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Semifinal Natsu vs August

Who wins this SF battle?

  • Natsu Dragneel

  • August


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Ya when he exchausted and out of MP but that irrelevant. That fact of the matter he tanked a FH zeref attack and clearly out powered FH Zeref is above any feat august has shown in this manga. DF natsu>gildartz anyways the way lost is irrelevant becuase he isn't tanking/ Nufffying a power that oneshotted FH zeref. FH zeref > all august feats u mention. He couldn't dodge gildartz punch he isn't dodging a POF natsu. I cant believe ur making me defend this kid :epicfacepalm
Yes, irrelevant. Fact of the matter is that he got done in by FH Zeref's attack and would have stayed dead if there wasn't a plotsu involved. August has yet to be killed like that. In fact, he continued to fight even after being stabbed and wrecked asses. That's way above any tanking feat Natsu has.

I have no reason to believe why he can't dodge Natsu's punch, especially when August himself is powered up by PoF.
 

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Aye, no worries
Sorry for the late reply.
Thing is, the entirety of your line of logic abides by the concept that August is capable of keeping the magics he copied in the past, something that is very unlikely to be as it causes several plot holes.
The problem with that logic though is that all of the Spriggans have magic that causes plot holes when they're beaten. Bradman should never have lost due to the Sensory Curse, Jacob got interrupted by Happy + had a quirk that nerfed him when he could have theoretically just re-Stealth'd, Wahl got killed by something he was supposedly immune to, Irene could have just launched a roar at Erza before she destroyed Deus Sema, DiMaria only lost because she fooled around in Age Seal, etc. August not using the magic he had just falls in line with the standard S12 PIS/CIS.

Also keep in mind that we've only ever seen a bloodlusted August once, and that was when he almost one-shotted Natsu and co.
- The "meteor" he used doesn't appear to be heavenly body magic, as it does look relatively different to how Meteor works (we have Jellal's recent meteor for reference, August's lacks a lot of the visual details of meteor) and most importantly lies the fact that it's easily visible despite Natsu claiming that meteor is too quick to be percieved by normal human senses. Not even Acno was able to see Jellal, while Gildarts is able to see August before he hits the two of them. With that, it appears to just be a very quick charge attack
Really? They look really similar to me:

Both have the jagged outline around them, made out of light. Also, both Acno and Gildarts had the "!!" above them when faced with Meteor, so both of them were blitzed IMO. Not to mention the fact that Gildarts couldn't stop August from hitting him or Cana. That alone sets it as a blitz.
- Oh and one last thing, the "melt" attack was called a "heat" attack or even "blaze" attack in other translations. Not to mention, when August recalls when Gildarts is talking about copied magic, he shows us a panel of him using that heat spell, meaning that he copied it right there from Natsu
Yup, which means he also retained it.
AyeSo if we take in consideration the fact that there's rather weak proof towards August being able to keep the magic, with a lot of evidence against it, it means that against Natsu, he could only keep copying Natsu's magic or using one of his crappy knock-off spells, which might not be able to do much, as we saw with Gildarts. So unless he goes full Ars Magia, which is prohibited in this tournament, I don't see him beating the plot beast that is Natsu without being able to copy some proper magic from someone else, which is impossible given this tournament's rules. All magic he copies from Natsu is useless, so all he has going for him is some basic types of magic, which is why I'd have to give Natsu the victory
I'm not really seeing how the proof behind August retaining copied magic is weak, since we saw him use Meteor against Gildarts. And honestly, this doesn't even matter against Natsu, because (as you pointed out) he can just use Melt. We already saw what Melt did to Natsu previously, it actually damaged him despite the fact that he's massively heat resistant and tried to negate it. And even then, that was with Universe One saving him. While I'm not saying that August could one-shot via Melt, I could see it leaving Natsu weak enough to be taken down by another Melt or just CQC.

At the end of the day, even if we're saying August doesn't retain magic (which I think is wrong since he clearly used Meteor), Natsu can't hurt him with magic so he's going to have to rely on pure CQC. I just don't see him pulling that off considering August has enough skill in CQC to toss Gildarts around and his magic is so powerful that his nuke surpasses Natsu's heat resistance.
 
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Yes, irrelevant. Fact of the matter is that he got done in by FH Zeref's attack and would have stayed dead if there wasn't a plotsu involved. August has yet to be killed like that. In fact, he continued to fight even after being stabbed and wrecked asses. That's way above any tanking feat Natsu has.

I have no reason to believe why he can't dodge Natsu's punch, especially when August himself is powered up by PoF.
Cool story bro natsu won have died many times becuase plot just like any main character. Again do U think that august>FH zeref? Unless u think that then this discussion is really irrelevant. He tank a FH zeref attack that alone is above any feats that august tank in the series. He couldn't dodge gildartz punch a POF natsu oneshots him. Cool POF August<<<<<<<<<<<POF natsu
 

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Cool story bro natsu won have died many times becuase plot just like any main character. Again do U think that august>FH zeref? Unless u think that then this discussion is really irrelevant. He tank a FH zeref attack that alone is above any feats that august tank in the series. He couldn't dodge gildartz punch a POF natsu oneshots him. Cool POF August<<<<<<<<<<<POF natsu
He didn't have a fatal wound or anything that would have killed him without a doubt as he did against FH Zeref. What attack did Natsu tank? You keep mentioning that, but Natsu only received one attack, and it was never tanked.

Nah, PoF August > PoF Natsu. You can make up more things if you want, but it doesn't change the fact Natsu has less feats than August. If we consider PoF, then PoF August wins as the only one who beat him was August and Mavis.

He still survived Gildarts punch.
 

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Natsu has more impressive attack power than August. Natsu overpowered FH Zeref's Dark Exploding Flame Blade. Overpowering an attack is more impressive than tanking one. Ars Magia is restricted by virtue that it is a suicide spell. Which means August's most impressive attack is the nuke he used against Natsu, which is less powerful than savage flames. Natsu was able to negate melt with relatively little injuries, whereas he burned his own arm using the savage flames.

The only reason August wins this match is because he can negate caster magics, which means he can probably reduce the effectiveness of Natsu's attacks to a point where he can easily tank them. This is up for debate because Natsu is currently fighting Acnologia, who is supposedly immune to all magic. If Natsu ends up actually damaging Acnologia, then August is fair game. Unfortunately, this match will end before we get to the next few chapters.
 
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Natsu has more impressive attack power than August. Natsu overpowered FH Zeref's Dark Exploding Flame Blade. Overpowering an attack is more impressive than tanking one. Ars Magia is restricted by virtue that it is a suicide spell. Which means August's most impressive attack is the nuke he used against Natsu, which is less powerful than savage flames. Natsu was able to negate melt with relatively little injuries, whereas he burned his own arm using the savage flames.

The only reason August wins this match is because he can negate caster magics, which means he can probably reduce the effectiveness of Natsu's attacks to a point where he can easily tank them. Even this is questionable because Natsu has already shown the ability to burn magic as complex as time magic. Natsu is currently fighting Acnologia, who is supposedly immune to all magic. If Natsu ends up actually damaging Acnologia, then August is fair game. Unfortunately, this match will end before we get to the next few chapters.
Could Natsu comfortably eat flames equivalent to the power of his savage flames? If so, then that doesn't really impress me. If Natsu took August's flame nuke, would he be burned more than when he used his Dragonflame punch (or whatever punch that Goku used)?

How or when did he show the ability to do that?
 

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Could Natsu comfortably eat flames equivalent to the power of his savage flames? If so, then that doesn't really impress me. If Natsu took August's flame nuke, would he be burned more than when he used his Dragonflame punch (or whatever punch that Goku used)?

How or when did he show the ability to do that?
Natsu didn't eat Augusts flames. He simply negated it. If he actually ate August's flames, and it was more powerful than his flames of savage emotions, he would have received a massive power-up there and then. Natsu showed the ability to burn FH Zeref's magic, which was control over time itself. Zeref is actually using power of feelings here because he is turning his rage and sorrow into magic power, and he has Fairy Heart to fuel his magic. Natsu's power of feelings, his flames of savage emotions, was able to overcome that.
 
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He didn't have a fatal wound or anything that would have killed him without a doubt as he did against FH Zeref. What attack did Natsu tank? You keep mentioning that, but Natsu only received one attack, and it was never tanked.

Nah, PoF August > PoF Natsu. You can make up more things if you want, but it doesn't change the fact Natsu has less feats than August. If we consider PoF, then PoF August wins as the only one who beat him was August and Mavis.

He still survived Gildarts punch.
Ok tanking gildartz attack=\= POF natsu attack. He tanked this http://readms.net/r/fairy_tail/535/4248/17 and was able to continue. He took that attack head on and was able to fight. Proof that POF august>POF natsu? This kid oneshot FH zeref he burn through time itself a feat that august can't produce. What do u mean natsu has less feat than august? Just. Cause august killed himself doesn't mean he has the able to tanka POF Natsu punch. His POF isn't above natsu POF becuase he literally has the power to burn anything in base form did u read the same manga as me cuz we saw who defeated FH zeref right?
 
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Well, with some people deciding to take into account the part that PoF plays, I have to admit that the manga portrays Natsu's as the most OP form of PoF. We can only assume the boost August would get, and I do think that it would be a tad unfair to both parties, seeing as we can't accurately assess said boost.

One thing we can agree on is that in Natsu's critical fights PoF isn't the lone thing that carries him to victory, at times. It's the plain-as-day fact that he's our MC and has to win it given that FT is a shounen. This is the very reason he gets up even after severe beatdowns; although, he does possess formidable durability.

This tournament is free from the conditions Hiro faces as a shonen mangaka. Natsu isn't forced to win the crucial fights. His PoF is still IMMENSE and must be considered carefully. But, given that his display against Zeref is "guild's power" and not his own, I take this as the typical route Hiro would pick to involve "everyone", Finish the fight quickly, and give Natsu the spotlight without making the win infeasible to us readers, or so he might've thought.:p

The best individual display Natsu has to offer was the disintegration of Zeref's body through DF. VERY impressive. However, counterable given what we know about August. He is literally a perfect counter to such a decisive mode and magic type.

He doesn't even need to copy DS magic in order to gain the upperhand. He has a repertoire of spells shown. Not to mention the spells that the narrative implies he has as the magic king. No need to argue over him being able to copy Natsu's spells as that would just give Natsu the advantage in this fight.



Natsu and August are both formidable, however this is the MH Fighting tournament were each individual chooses a mage to proceed in each bout, until the eventual winner arises that'll represent what a majority of us fans believe to be the strongest mage in the FT verse. An embodiment of what we expect a powerful wizard to be in a magic-themed shounen manga.

It is for this very reason that I try to be as unbiased as possible when choosing victors. That is why I take August as the best representation of a perfect wizard. A perfect counter to most of the strongest mages in the verse. A mage so indomiatble Hiro had to write a plot-device catered solely to August in order to write him out of the manga. He counters almost all magic types in a fair fight. He has the best mindset of any mage tht plays to SUCH an advantage in a fair fight. He wins it fair and square. Evry fight is different, but this fight favors August.
 

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Definition of Caster and Holder magic:
  • Caster Magic: (キャスターマジック Kyasutā Majikku) is Magic that is expelled from the body as opposed to Magic done through the use of a weapon or outside source.
  • Holder Magic: (ホルダーマジック Horudā Majikku) is Magic that requires a Mage to use an external source to produce the Magic. It usually requires the use of Magic Power, though there are some exceptions such as Edolas Items that are powered by Lacrima.
DS Magic is not just ordinary caster magic it is more like a mixture of caster and holder magic. August can't copy holder magic due to set requirements that he needs to copy them. To use CS magic he needs keys, to use Card magic he needs cards, and to use DS magic he needs to be enchanted by a Dragon or have a Dragon Lacrima put inside of him. August can't just copy and nullify every caster magic or he would've copied and nullified Crash even when Gild used his mechanical arm. August can't copy DS magic. DS magic can't be learned like other caster magic it has to be given by an external source a.k.a. a Dragon which is out of the scope the general definition of caster magic. Even Second Gen are given the power through a lacrima which is another external source.

It's not like it really matters either way as Natsu could burn through any spell produced by August. August has no means to nullify a spell that burn through the fabric of time, and overpowered unlimited magic.

August is strong but he can't beat a guy who bested the second strongest person in the verse. And Savage Emotions Natsu is Natsu's own power. The whole "guild" thin was to emphasize his emotions for the guild. No one from the guild helped him in that fight.
 
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  • Caster Magic: (キャスターマジック Kyasutā Majikku) is Magic that is expelled from the body as opposed to Magic done through the use of a weapon or outside source.
  • Holder Magic: (ホルダーマジック Horudā Majikku) is Magic that requires a Mage to use an external source to produce the Magic. It usually requires the use of Magic Power, though there are some exceptions such as Edolas Items that are powered by Lacrima.
If it is true, than Cana's cards should be CM bc she makes cards with magic, she doesn't bring huge bag of cards with herself. But if she brings cards from another dimension like Erza, so August also should can stop her doing this.


and to use DS magic he needs to be enchanted by a Dragon or have a Dragon Lacrima put inside of him
1st gen use magic inside their bodies. It is simple CM.
2nd gen use lacrima to make their magic attributed by dragon.

If 2nd gen use item to change magic, 1st just cast spells. But and 2nd gen cast spell by their own magic.
So August can nullify both of them.


Crash even when Gild used his mechanical arm.
That arm is an item. August can't nullify magic from an item. It is not spell from Gildart's bady (in that moment, maybe he putted his magic into arm long before, but it is not making any change).
 

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If it is true, than Cana's cards should be CM bc she makes cards with magic, she doesn't bring huge bag of cards with herself. But if she brings cards from another dimension like Erza, so August also should can stop her doing this.



1st gen use magic inside their bodies. It is simple CM.
2nd gen use lacrima to make their magic attributed by dragon.

If 2nd gen use item to change magic, 1st just cast spells. But and 2nd gen cast spell by their own magic.
So August can nullify both of them.



That arm is an item. August can't nullify magic from an item. It is not spell from Gildart's bady (in that moment, maybe he putted his magic into arm long before, but it is not making any change).
Yeah she gets her cards from an external source.

1st Gen uses magic that they got from a Dragon. They can't use DS otherwise. Without the Dragon enchantment they wouldnt be able to use DS magic just like if the second gen didn't have their lacrima.

He used his caster magic through his arm. It was Empryean punch he used on August. The arm blew up bcs it couldn't contain the magic.
 

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May be August cant copy DS magic (but he hinted he copied Goddys) yet August has a lot of powers to win without it. He has barriers, nukes, speed, as king of magic he has tonns of immobilisation spells. He has reflector. He can read thoughts. Its like Natsu is vs all mages in the world. August stands superior.
 

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Due to lack of information about August's magic, I'm giving this win to August. Natsu loses just because he uses caster magic.

Also, regarding the discussion about August's "Melt", I don't think it was copied from Natsu. As seen with Hyberion and Gildarts, August only took note of their magic once they used it (he was surprised and called it "impressive"). That alone is enough to assume that he can't identify, copy, or nullify magic until it has been used.

The only way Natsu can deal damage is by stealing his magic stick and using it against him. Or engage in CQC...
 
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