

[grey matter]

That is why Gray wanted vengeance against END, because in that sense END did bring the demons together, and is the pinnacle of all demons

That's quite retarded from Gray's POV. Because:
- retconn or not, END had nothing to do with Tartarus. He didn't even exist until alverez arc
- even if END was used as a narrative to create Tartarus, Tartarus still had nothing to do with Deliora. Deliora was an independent demon rampaging through the continent, while Tartarus was doing it's best to lay undetected until x791. Gray can't even blame Tartarus for orphaning him

 

[WoWfan]

please do not use the "R" word, that is not nice

He existed since when the Demons were first created

Gray can because because they tortured his father since then

 

[Veni Vidi Vici]

Exactly.

The entire plot revolving END was retconned by Mashima, cause he's a lazy mofo.

Even Mard couldn't have been lying. He was extremely reverent and respectful of END, and really showed emotions only when speaking of END. He got visibly angered when CSK talked smack of END. END, at that point, was definitely intended to be Tartarus guild master IMO

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IMO the demon and Natsu are different. Demons were summoned through contract to revive dead bodies I think.
The demon who was bound to Natsu's body needn't could've still been strong AF, and bought together the demons to create the Tartarus guild. IMO Hiro retconned the entire plot

Based.

 

[King Moe]

Exactly.

The entire plot revolving END was retconned by Mashima, cause he's a lazy mofo.

Even Mard couldn't have been lying. He was extremely reverent and respectful of END, and really showed emotions only when speaking of END. He got visibly angered when CSK talked smack of END. END, at that point, was definitely intended to be Tartarus guild master IMO

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IMO the demon and Natsu are different. Demons were summoned through contract to revive dead bodies I think.
The demon who was bound to Natsu's body needn't could've still been strong AF, and bought together the demons to create the Tartarus guild. IMO Hiro retconned the entire plot

Mashima is opposite of lazy guy. He just never had plans for long term series for FT. He stated this many times in interviews. Don't put bandwagon hate in your critic or it's hard to take your opinion on the matter.

 

[yutu]

this is what END should have looked like

Spoiler

 

[Ramen]

this is what END should have looked like

Spoiler

At least Shiki has horns

 

[Raven]

this is what END should have looked like

Spoiler

Is that Shiki or a fan art?

 

[yutu]

shiki

 

[Raven]

shiki

He looks exactly like Natsu here.

 

[Cat Sidhe26]

He looks exactly like Natsu here.

Except his hair is white.

 

[Ramen]

@Jko Can you send the panel of Mashima explaining that END moved through time stop not because of brute force but because his special power.

 

[MangerDan]

@Jko Can you send the panel of Mashima explaining that END moved through time stop not because of brute force but because his special power.

I would not take this as proof of anything considering it’s Mirajane going E.N.D POWER!

 

[Ramen]

I would not take this as proof of anything considering it’s Mirajane going E.N.D POWER!

Well no but if someone is telling me that Natsu brute forced his way through time stop, then that's not true.

 

[MangerDan]

Well no but if someone is telling me that Natsu brute forced his way through time stop, then that's not true.

Well I for one go with Natsu just simply being stronger more evidence to support that Neinhart and Brandish come to mind. Rather then some nonsense about special powers or whatever.

 

[Jko]

The author is using Mira to convey it was END's ability to do so. This is still a Q&A, he's just using Mira and Lucy as a fun way to do it. END is the only person that can just walk through timestop with no counter and it's not scalable in anyway.

 

[MangerDan]

Mashima when he did the QnA
¯ \_(ツ)_/¯ E.N.D POWER!