You mean this one
If Goku had dodged this, maybe the world would have ended .You mean this one
Oh my base goku who had suppressed his power to the limits so that he doesn't kill those thugs somehow got a little bump on skin is suddenly having low durability lol. try something else manIf Goku had dodged this, maybe the world would have ended .
He is martial arts expert. His personality is only goofball when he isn't fighting. And as i said urek has no answer to his speed,strength or durability . Goku can literally one shot the verseGoing with Urek here.
I see Goku as the like the personification of raw power. Which is great and super strong but with Urek I just don't think that enough. He has that kind of power in addition to hax abilities the upper limits of we really don't have much of an idea about. This does make him somewhat vague but given what shinsoo does in ToG and how much mastery of it Urek has. Seems to me like he's be able to take care of Goku that way.
Espeically since Goku.. well. How to say this diplomatically? Has a potato where his brain should be.
There is a character named Phantaminum you know in Tower of God,he is basically like an "Author" as stated by SIU,there is no way Goku is soloing the verse.He is martial arts expert. His personality is only goofball when he isn't fighting. And as i said urek has no answer to his speed,strength or durability . Goku can literally one shot the verse
Tower of God's tower is a size of a large planet due to having continent sized dimensions in it. Phateminium can destroy the tower through reality warping so he is large planet level whereas goku can destroy entire galaxies to universe. The power gap is too hugeThere is a character named Phantaminum you know in Tower of God,he is basically like an "Author" as stated by SIU,there is no way Goku is soloing the verse.
I am not talking about size or power level, Phantaminum is an "Author" something similar to "The Writer" in DC or Featherine in Umineko or Law of Identity in Demon King Daimao.Tower of God's tower is a size of a large planet due to having continent sized dimensions in it. Phateminium can destroy the tower through reality warping so he is large planet level whereas goku can destroy entire galaxies to universe. The power gap is too huge
Who had suppressed what? They shot at him, he blocked the bullet and this is what happened. Where did that "Suppressed" his powers come from?Oh my base goku who had suppressed his power to the limits so that he doesn't kill those thugs somehow got a little bump on skin is suddenly having low durability lol. try something else man
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The Tower itself is bigger than Earth. SIU said he can erase the world of Tower of God, he never said only the planet or stuff like that.Tower of God's tower is a size of a large planet due to having continent sized dimensions in it. Phateminium can destroy the tower through reality warping so he is large planet level whereas goku can destroy entire galaxies to universe. The power gap is too huge
Dude it seems you don't understand what it means. Goku was in base form and he was going easy on the thugs because they are humans. You speak as if goku only has bullet level durability when this dude has multiple transformations which increases his power and durability.Who had suppressed what? They shot at him, he blocked the bullet and this is what happened. Where did that "Suppressed" his powers come from?
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The Tower itself is bigger than Earth. SIU said he can erase the world of Tower of God, he never said only the planet or stuff like that.
Also, Goku getting hurt by these bullets happens in both the anime and the manga. So that's definitely in Toriyama's script.
You said Goku suppressed his powers, he didn't. There is a difference between going easy on someone and suppressing your powers. The Tower is on an unknown planet, the ToG verse itself is part of the TUS(Urek and Phanta for example aren't from the same world as Zahard and co). I repeat, SIU is a meticulous person. If it was "Phantaminum" can just erase the Tower he would have said it.Dude it seems you don't understand what it means. Goku was in base form and he was going easy on the thugs because they are humans. So he was going easy on them. You speak as if goku only has bullet level durability when this dude has multiple transformations which increases his power and durability.
The tower itself is large planet in size and an axis like phanteminum can erase it. And the tower exists in a world as we already know that people can enter/exit the tower.
And dude you are exaggerating the word 'HURT'. He was only scratched and he wasn't even in powered up state. Nowhere does it says that he is hurt.
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Goku always has his power suppressed when not fighting and its a known fact. If you even knew anything about ki then you wouldn't have said so.You said Goku suppressed his powers, he didn't. There is a difference between going easy on someone and suppressing your powers. The Tower is on an unknown planet, the ToG verse itself is part of the TUS(Urek and Phanta for example aren't from the same world as Zahard and co). I repeat, SIU is a meticulous person. If it was "Phantaminum" can just erase the Tower he would have said it.
Do you think it makes sense to say that "Goku is multiversal whatever" and defend the fact that a bullet managed to damage his body? In the first chapter of Dragon Ball, Kid Goku took a bullet and I think he was even less affected by them. When I posted the pics of Roshi dodging Jiren's attacks, you didn't say anything too.
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Shouldn't Base Goku be Planet Level+ or whatever? Being in base is no excuse.
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Goku isn't part of T. O. G. So it doesn't matter if axis are writer or notGoku has universal raw power, but power alone wont get Goku far against Phantaminum. A fictional character from a story cant beat an author. No matter how weak an Axis is, he/she can only be beaten by another axis.
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It's clear he suppressing theses guys. And as i proved he Had lowered his guards and was looking at a different direction.Goku always having his power suppressed when he isn't fighting is not true at all. It has never been stated in the series AFAIR. It's something you came up with probably because it makes you feel better when you see stuff like this. Plus, he was fighting these guys. The very fact that he said that it was due to him getting rusty is more than enough to counter what you said too.
I can't show you pics of Phanta erasing the ToG-verse. SIU said he can, that's all that matters. My source aren't just the pictures.
Ki control in Dragon Ball has never been particularly fleshed out. I am a DB fan too, I have seen what Goku can do, but ignoring the "embarrassing" feats, don't change the fact that they exist.
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Roshi being able to dodge Jiren's moves, even when he is holding back, is absolutely ridiculous. And it was not just once.
Thats not how these crossover vs battles work. If we went by this logic than most of the characters wouldnt even be able to fight each other.Goku isn't part of T. O. G. So it doesn't matter if axis are writer or not
Ok, I will up tht for you even more. Urek has destructive ability of sun - a star & Sun = 1.3 millions earth ...Is tht ok ? Let's say he can even compress to tht level.About Urek's upper limit, it is unknown. Because we never saw his full power, but we have some feats in the story, statements by the author and can scale what he can do compared to other characters who are weaker than him. Unlike Toriyama, SIU is particular about feats and world building. I said it in the previous thread, but casually destroying a floor isn't an issue for Urek, Guardians and the Family Heads. SIU lets him do amazing stuff once in a while when he is fooling around and tease us about his full power.
A floor is at least as big as North America, the wikia says that it makes the Tower at least 11 times bigger than earth. A character weaker than Urek can destroy half of the Tower simply by decompressing one of his spears so do the maths there. The character card about him having LS attacks have been there for more than a decade and as we advance, we do see that there is no reason to doubt any of that.
So, everything is clear for Goku but when I mention something I always need to post proofs? It's embarrassing yes because:It's clear he suppressing theses guys. And as i proved he Had lowered his guards and was looking at a different direction.
So you can't post scans of SIU saying he can do that ooooookkkkkkkkkk niceeee
Ki control has been pretty fleshed out. It isn't embarrassing when he was in base and was lowering his guards.
As i said that's roshi's feat. Even beerus and whis were impressed by him. So i have no idea why you even bring it
Sorry man, but goku won't be defeated even at size of amoeba, much less ant. he just has to release omni directional blast. simple as tht.So, everything is clear for Goku but when I mention something I always need to post proofs? It's embarassing yes because:
What I said never changed. I said that Goku would get compressed by Urek, nerfing his abilities and so he would be easily outclassed by Urek. IT could allow him to avoid sealing potentially, but not defeating Urek when he would be probably even smaller than an ant. You claimed that DB characters can't be affected by hax, it has been proven wrong. Even the fact that UI can't be hit has been proven in this thread. Toriyama isn't that serious. You are the first one who mentioned feats of different characters. As of now, I still don't see how Goku could avoid being defeated by compression. A miniature Goku is certainly not going to defeat him.
- You claim that Base Goku is universal, mutiversal or something, he still got scratched by bullet. But you find this acceptable.
- Ki control has never been fleshed out in Dragon Ball.
- Looking at another direction? Did you miss this? And if that's enough to deal with such a martial artist, yes, it should be embarrassing.
- You want Phanta's feats, pics even, but you want Roshi's feat to be ignored in this battle.