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I am pretty sure that Evankhell doesn't have the healing flame but I have forgotten stuff and I haven't reached this part yet(I am rereading S3) so I'll ignore this.

There is no evidence that Woon had both even if his flames can destroy as well. Evankhell can burn things but she isn't always using the primeval flame of destruction for this. It's something she chooses to use like when she was facing Khel Hellam and So-Oh.

A.A. might be able to burn things but he has only used it for buff and healing AFAIR. And as I said above, you can burn things without using the primeval flame.
LOL AA is not a flame user!!! His flame has threatened to burn everything if AA abuses his power! Sweetfish even said that AA was the same as the pig!! It’s the same destructive flame the pig had!!
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She was not healed at all she just was unconscious and woke up.
She definitely was healed! That’s why the flame appeared before she woke up, exactly like AA!
 

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LOL AA is not a flame user!!! His flame has threatened to burn everything if AA abuses his power! Sweetfish even said that AA was the same as the pig!! It’s the same destructive flame the pig had!!
How does A.A. not count as a flame user now? He has the Firefish ability, which he got thanks to Woon, who is a Yeon.

He compared him to the pig because the latter was abusing his power. Plus the pig was going this via the hammer. A.A doesn't need it.
 

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I’m not saying AA can be destructive as EVK or that EVK can reinforce like AA… but the abilities are present in both their flames
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How does A.A. not count as a flame user now? He has the Firefish ability, which he got thanks to Woon, who is a Yeon.

He compared him to the pig because the latter was abusing his power. Plus the pig was going this via the hammer. A.A doesn't need it.
Primeval flame is given! He has not learned fire as a shinsu quality,
 

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Fire Fish resurrected this thread.....

also EVK may have the life saving flame, but she certainly doesn't have fire fish which is a WHOLE different deal. Fire fish not only is a manifestation of the Life Saving Flame but even told Khun that it is capable of burning everything to cinders.
 

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I’m not saying AA can be destructive as EVK or that EVK can reinforce like AA… but the abilities are present in both their flames
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Primeval flame is given! He has not learned fire as a shinsu quality,
Why separate the flames then? IThey are of different types for a reason. t's not like healing with other Shinsoo Manipulation techniques don't exist.

A.A. is able to use the Firefish's power so I don't see how he wouldn't count as a fire user. Because the fire itself is Shinsoo as well. His usage is simply very limited.
 

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Why separate the flames then? IThey are of different types for a reason. t's not like healing with other Shinsoo Manipulation techniques don't exist.

A.A. is able to use the Firefish's power so I don't see how he wouldn't count as a fire user. Because the fire itself is Shinsoo as well. His usage is simply very limited.
B/c he needs to tell fire fish to use it’s ability LOL.
 

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B/c he needs to tell fire fish to use it’s ability LOL.
no the fire fish specifically tells him he should be careful how he uses the flames. this means he doesn't direct the fish and can access the flames by himself. besides the fire fish doesn't seem like the type to take orders from anyone.
 

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The fiery elephant doesn’t have the ability to heal!!! Only her Primeval flame can!
Primeval flames came from the Ancient, there are 2 types, flame that destroy everything and flame that save everything. The elephant is an Ancient power. But that doesn't mean the elephant and/or Evankhell have the healing flame (flame that save everything) though.

Look at Season 3 Episode 125, Evankhell's wound still exist and her energy depleted, when AA's firefish heal, the wound disappear and the energy restored. It means Evankhell wasn't healed by primeval flame that save everyting.
 

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B/c he needs to tell fire fish to use it’s ability LOL.
It changes nothing. The Firefish is part of him. It's not different from Baam managing to use the abilities of the creatures he has absorbed.

EDIT: A.A. doesn't need to tell him anything too.
 
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It changes nothing. The Firefish is part of him. It's not different from Baam managing to use the abilities of the creatures he has absorbed.

EDIT: A.A. doesn't need to tell him anything too.
Is it really a part of him tho!?!?! AA is the 3rd person to carry this flame!
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Primeval flames came from the Ancient, there are 2 types, flame that destroy everything and flame that save everything. The elephant is an Ancient power. But that doesn't mean the elephant and/or Evankhell have the healing flame (flame that save everything) though.

Look at Season 3 Episode 125, Evankhell's wound still exist and her energy depleted, when AA's firefish heal, the wound disappear and the energy restored. It means Evankhell wasn't healed by primeval flame that save everyting.
What was left her flame/power brought her back, I’m guessing!!! But what is clear is that her flame brought her back to life after being impaled by WGW! Her flame appears over her body before coming back, exactly as AA’s did for him!!!
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MO the Primeval flame reacts to the individuals personality!!! The Pig was filled with anger and revenge so the flame was destructive. AA is Bam’s overprotective parent thus the flame is supportive!!!
 

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You all are forgetting one thing though. Fire fish said the flames Khun now wields will spread beyond his control if he uses them recklessly. It is quite possible that in restoring His Majesty to full power that parts of the flame jumped to EVK. We have seen instances where others could use the flames, hong saving Spicy sausage calzone, and Grande latte using it to buff his transformation. EVK was in proximity to when Elpathion died and nearly died herself in the process. Parts of the flame could have hitched a ride.
 

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Her flame appears over her body before coming back, exactly as AA’s did for him!!!
It's different though:
  • AA was engulfed by the fire while Evankhell was not, the fire was shown flaming in her body.
  • AA woke up without wound while Evankhell still had the wound.
  • AA had all of his blood returned inside his body while Evankhel still had blood on her shirt.
Those differences make it very clear that the flame shown when Evankhell regain consciousness is not "flame that heal everything". The flame could symbolyze her consciousness returning but I think it is the Ancient Elephant wake her up using the flame.
 
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Is AA’s flame really different though??? How many people did that pig heal/save with that hammer LOL!?!?!
 

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Is AA’s flame really different though??? How many people did that pig heal/save with that hammer LOL!?!?!
That pig used the hammer to fight instead of healing. Note that the hammer contained all of Yeon Woon's fire, not just his healing fire. Before Yeon Woon discover he has healing fire, he also fight with fire just like other Yeon family member.

As of now, we don't even know if the firefish AA receiveid contain all of Yeon Woon's healing fire, some healing fire might be left behind in the hammer and claimed back by Yeon Woon. We also don't know if AA also receive offensive fire, it could all be left behind at the hammer and claimed back by Yeon Woon.
 

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Lol a flame is a flame!!! AA’s flame can be both and same should apply to EVK
 

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Lol a flame is a flame!!! AA’s flame can be both and same should apply to EVK
Nope, there are different type of flames, your are clearly not listening (reading) to Evankhell's explanation, she said aside of normal flame, there are also two type of primeval flames, they are distinctive.

Nb: if you are denying this, feel free to debate Evankhell. I hope she won't burn you.
 
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Nope, there are different type of flames, your are clearly not listening (reading) to Evankhell's explanation, she said aside of normal flame, there are also two type of primeval flames, they are distinctive.
LOL Woon’s Primeval flame had both abilities and now AA
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When Woon made the hammer with all his flame, the pig used it for destruction. That same flame passed onto AA and now he’s supporting allies….
 

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LOL Woon’s Primeval flame had both abilities and now AA
That same flame passed onto AA and now he’s supporting allies…
There are 2 different primeval flames, Woon could have both but that doesn't mean AA receive both.

Claiming AA receive both is making claim that cannot be proved at the moment. He might receive both but it is not confirmed. It's just speculation.
 

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S3ch25 sweetfish was with the pig too… AND didn’t heal a damn thing lol!!! it can have both abilities
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There are 2 different primeval flames, Woon could have both but that doesn't mean AA receive both.

Claiming AA receive both is making claim that cannot be proved at the moment. He might receive both but it is not confirmed. It's just speculation.
Lol how?!?! The pig was destroying everything and AA got it next LOL!!! Why isn’t AA destructive???
 

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Lol how?!?! The pig was destroying everything and AA got it next LOL!!! Why isn’t AA destructive???
Because there are 2 type of flames in that hammer (IT IS NOT A SINGLE TYPE OF FLAME!!!). The pig only use the destructive one, not the healing one. When the hammer heal AA he got the healing flame (might be full, might be partial). AA could also get the destructive flame but it is not confirmed as of now.

Btw, in Season 3 Episode 26, Evankhell said the primeval flame she can use is flame that can burn many things.
 
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