Re: I can't decide.
I maintain my point.
Syphilias said:
While a lot of what we learn in school about grammar is simply running in the backround in our brains
Like...like what? When I'm listening or talking or reading, I'm not aware of grammar stuff going on in my mind at all, background or not.... I'm not even really aware of having learned grammar in school. Did I? I dunno. >___>
Syphilias said:
you need to learn the most important part, which is grammar.
I just disagree with this. Grammar is not a tangible part of language in the first place...grammar is more a set of abstract rules that try to generalize the way language flows. Grammar
is because language is, not the other way around.
Syphilias said:
Subject-verb agreement, all that good stuff. It's ESSENTIAL.
Sorry, I have this tiny grasp of what "subject-verb agreement" means from high school French, but... yep, definitely didn't
actively learn that concept for English.
I don't remember EVER learning stuff like past participles or anything crazy like that when I was a kid. It was just, if you said something like "I'd boughten it at the store", everyone would laugh at you in grade school. That's how
I learned English grammar, anyway.
So is it ESSENTIAL to learn grammar? I highly disagree. It may be helpful for some people, but actively studying grammar is hardly necessary to use a language to produce pleasing and easily understood discourse, much less to understand said discourse.
Syphilias said:
The best thing I can suggest for you to do is to keep at it every day. Try using that Kanji Gold program which is stickied on the top of these forums. [...] You don't need to get some fancy program.
This I wholeheartedly agree with. (Especially the keeping at it every day part.) I used a combination of
Heisig's Remembering the Kanji series and
Anki (an
SRS like Kanji Gold) and modeled my cards after
Reviewing the Kanji, which is kinda similar to Kanji Gold. (I didn't know about Kanji Gold at the time, but... well, I like Anki anyway. Plus Heisig's nice.)
But, to be nitpicky, (ooh, ooh, look at me starting a sentence with a conjunction! The gall!) saying a program has EVERYTHING is like saying you don't have to use any other resources, and... you oughta use a slapload of resources. You just should. They want you to use them. You don't wanna make 'em sad, do you...?
But, anyway, as long as we're making progress, whether we choose to study grammar, or choose to focus on using primarily one website to learn, or whatever, we're making progress, right? And on that note, I think it's time to learn me some more Japanese!