Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel
His Korouzu seems very directional - it pulled Ace in but none of the rubble surrounding them. Enel can move as swiftly as lightning, and merge into objects such as gold or wood - Korouzo seems to me to be unlikely to work, especially with Enel being able to know precisely when and where BB will use it...Marshall D. Teach is one of those pirates that Oda meant to defeat Enel if he downs to Blue Sea. His resistance is superb, i'm sure it will endure any thunderbolt while with just a Kurouzu he attract him and finish it with a quake-punch.
Then use Blackhole in the ground to retain him while he get near him to touch and knock-up. I mentioned his resistance because it's the main characteristic of his victory.His Korouzu seems very directional - it pulled Ace in but none of the rubble surrounding them. Enel can move as swiftly as lightning, and merge into objects such as gold or wood - Korouzo seems to me to be unlikely to work, especially with Enel being able to know precisely when and where BB will use it...
Even if BB does manage to attract Enel, Ace showed how easy it is to counterattack while you're getting sucked towards BB - Enel could do serious damage with that, and then not even be touched by BB by using his staff and athletic talents to dodge/block BB's punch.
Plus, at range, he can easily use Thor or Julungul to do incredible damage from range (http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v26/c241/12.html shows Thor destroying a large area) and , not risking touching BB, and he could always go into Amaru if things get bad.
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two fruits?enel ^^ badassfruit, godlike mantra, logia... what du u want more?
Exactly. Enel is utterly screwed. Blackbeard totally trashed a fire logia even before he had Whitebeard's power. Now it's just overkill. All the CoO haki (mantra) in the world doesn't mean a thing, it just alerts you to the fact you're about to get owned by a super strong attack. Plus even Ace, who had the King's haki that Enel lacks, couldn't beat Blackbeard, Enel's screwed. Not even light (or lightning) can escape the pull of the darkness fruit. Blackbeard can either pull you in or just quake you right out of the sky. Totally overpowered.two fruits?
Blackbeard totally trashed Ace - Ace wouldn't stand a chance vs Enel. By the logic of 'He beat one Logia, he could easily beat another' Blackbeard could defeat all Admirals, and Usopp, after beating Perona, could defeat Whitebeard. Just because he beat one Logia - and one of the weakest Logia users we've seen - he won't necessarily win all matches, or else we should just end OP now since Luffy's beat Moria, Lucci and Caeser Clown.Exactly. Enel is utterly screwed. Blackbeard totally trashed a fire logia even before he had Whitebeard's power. Now it's just overkill. All the CoO haki (mantra) in the world doesn't mean a thing, it just alerts you to the fact you're about to get owned by a super strong attack. Plus even Ace, who had the King's haki that Enel lacks, couldn't beat Blackbeard, Enel's screwed. Not even light (or lightning) can escape the pull of the darkness fruit. Blackbeard can either pull you in or just quake you right out of the sky. Totally overpowered.
That's getting a little out of hand, how am I implying Usopp would beat Whitebeard???Blackbeard totally trashed Ace - Ace wouldn't stand a chance vs Enel. By the logic of 'He beat one Logia, he could easily beat another' Blackbeard could defeat all Admirals, and Usopp, after beating Perona, could defeat Whitebeard. Just because he beat one Logia - and one of the weakest Logia users we've seen - he won't necessarily win all matches, or else we should just end OP now since Luffy's beat Moria, Lucci and Caeser Clown.
CoO Haki lets you know essentially see the future - Luffy used it Vs. Mihawk, saw a strong attack, and consequently avoided it. Mihawk is much stronger than Luffy, and yet Luffy was able to avoid injury by using it. Enel is far, far stronger, faster, more athletic, and overall more powerful than Luffy - he's fully capable of using his CoO haki to see BB's attack, then his speed, power, staff, and the ability to merge into objects like trees then move at the speed of lightning to escape. Ace was strong, yeah, but he wasn't top class - Against Admirals or the like Ace wouldn't last long at all. Enel is far stronger than Ace - his DF is described as 'unbeatable' and he lost after a long, hard fight with Luffy - and pretty much all of that fight was Enel unable to use his 'unbeatable' Logia fruit.
If BB decides to pull Enel is (assuming Enel can't avoid it somehow) then all that's doing is giving Enel a chance to seriously injure BB before dodging the punch - After BB pulls you in he goes for physical contact, which Enel, with his strength, agility, and Mantra, is perfectly suited to countering. I think if you think it will be a stomp you need to re-read the Skypeia arc - Enel was far stronger than being beaten by Luffy made him seem: I'd put him at on Admiral Level, and against someone who fights in close quarters, he's as invincible as Robin said...
BB's strong, but relies on physical contact. Enel's speciality is avoiding physical combat. BB is incredibly strong, but this match-up is one that I have to say favours his opponent...
Implying that Ace having a bounty of 550mill, and Enel having a bounty of 500mill, means Ace is stronger is directly implying Caribou beats Zoro and Sanji put together. Bounties aren't the be all and end all - Ace's bounty was so high because he was A) A top crew member in Whitebeard's crew, and B) the son of Gol D. Roger. Having a high bounty doesn't mean you're strong, there are other reasons for getting bounties...That's getting a little out of hand, how am I implying Usopp would beat Whitebeard???
Blackbeard excels in close combat, he scarred Shanks even before having any fruit. And it wasn't a fluke or something, he was formidable enough for Shanks to make a special trip to go warn Whitebeard not to send Ace after Blackbeard.
If Enel was able to avoid basically everything, like you're saying, then he wouldn't have been hit by the large ball of gold on Luffy fist. That's how he was defeated. He saw it coming, couldn't evade it, was injured by it even though he was hit by the gold, not Luffy's rubber body.
So really now...
Blackbeard utterly defeated Ace, a logia at least as powerful as Enel (Ace's bounty was 550 million, Oda said Enel's would be 500 million). So based off of what we've actually seen happen in the manga, Blackbeard wins this.
The bounty logic was for Sachsenhesse anyway. But Caribou was probably stronger than Zoro and Sanji before the timeskip since they have not much idea of haki. I'm not a big fan of these bounties though.Implying that Ace having a bounty of 550mill, and Enel having a bounty of 500mill, means Ace is stronger is directly implying Caribou beats Zoro and Sanji put together. Bounties aren't the be all and end all - Ace's bounty was so high because he was A) A top crew member in Whitebeard's crew, and B) the son of Gol D. Roger. Having a high bounty doesn't mean you're strong, there are other reasons for getting bounties...
Yes, I agree Blackbeard excels in Close Combat, but Enel excels at fighting from range and staying out of Close Combat. The match-up is unfavourable to Blackbeard - I'm not saying he's weak, I'm saying Enel has the advantage due to his powers.
Enel was defeated by a single blow from Luffy, yes. While in his giant (possibly immobile) form. Which he went into to use an attack that would have killed Luffy were he not made of Rubber. Luffy says it himself while running down Enel's arm - 'That won't work on me!' Enel, before going into his giant form, was only hit by Luffy's random attacks - such as deflecting them off a wall. Once in giant form he was slower, but much more powerful. Were he to go into that form vs Blackbeard, then Blackbeard could and would definitely hit him. But that's assuming BB survives the lightning onslaught that's hitting him, and even if he can grab onto Enel to neutralise his powers while in giant form, then since Enel's body is made of lightning - moreso than just a logia, he was actually a giant lightning god - so there's nothing saying BB won't get electrocuted. This is like the Shiki fight all over again - the final blow is always going to be set up in some way special, or else it would just be used from the start.
And as for being hit by the gold, Enel described it when Luffy was spinning the orb around, in order to disrupt the electricity - the orb conducts electricity, so it's drawn into it. That's why the lightning ball broke up, because the power was drawn into the gold ball and then not into Luffy due to his rubber power. By the same logic, Enel's armour of lightning would have been drawn into the golden ball too, meaning he has less defence and can't move. When the ball hits him, he's in full lightning god mode, and then when he hits the bell, he's not. He's back to normal. There were so many circumstances in Luffy's favour (as always in big battles) that Enel losing is almost meaningless. Ace, on the other hand, had a fair fight with Blackbeard, both going all out, and Blackbeard won, although it was close. Ace did manage to ignite BB a few times, and then went and stuck two flaming spears through him. Ace, in an even fight, was close to Blackbeard. Luffy, in a fight wherethe most vital aspect was in his favour - Enel's DF was useless for both attacking and defending vs Luffy - only just managed to come away victorious.
I'm sorry, but saying 'Blackbeard defeated Ace, with a Logia, therefore he'd defeat Enel' is just nonsense...
oh dont take me too seriouslyThe bounty logic was for Sachsenhesse anyway.