Fantasy TO Sherria vs. Laxus

[Darklord#10]

He acts as if Gildarts Erza and Laxus are the only top dogs in the guild and that Natsu should be relegated to fighting with Gray and Gajeel. He acts like DF Natsu's feats against Nerfed Aldo aren't spectacular and that Erza can do the same when she can't even beat Laxus. I don't know what's going on in those people's heads. Especially when they say Laxus Erza and Gildarts are human DG level.

Typical erza fanboy talk. You don't need to know what is going on in their heads it's crazy talk. How someone can say in the same bracket that black dragon slayer knight are on another level from Diabolos trio but proceeds to ignore the fact that natsu stalemated the same black dragon slayer knight is beyond me. my thing is that he whines about how I downplay erza and all her opponents but proceeds to do the same thing

Don't complain about somebody if you do the same thing and isn't funny how you he ignores the fact that erza lost to kyria in the first fight and she didn't even soundly beat kyria the second time just like natsu with madmolle

 

[Darklord#10]

It's Ok so I can't decide for now



Agree about what you say. Mardmole is like the Gajeel who fought Natsu in Phatom Lord : equal strength but still Natsu broke his bare hand on his face when he covered his body with Iron.

Mardmole is Gajeel's like but with a tougher armor who can no sell FDK Punch instead of FD Punch but with equal strength. We saw that when Natsu used Karyu no Tekken on Mardmole vs his own Tekken to equal strength but his durability broke Natsu's hand (this explain Wraith's statement about Natsu striking in same tier). Natsu needed to push his continuous FDK Heat Wave to bypass his durability. Still, while being highly damaged, Mardmole could rise and certainly could continue the fight if Skullion didn't stop him.

The fact is that Laxus, in his casual thunder, destroyed this durability to the point he wiped the floor with him and stayed down. So, yes, the gap in strength between FDK Natsu and casual Laxus is huge.

While Mardmole and Skullion served as overpowerful opponents in front of FDK Natsu and DS Grey, they only served as a warm-up for Casual Laxus in anticipation of his real fight : Kirin. And as Kirin could no sold his Casual lightning Tekken with his barrier but couldn't block the RL Raiko, exposed that Laxus using his RL moves is even greatly stronger, growing the gap with FDK Natsu.

Not to mention Dragon Force, it is clear that the Gildarts - Laxus and Erza category is on a whole different level than the Natsu - Grey and Gajeel category. The same gap as the Black Knights of Diabolos and the trio Kyria - Skullion - Mardmole by analogy.



Laxus tricked Kirin to steal the soul, replacing his lacrima. It's external help if you want as he regained all his magic power in process, but not necessary a boost as the lacrima and the soul are part of same magic. His lightning magic is no more born from a tool but now part of his own. He destroyed his father's legacy. He passed form 2nde Generation to 1st Generation.

I can't accept the way this guy and @sharkai always lump natsu together with fucking gray and gajeel. I can't accept it.
The way all this erza fanatics downplay natsu is fucking crazy, and it's the same dudes who bitch that laxus is to overwanked.

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It's Ok so I can't decide for now



Agree about what you say. Mardmole is like the Gajeel who fought Natsu in Phatom Lord : equal strength but still Natsu broke his bare hand on his face when he covered his body with Iron.

Mardmole is Gajeel's like but with a tougher armor who can no sell FDK Punch instead of FD Punch but with equal strength. We saw that when Natsu used Karyu no Tekken on Mardmole vs his own Tekken to equal strength but his durability broke Natsu's hand (this explain Wraith's statement about Natsu striking in same tier). Natsu needed to push his continuous FDK Heat Wave to bypass his durability. Still, while being highly damaged, Mardmole could rise and certainly could continue the fight if Skullion didn't stop him.

The fact is that Laxus, in his casual thunder, destroyed this durability to the point he wiped the floor with him and stayed down. So, yes, the gap in strength between FDK Natsu and casual Laxus is huge.

While Mardmole and Skullion served as overpowerful opponents in front of FDK Natsu and DS Grey, they only served as a warm-up for Casual Laxus in anticipation of his real fight : Kirin. And as Kirin could no sold his Casual lightning Tekken with his barrier but couldn't block the RL Raiko, exposed that Laxus using his RL moves is even greatly stronger, growing the gap with FDK Natsu.

Not to mention Dragon Force, it is clear that the Gildarts - Laxus and Erza category is on a whole different level than the Natsu - Grey and Gajeel category. The same gap as the Black Knights of Diabolos and the trio Kyria - Skullion - Mardmole by analogy.



Laxus tricked Kirin to steal the soul, replacing his lacrima. It's external help if you want as he regained all his magic power in process, but not necessary a boost as the lacrima and the soul are part of same magic. His lightning magic is no more born from a tool but now part of his own. He destroyed his father's legacy. He passed form 2nde Generation to 1st Generation.

Natsu vs suzaku happened in January 26th 2022 and you wrote this statement December 21st 2022. Natsu already fought a black dragon slayer knight and you still put him in dragon eater level....... you know erza vs kyria was not finished right? Kyria and madmolle only stopped cuz of skullion. I seriously hate how people look down on natsu's strength. The fact that natsu can take on suzaku and @Ronin31 and @sharkai still gonna put him at gray level is fucking insulting.

 

[WoWfan]

Laxus would take this but it would be a tougher fight than predicted since a slayer needs to be strong in order to actually beat their designated target, not just has Slayer advantage, GMG proves that much.

 

[FireIce]

Laxus stomps.

Chelia, at her strongest, still needed Wendy's help on top of a slayer advantage in order to beat someone like Dimaria.

 

[Ronin31]

Laxus stomps.

Chelia, at her strongest, still needed Wendy's help on top of a slayer advantage in order to beat someone like Dimaria.

If it's 100YQ's Laxus, then I agree as he was depected to be highly stronger than Arbaless' Laxus by Erza's statement. And he had another improvement by getting off his own lacrima (which is illogical for me).

 

[Axiomus]

Laxus is the same power level during 100YQ and Alvarez until he ate Elexion's power. Same red lightning. Only difference is he can now fully control it. Erza just didnt know about it, so she judged his strength based on what he can do with regular lightning.

Anyways, Laxus stomps. Madmole > Dimaria in durability. Laxus can also tank whatever Chelia throws at him.

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[Darklord#10]

Laxus is the same power level during 100YQ and Alvarez until he ate Elexion's power.

I disagree. He got stronger, why would he be a 90 in x792 and still be a 90 in x793? That's what you're trying to say

OT: any laxus shitstomps

 

[Axiomus]

I disagree. He got stronger, why would he be a 90 in x792 and still be a 90 in x793? That's what you're trying to say

OT: any laxus shitstomps

Well, in what meaningful way did he improve from Alvarez to 100YQ?

 

[Darklord#10]

Well, in what meaningful way did he improve from Alvarez to 100YQ?

Fairy tail in general grew stronger and that includes laxus to.
Ax, I'm kinda disappointed that you think he remained in the same power level after a whole ass year? Are you really saying that he was 90 in x792 and same in x793?

 

[Ronin31]

Same red lightning. Only difference is he can now fully control it. Erza just didnt know about it, so she judged his strength based on what he can do with regular lightning.

Correct if we take account only magic and yes the gap is huge between Yellow Lightning and Red Lightning : Classic Lightning = small attacks.

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• Ronin31
• Nov 18, 2023

But the same way his magic has improved in effectivity, he highly grew in physical stats as well since Arbaless :

Laxus improvement.jpg

• Ronin31
• Nov 18, 2023

Mastering a new deadly mode and having far better physical stats are the meaning of improvement. You can't say 100YQ Laxus is same as Arbaless'.
I highly disagree.

 

[WoWfan]

Laxus is the same power level during 100YQ and Alvarez until he ate Elexion's power. Same red lightning. Only difference is he can now fully control it. Erza just didnt know about it, so she judged his strength based on what he can do with regular lightning.

Anyways, Laxus stomps. Madmole > Dimaria in durability. Laxus can also tank whatever Chelia throws at him.

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Madmole is not stronger than Dimaria as she scales to other average Spriggans. And Madmole is harmed by base Elfman/BSS Mira. And one can immobilize a partially weakened DG. Nothing average DE can do.

 

[Axiomus]

Correct if we take account only magic and yes the gap is huge between Yellow Lightning and Red Lightning : Classic Lightning = small attacks.

Small attacks won't work.jpg

• Ronin31
• Nov 18, 2023

But the same way his magic has improved in effectivity, he highly grew in physical stats as well since Arbaless :

Laxus improvement.jpg

• Ronin31
• Nov 18, 2023

Mastering a new deadly mode and having far better physical stats are the meaning of improvement. You can't say 100YQ Laxus is same as Arbaless'.
I highly disagree.

Okay, but is the stuff Laxus doing here things he cant do in X791? Like is it on a different level than the lightning he used against Ajeel?

I can see there being improvement in terms of his MP, and maybe physical strength. I just dont think it's enough to put him on a different level than he was in X791. And this is true for almost every character.

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Fairy tail in general grew stronger and that includes laxus to.
Ax, I'm kinda disappointed that you think he remained in the same power level after a whole ass year? Are you really saying that he was 90 in x792 and same in x793?

Sure, they grew stronger. But not to a different level.

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Madmole is not stronger than Dimaria as she scales to other average Spriggans. And Madmole is harmed by base Elfman/BSS Mira. And one can immobilize a partially weakened DG. Nothing average DE can do.

The mere fact that Madmole can walk away from Natsu means his durability is better than Dimaria's. Elfman beat Ajeel, and Mirajane beat Jacob.

Aldoron wasnt immobilized. He stopped moving so he could shoot thorns at his body. If he was truly immobolized, the god seed would have felt it.

 

[WoWfan]

Okay, but is the stuff Laxus doing here things he cant do in X791? Like is it on a different level than the lightning he used against Ajeel?

I can see there being improvement in terms of his MP, and maybe physical strength. I just dont think it's enough to put him on a different level than he was in X791. And this is true for almost every character.

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Sure, they grew stronger. But not to a different level.

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The mere fact that Madmole can walk away from Natsu means his durability is better than Dimaria's. Elfman beat Ajeel, and Mirajane beat Jacob.

Aldoron wasnt immobilized. He stopped moving so he could shoot thorns at his body. If he was truly immobolized, the god seed would have felt it.

The fact that Invel can freeze the flames of FDK which sets the earth ablaze would speak otherwise, Elfman had sand beast and help from his sister, as oppose to an even team up with DE that ran away, Jacob had a handicap which Mira acknowledged in verse and to the audience. Aldoron could already shoot thorns out of its body, nothing states it was required, unless you can give a statement of that, it was immobilization as the allies stated.

 

[Axiomus]

The fact that Invel can freeze the flames of FDK which sets the earth ablaze would speak otherwise, Elfman had sand beast and help from his sister, as oppose to an even team up with DE that ran away, Jacob had a handicap which Mira acknowledged in verse and to the audience. Aldoron could already shoot thorns out of its body, nothing states it was required, unless you can give a statement of that, it was immobilization as the allies stated.

Invel didnt freeze FDK. Natsu can set the ground on fire without FDK. Natsu melted himself out of Invel's ice without FDK.

Sand beast just absorbs sand. Lisanna got oneshotted by Madmole. Mirajane fought Jacob without a takeover for most of the fight, and oneshotted him as soon as she recovered enough MP to use Satan Soul. Mirajane flat out said she isnt sure if she and Elfman could beat Skullion and Madmole.

He didnt stop moving because it was required to shoot the thorns. He stopped moving because he was shooting at himself, and it's easier to aim at targets on your body when you're not moving it around. The God Seed had all the power of Aldoron and served as the brain. If it could move and use magic, then Aldoron could move and use magic.

 

[Darklord#10]

I seriously can't stomach seeing natsu lump in fodders like those dragon eaters? Explain to me why the gap between fucking base laxus and fdk natsu is large?

 

[WoWfan]

No, that is something unique to FDK flames as Zeref stated, the ground ignite on its own. But it took a while to do so. Nothing impressive, what would have been is not being frozen at all. No Lisanna did not get defeated by Madmole but Lucy, who defeated Kyria who is on Madmole’s level, Mira can fight even without take over and even made a powerful mage like Azuma feel fear in base. And that is her not holding back against Jacob. Skullion said the same thing back to them and they ran away, so by logic of engagement FT won. And he can feel the impacts he gets outside too. Even a brain can move operate without the body moving, nothing required both being the same.

 

[Axiomus]

No, that is something unique to FDK flames as Zeref stated, the ground ignite on its own. But it took a while to do so. Nothing impressive, what would have been is not being frozen at all. No Lisanna did not get defeated by Madmole but Lucy, who defeated Kyria who is on Madmole’s level, Mira can fight even without take over and even made a powerful mage like Azuma feel fear in base. And that is her not holding back against Jacob. Skullion said the same thing back to them and they ran away, so by logic of engagement FT won. And he can feel the impacts he gets outside too. Even a brain can move operate without the body moving, nothing required both being the same.

Zeref was just impressed that Natsu set the whole area on fire. That doesnt mean every time Natsu sets the ground on fire, he's using FDK. He's done that without FDK.

Lucy copied Lisanna with Gemini, and Madmole oneshotted her. If Strauss Siblings were fighting Ajeel and Jacob, they would win and all be conscious. If they fought Madmole and Skullion, they would stakemate and Lisanna would be unconscious. No, him saying the same thing makes them equals. Dimaria getting shell shocked into a farmer. Logic tells us that Madmole is more durable than her for being able to physically walk away from Natsu.

The god seed and the dragon body share their power. The god seed could still had enough power to trade blows with DF Natsu. You dont think he could use that power to move the dragon body?

 

[WoWfan]

Nothing about whole are, he said the very earth as in the earth that cannot be set ablaze on it’s own. Apparently not as Zeref is a genius wizard and knows when something is unique in his flames to do that. She didn’t even use Lisanna’s best forms and just for distraction. Not the same thing as going all out. Not so if a Spriggan level character can immobilize a weakened DG. Mira fought a handicapped Jacob and Lisanna and Elfman team teamed up and had counters. And yet Skullion and Madmole Ran away. Sure but that doesn’t negates what happened before. Wizards can still use magic even when unconscious. Nothing special.

 

[Mimi0207]

Pointless thread.

 

[Loke]

Laxus had to fight a Spriggan who was his counter
Sherria was the counter for her Spriggan opponent

Do the math