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Yakusoku no Neverland Kaiu Shirai and Posuka Demizu | - | Vagabond Takehiko Inoue |
Thxs so much Magi-chaaan love you somuch
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@Demonspeed buuuut didn't mean to....Erin, I thought YnN and HxH were your only priorities but you came in the NNT VS DGM thread and instavoted for my opponent. I will make you pay!
dgm= Marian cross my apologies didn't even see which manga it was facing 
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I actually agree with this, but my point was that Neverland stays in the middle. I can understand why people like it for that, but I personally don't. If some of the kids actually died more regularly (like a certain someone should have considering the build-up imo) and there was more sense of danger due to that, I would put Neverland as one of the better manga I read currently as the plot is quite solid generally. Considering it does not do that, that was more my point. Preferenced based as usual though, so I get what you mean.but....
Why many people are assuming that a shonen is necessarly less good than a seinen. There s a ton of average if not bad seinen and great shonen, there's some shonen that are better than some seinen and consersely. Being darker doesn't mean being good, being gory doesnt mean being good, being not dark or not so dark doesnt mean being bad, those logics are so wrong,i don't say Vagabond is bad i know it's a great manga even if i havent read it, but Neverland is a great manga so far too. Vagabond art is great yes sure but TPN art is amazing too, even if it's not done by some famoius veteran. Pliz dont be blinded by bias and manga clichés.
Please give Neverland a chance, also it's been 4 years vagabond is on hiatus so
Some TPN madness :
, in other circumstances ofc i would have supported it .
It's THAT engaging.
Much of that is preference based so I totally respect that. I guess why I say this for Neverland specifically is because it does actually go for being dark. The first chapters hit you pretty clearly with that vibe. Yet it continues to not be willing to go all that far in that direction before stopping. It wants to make you believe that an ideal that is childish and nonsense is actually valid, while also trying to give off some horror/dark vibes. I am not 100 percent caught up (like 5-6 chapters behind) but from what I have seen that is my impression.My vote goes to Neverland. Not for obvious reasons but because I can honestly say it's one of the best manga I've read in a while. The characters and the art are top tier. I can understand @Aizen when he says it teases at being dark but doesn't follow through. In some instances what you expect to happen doesn't happen and that can be a point of frustration, but in my opinion even though it doesn't always go the route we want it to the path it does take is easily as interesting. For example The situation with Ray. I can understand how it was a letdown for some but:
The journey they're on is still new. They're encountering different obstacles everyday. They haven't been out in the world since they were born, so although they have books to guide them they're still learning and adapting to a world that isn't even meant for them. All they have is each other.While having Ray die there would have been great for dramatic purposes, overall I feel it would have been empty. He felt guilty that he had to watch as his siblings were shipped off to become food for demons. So guilty that he didn't allow himself to get closer to them except Norman and Emma. Those were the only two he thought he legitimately had a chance to save so he put all his focus into saving them all the while planning to atone for his helplessness by not only killing himself but destroying as much of the system as he could. To have him die like that would have been sending the message that yes some of it was his fault when in reality what could a 6 year old child do when faced with demons? If we look at him now, in comparison to what he was like before, the character growth is amazing. He's no longer turning his back on his siblings. He's put himself in the role of protector, and sure the odds are still against them but he has something he didn't have before. He has hope. He wants to live now and it's actually a beautiful thing.
At the end of every chapter you're disappointed because you want to know more. That's how much it is captures you. The Promised Neverland is an adventure and one I would highly recommend to everyone
And that's fine, I agree there is an elitism complex in almost everything you consume in media. Heck there would probably be some that would scoff at my love for Berserk and Vagabond for that matter as well. On the other hand Shonen dominates Seinen in sales, which clearly shows popularity wise, it's not even close, so it really is not a severe issue imo.@Aizen I wasnt denying at all the impact of Vagabond, i was speaking of seinen generally speaking, theres currently a kind of trend that consist in incensing seinen and bashing shonen. im reading basically everywhere stuff like : "love it because its a seinen . "hate it because its shonen" "lame its a shonen. " "oh too great love its so so mature"
Vagabond is a manga Im definitely interested in also musashi is really hooooot
Just to illustrate what im trying to say, theres a monthly manga ("starving anonymous") that started basically at the same time than TPN, and that is about very similar topics, anthropophagy, humans being fattened to be eaten , its extremely gory I don't know about how good it is or not but this manga is a huge success in Japan so far (its not scanalated in English i think), and likely because of its graphic side. It's currently selling even more than TPN, I ve seen a couple of chapters of this and find it tbh, disgusting. Im not sure it's better than TPN in term of plot or storytelling or character writing (i m not saying its bad neither, actually i dont know), but I assume people mainly like it because they are eager of morbid & disturbing stuff.
even "monsters" "aliens " are similar
But that's not what it does. In fact many characters have mentioned how impossible what they want to achieve is. Those who they've met so far have told them the odds aren't in their favor at all. Those of us who read it regularly comment at how naive they're being. But the Manga's underlying theme is hope. So despite the readers having a somewhat jaded view of what they're trying to accomplish it doesn't stop us from wanting to see all they're success or failures.
I understand what you mean. But have you considered it wasn't actually leading up to that specific outcome? It wasn't fake drama, the drama was definitely there, the character even went through with his objective, it just failed to produce the outcome most of us expected, even me. But I'm also fine with the way it turned out, even relieved actually lol. So in this aspect the author has managed to induce different reactions to the situation. Some annoyed, some relieved. And you have to admit the unpredictability is what makes it a bit fun as well
Alright, well this is my last word on this since I really don't intend to debate Neverland's plot points massively in-depth hereBut that's not what it does. In fact many characters have mentioned how impossible what they want to achieve is. Those who they've met so far have told them the odds aren't in their favor at all. Those of us who read it regularly comment at how naive they're being. But the Manga's underlying theme is hope. So despite the readers having a somewhat jaded view of what they're trying to accomplish it doesn't stop us from wanting to see all they're success or failures.
The horror vibes were only really for the first few chapters when we were being introduced to the truth of their world. The demons have become somewhat of a staple, a background threat that's looming you could say. So while the situation is dark it's not at the level where you would expect jump scares every other chapter.
I understand what you mean. But have you considered it wasn't actually leading up to that specific outcome? It wasn't fake drama, the drama was definitely there, the character even went through with his objective, it just failed to produce the outcome most of us expected, even me. But I'm also fine with the way it turned out, even relieved actually lol. So in this aspect the author has managed to induce different reactions to the situation. Some annoyed, some relieved. And you have to admit the unpredictability is what makes it a bit fun as well
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