Last 16: Match up 5!: Blackbeard vs. Enel

[Josef]

Going by their powers they are literally equal, BB with his two DFs and Enel with his Mantra and uber powerful DF can really do some damage. It's just that we met them in different set ups in the story, that is why it is harder to judge them. Let's look at it this way, let them fight for a couple of times, I am sure Enel can take some and BB can take some. In the end one might take one or two fights, that are not to the death of course, but rather than that we can just go by our intuition to who might that be. I kind of take it for BB he has the will to survive and to fight, maybe not genuine but certainly a descent amount.

 

[Kazu-Sama]

Enel could have a chance if he knows Busoshoku Haki and hit him with his trident but unfortunately I don't think he knows it yet.

As everybody's favorite poster with a creepy HxH avatar (Uriel, yours isn't creepy. Gon is cool, The wish-granting genie is scary...) pointed out, Haki is unnecessary vs BB. The Guru Guru no mi is a paramacina type, and his Yami Yami no mi (or Yomi Yomi, damn you Kenichi for confusing me...) doesn't give him intangibility. Quite the opposite, in fact - he takes every hit he absorbs.

Enel may or may not have CoA Haki, which is why he's not going to beat the likes of Aokiji or Kizaru. However, against BB he's pretty much the perfect counter - can move as fast as thunder to avoid being sucked in by his powers (http://www.mangareader.net/103-2371-15/one-piece/chapter-264.html - that's serious distance covered in no time), specialises in long-range combat, being able to inflict massive damage from great range, and has incredible CoO haki, coupled with his DF powers, that let him dodge clse-combat attacks with ease.

BB is fantastically strong, I'm not suggesting otherwise, but the match-up is perfectly suited for Enel.

 

[Mr. Arashi]

Still Kazu isn't explaining how Enel defeats Teach D: I'm waiting that for argue.

Really, to me someone who scratch Shanks' face, whom stay in battle with Mihawk or Whitebeard, to be defeated by a simple logia is a completely nonsense.

 

[jaymizzo]

Still Kazu isn't explaining how Enel defeats Teach D: I'm waiting that for argue.

Really, to me someone who scratch Shanks' face, whom stay in battle with Mihawk or Whitebeard, to be defeated by a simple logia is a completely nonsense.

Teach is a coward and those feats were done with cowardice. You cannot use those feats to at all measure BB as a fighter. Enels DF is just as haxed as BB but as someone has already mentioned, Teach requires physical contact inorder to be able to nullify DF. He cant teleport like Enel can nor move at high speeds. There has been really good explanations of how Enel outclasses BB but you guys seem to ignore them.

So far Enel has shown better usage of his Haki, better Agility, Speed and pure Endurance and durability.

 

[Kazu-Sama]

Teach is a coward and those feats were done with cowardice. You cannot use those feats to at all measure BB as a fighter. Enels DF is just as haxed as BB but as someone has already mentioned, Teach requires physical contact inorder to be able to nullify DF. He cant teleport like Enel can nor move at high speeds. There has been really good explanations of how Enel outclasses BB but you guys seem to ignore them.

So far Enel has shown better usage of his Haki, better Agility, Speed and pure Endurance and durability.

Precisely. A sea king bit of Shank's arm, are you suggesting a simple sea king is as strong as one of the Yonkou? We don't know the situation Shanks got the injury in, and BB has typically fought from the shadows (pun not intended.) As for 'BB fought with Mihawk and Whitebeard, therefore he's stronger' is absolute rubbish. Rayleigh hasn't fought against Whitebeard or Mihawk, and Buggy has. So, by your argument, is Buggy stronger than Rayleigh? Fights are situational - we have no idea how well Enel would have fared vs those opponents, but since he's now on the moon, we won't now.

Enel has shown himself to be far, far superior in ranged combat. As for damaging BB, I've already pointed out Thor and Julungul, which are incredibly powerful at range. But, if you insist, Enel could also shock BB with any range of volts to damage him - he may have great endurance, but he still feels pain, as shown when Ace kept setting him on fire - when he gets close, one of those could do some damage and stun BB enough for Enel to get away. Alternatively, if BB is trying to hide and strike at the opportune time, Enel could use Sango to electrocute him from range. Or, of course, BB could try to suck Enel in, and he could go into his Amaru mode and fry him like that. Zoro, who was shown to have pretty nuts endurance (taking all of Luffy's fatigue after the Moria battle, for instance) was OHKO'd by an Enel who was A) not fighting seriously in any way, shape or form and B) fighting off Robin (OHKO'd) and Wiper (who killed Enel. Of course, that's not gunna stop him...)

Even if you are 100% right, BB is far, far stronger, and manages to OHKO Enel, then Enel can bring himself back to life.]. Sure, BB could neutralise it, but it would work at least once as a surprise attack, and you surely can't be saying that a surprised Blackbeard could take an attack that destroys islands, are you?

 

[Cyrs]

Teach is a coward and those feats were done with cowardice. You cannot use those feats to at all measure BB as a fighter. Enels DF is just as haxed as BB but as someone has already mentioned, Teach requires physical contact inorder to be able to nullify DF. He cant teleport like Enel can nor move at high speeds. There has been really good explanations of how Enel outclasses BB but you guys seem to ignore them.

So far Enel has shown better usage of his Haki, better Agility, Speed and pure Endurance and durability.

Unfortunately, the manga says otherwise.

http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2541-11/one-piece/chapter-434.html

Shanks says he wasn't being careless, talking about how strong Blackbeard is.

 

[Kazu-Sama]

Unfortunately, the manga says otherwise.

http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2541-11/one-piece/chapter-434.html

Shanks says he wasn't being careless, talking about how strong Blackbeard is.

Shanks wasn't being careless vs the Sea King either, he knew precisely what he was doing. And yet he lost an arm. Now, I'll say it again. We don't know the circumstances under which BB injured Shanks, and until we do, we can't judge what that means about BB's strength. Yes, Shanks warned WB not to let Ace fight BB. But Ace was shown to be roughly equal to Smoker, who is almost certainly the weakest of all the Logia users we've seen. Ace had a high bounty because of who he was, not who he beat.

Enel showed raw destructive power that rivals the admirals, close combat skills that rival Mihawk, the speed of Rayleigh or Kizaru, and the total Devil Fruit mastery of Luffy - although, of course, his devil fruit is far, far stronger than Luffy's. His biggest weakness, IE potential lack of CoA Haki, doesn't matter one iota vs a Logia user who's logia increases damage they take. Victory to Enel.

 

[jaymizzo]

Unfortunately, the manga says otherwise.

http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2541-11/one-piece/chapter-434.html

Shanks says he wasn't being careless, talking about how strong Blackbeard is.

How does that prove that it was not a cowardly attack? Yes Shanks could have been careful and BB could have still done something sneaky like he always does. So far the only person he has fought fairly (or atleast seemed that way) was Ace. Everyone else of equal or greater strength was either cheap shotted or ganged upon. Heck he took his whole Pirate crew just for Booney

 

[SuperPeon]

Teach is a coward and those feats were done with cowardice. You cannot use those feats to at all measure BB as a fighter. Enels DF is just as haxed as BB but as someone has already mentioned, Teach requires physical contact inorder to be able to nullify DF. He cant teleport like Enel can nor move at high speeds. There has been really good explanations of how Enel outclasses BB but you guys seem to ignore them.

So far Enel has shown better usage of his Haki, better Agility, Speed and pure Endurance and durability.

Enel can't teleport, he could just move fast. This is where the Blackbeard's fruit comes handy. If I understood right, his darkness gravitation pulls the fruit user towards him. If we're talking about endurance, BB (including his fruit's weakness) should last a bit longer than Enel. Based on what shown in the manga, Blackbeard is even physically stronger than Luffy.

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Shanks wasn't being careless vs the Sea King either, he knew precisely what he was doing. And yet he lost an arm. Now, I'll say it again. We don't know the circumstances under which BB injured Shanks, and until we do, we can't judge what that means about BB's strength. Yes, Shanks warned WB not to let Ace fight BB. But Ace was shown to be roughly equal to Smoker, who is almost certainly the weakest of all the Logia users we've seen. Ace had a high bounty because of who he was, not who he beat.

Enel showed raw destructive power that rivals the admirals, close combat skills that rival Mihawk, the speed of Rayleigh or Kizaru, and the total Devil Fruit mastery of Luffy - although, of course, his devil fruit is far, far stronger than Luffy's. His biggest weakness, IE potential lack of CoA Haki, doesn't matter one iota vs a Logia user who's logia increases damage they take. Victory to Enel.

He gave his arm because he wanted to bet. Not that because he couldn't kill the sea king. Blackbeard has also a destructive power. A power to suuuck in everythiiing including lightning. He could also attack from far using his Gura Guraaa fruuuit. O yea.
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Btw., which manga chapter was shown that Ace was fighting equal against Smoker? If I remember right, it was just a filler and they forgot that Ace has a haki.

 

[jaymizzo]

Enel can't teleport, he could just move fast. This is where the Blackbeard's fruit comes handy. If I understood right, his darkness gravitation pulls the fruit user towards him. If we're talking about endurance, BB (including his fruit's weakness) should last a bit longer than Enel. Based on what shown in the manga, Blackbeard is even physically stronger than Luffy.

Him getting pulled is really not going to hinder him escaping or moving away now is it? Its not like the pull is so strong or instant, Enel has plenty of time to do quite a lot. Infact i think it was Kazu who explained how BB should not even try to pull or come into close range with Enel because of the potential of heavy damage being rained upon him.

And since when did BB become physically stronger than Luffy? Out of all his showings, i dont see where you get this assumption.

 

[Mr. Arashi]

Teach is not a coward, he only use everything in his power to take advantage, like a true pirate. He's D, he killed Commander Thatch and hurt a Yonko without fruit.

Right now, the very discussion is whether Enel knockout Teach before he get a hold to defeat him in one-punch. The agility Vs the resistance, which one keep it longer? It's stated that D.'s has great powers aside if they are chosen to be "Pirate King". So we're talking about one of the best examples of willpower and physical stats in the series. After seeing Teach being affected by fire spears piercing his body or affected by a wave of liquid poison and even take in a world- earthquake directly to his neck, i have to say that this is true, his resistance is outstanding, more than Zoro's or Luffy's.

What has Enel to upload his agilty? Moving at lightning speed... Kenbunshoku Haki. Yeah, great stats indeed, but this ones aren't working on close combat... as when all his better techniques (those that immediately work on his opponent) wouldn't work on Teach who can absorb elements like fire, so i'm sure electricity is incluided.

Judging they are going to fight on a plain terrain, Teach also use Blackhole.... Enel is able to fly? No, then this kind of attack (with a diameter close enough to a mountain) is the best option to drag out Enel into the dimension of darkness... then is an automatical knockout. Also i stated that this technique can make the terrain a plain one.

When i argued the Kurouzu, which you counterargue very well, with a straight attack like Thor is when this battle is put on Teach side little by little, because his resistance is the great point that will allow him to endure... is fighting with strategy, not even Haki is able to counteract changing the battlefield to your own good.

After an extended and painfully battle, the one with most probabilities to win, is Teach.

 

[SuperPeon]

Him getting pulled is really not going to hinder him escaping or moving away now is it? Its not like the pull is so strong or instant, Enel has plenty of time to do quite a lot. Infact i think it was Kazu who explained how BB should not even try to pull or come into close range with Enel because of the potential of heavy damage being rained upon him.

And since when did BB become physically stronger than Luffy? Out of all his showings, i dont see where you get this assumption.

In the Impel down, Luffy punched Blackbeard but wasn't strong enough then Blackbeard punched him as well and he spit more blood. Pretty much sure that after using Kurouzu CARELESSLY against Enel, both will acquire a lot of damage. But do you remember when BB was punching WB? WB was helpless because his fruit was powerless against his darkness. He could even suck Enel into darkness. O yea. KO!

 

[Josear XIII]

I give my vote to Enel, because people forget that the so called mantra is one of the branch of Haki which makes enel a powerful haki user, also, he doesnt need to go all lightnings on black beard, remember how he bashed luffy with rad staff fighting skiills, the guy is a monster by himself, has gomu gomu no mi not existed, enel would have won everything.

In the Impel down, Luffy punched Blackbeard but wasn't strong enough then Blackbeard punched him as well and he spit more blood. Pretty much sure that after using Kurouzu CARELESSLY against Enel, both will acquire a lot of damage. But do you remember when BB was punching WB? WB was helpless because his fruit was powerless against his darkness. He could even suck Enel into darkness. O yea. KO!

Luffy spit more blood because blackbeard nullify DF power by touch, now any haki user can beat blackbeard no mater what fruit he has, and enel is arrogant he wouldnt go into a fist fight with BB.

Has any of you considered that Enel could just (considering how arrogant he is) flash appear near BB and flash disappear after whopping BB's skull with the mothaF^%@%# IRON ROD that he has? only doing that would KICK in every sense BB. Since he is slow and would not be able to react to the speed of enel's lighting body and in case he tries to catch up, there's always mantra to predict his next move. WOW

I DARE SOMEONE TO COUNTER THAT STRATEGY

 

[Leonsagara]

You can't really say that all of BB's feats were cowardly. He's actually pretty brazen and often overestimates himself, like when he thought he could take out WB by himself. He also fought Ace face-to-face and was able to beat him. Don't forget that Ace was one of WB's commanders, who were shown to be able to at least hold their own against the admirals(until they got distracted). I don't think Enel would have fared so well against an admiral, since Luffy managed to beat him pre-TS. Even if Luffy was Enel's natural enemy, that doesn't say much about Enel's strength or ability to take a beating. BB would definitely win. Once BB gets Enel in his clutches, it will just take one Gura Gura punch to take him out.

 

[Josear XIII]

You can't really say that all of BB's feats were cowardly. He's actually pretty brazen and often overestimates himself, like when he thought he could take out WB by himself. He also fought Ace face-to-face and was able to beat him. Don't forget that Ace was one of WB's commanders, who were shown to be able to at least hold their own against the admirals(until they got distracted). I don't think Enel would have fared so well against an admiral, since Luffy managed to beat him pre-TS. Even if Luffy was Enel's natural enemy, that doesn't say much about Enel's strength or ability to take a beating. BB would definitely win. Once BB gets Enel in his clutches, it will just take one Gura Gura punch to take him out.

Ok enel was shocked to see that luffy could get his blast, and luffy's strategy for beating every boss is almost the same so we cant go taking that as if enel is bad or good at ability just on that (luffy had to win if not bye bye one piece the series is over so come on, please) Against black beard i have already stated a perfect strategy (and well based in Enel's personality) that will grant him victory over BB.

Lets focus here, cowardice is something pirates dont know, cheat lie and steal, like ninjas dont have honor, so lets stop at that and grant them whatever they do. I consider the strategy i planted is not a serious warrior vs warrior strategy, hitting your skull from the back without you being able to react every time is not cool, but hey they dont care.

 

[SuperPeon]

I give my vote to Enel, because people forget that the so called mantra is one of the branch of Haki which makes enel a powerful haki user, also, he doesnt need to go all lightnings on black beard, remember how he bashed luffy with rad staff fighting skiills, the guy is a monster by himself, has gomu gomu no mi not existed, enel would have won everything.



Luffy spit more blood because blackbeard nullify DF power by touch, now any haki user can beat blackbeard no mater what fruit he has, and enel is arrogant he wouldnt go into a fist fight with BB.

Has any of you considered that Enel could just (considering how arrogant he is) flash appear near BB and flash disappear after whopping BB's skull with the mothaF^%@%# IRON ROD that he has? only doing that would KICK in every sense BB. Since he is slow and would not be able to react to the speed of enel's lighting body and in case he tries to catch up, there's always mantra to predict his next move. WOW

I DARE SOMEONE TO COUNTER THAT STRATEGY

Do you think that Enel could be faster than Whitebeard? You're giving way too much speed for Enel in your imagination. It doesn't mean you have a haki, you're a godlike already. I believe Enel doesn't cast lightnings automatically. He would have to charge it like BB would. I really believe that Enel wouldn't be able to move after Kurouzu. Do you remember when Waipa jumped in to Enel? He wasn't able to move... I believe that BB's darkness would also drain opponent's fruit power. He will just Kurouzo Enel and Gura Gura his face

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Wowow. Enels need to charge his attacks?

That guy sticked his finger onto Sanji and Sanji was down. Also did i read BB is strong because he survived Magellans Hydra? Heck that guy was oneshotted right there only his new Mate could save him, his Darkness did nothing against the poison.

Enel not faster as Whietbeard? Where did Whitebeard did show some serious speed? D: This isnt dragonball were the fastest equals the strongest. WB was a Tank with godly destrcution power, Enel is a Speedmonster with the strongest Observation Haki we have seen so far.

Did i read the seastone case with Wiper too? That case were Enel resurrected himself thanks to his Fruit?

 

[Kazu-Sama]

Do you think that Enel could be faster than Whitebeard? You're giving way too much speed for Enel in your imagination. It doesn't mean you have a haki, you're a godlike already. I believe Enel doesn't cast lightnings automatically. He would have to charge it like BB would. I really believe that Enel wouldn't be able to move after Kurouzu. Do you remember when Waipa jumped in to Enel? He wasn't able to move... I believe that BB's darkness would also drain opponent's fruit power. He will just Kurouzo Enel and Gura Gura his face

I've said all this before, but oh well.

Enel is faster than Whitebeaard. Enel has been shown to move at the speed of lightning. That's a manga fact, indisputable. So yes, I do believe Enel could be faster than whitebeard. I get the impression people need to re-read the Skypeia arc...

Charging attacks? Again, re-read the Skypeia arc. I reckon there are a lot more attacks when Enel just prods someone at they get electrocuted than times you see Enel struggling to beat someone while they attack him and he charges his powers...

Wiper vs Enel - Wiper used seastone to freeze Enel (http://www.mangareader.net/103-2382-12/one-piece/chapter-275.html) Enel wasn't hit by the shot, yet it still nullified his DF. God knows how, but oh well. BB has specificially stated, and proved, he needs to be in physical contact with his opponent, he needs to grab them. So, hypothetically, say you're are right and he can Kurouzo Enel, and grab him - completely ignoring Enel's mantra, metal staff, agility, and incredible physical strength - Do you think Enel will just stand there, be sucked in, and not counter-attack? Enel's destructive power was shown to be much, much higher than Ace's, and Ace did some damage while being sucked in.

While I'm at it, Enel vs Luffy is not a fight you can use to judge Enel's strength. Enel had his powers completely neutralised. Now, if Blackbeard were to beat up Luffy without being able to use any part of his Yami Yomi no mi, then I'll accept that Blackbeard is stronger. But he didn't. Not even close...

Ace was shown to be strong, but he also seemed to be a lot weaker than the admirals. Plus, you can't use 'Blackbeard beat Ace, Ace is strong, so Blackbeard could be Enel who's also strong' as an argument, as that's just nonsense.


I'm now going to list a whole load of links to the manga which support my argument, just so I don't have to do it again...

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2383-14/one-piece/chapter-276.html - Thor used vs Wiper. It has a small charge time, admittedly, but the destructive power is undeniable, and the charge time isn't exactly long (It took longer to absorb Ace using Kurouzo, for instance)

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v26/c241/12.html shows the destructive power of Thor again. This is one of Enel's standard attacks, before he goes serious. Enel can, and will, do serious damage if he uses it.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v29/c274/16.html. Robin had seen at least one Admiral, plus the strength of Luffy and co. She claims Enel is invincible.

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2371-15/one-piece/chapter-264.html - Enel moves at the speed of Lightning.

Oh, yeah, found this - http://www.mangareader.net/103-2384-12/one-piece/chapter-277.html. Enel blasted a hole in the floor with an attack that's him not even going serious.

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2371-13/one-piece/chapter-264.html shows Enel electrocuting Kamikiri through his spear - even if BB does manage to grab hold of Enel and neutralise his DF, Enel can just electrocute him.

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2377-14/one-piece/chapter-270.html - see that little bit of lightning? That was Enel. He can teleport if he wants - Useful for avoiding the highly-directional Kurouzo...

Now, all of this is Enel not fighting seriously - if this in inadequate I'll link to more pages of his fight vs Luffy (when his powers were nullified), although I do think it proves my point...

 

[Josear XIII]

KAZU-SAMA YOU ROCK

Do you think that Enel could be faster than Whitebeard? You're giving way too much speed for Enel in your imagination. It doesn't mean you have a haki, you're a godlike already. I believe Enel doesn't cast lightnings automatically. He would have to charge it like BB would. I really believe that Enel wouldn't be able to move after Kurouzu. Do you remember when Waipa jumped in to Enel? He wasn't able to move... I believe that BB's darkness would also drain opponent's fruit power. He will just Kurouzo Enel and Gura Gura his face

Wow, first like kazu-sama says, Re-read Sky arc

Second, Enel would be only using his lighting speed to whoop his skull with a rod, I never said he would charge lighting based attack, re-read my strategy.

Third The BB DF power needs to be in direct contact with the user to suppress his power, re read Ace vs BB.

So thats that

It seems this fight will be like the 4th Hokage Vs Itachi where i dont know in what universe the 4th hokage would be itachi, but everyone voted the 4th hokage, poor Enel, I mean when he gets to face Gol. D or Rayleigh he's fucked but come' on guys there are a handful of One piece characters that will utterly kick BB behind

 

[Sir Amigo]

Enel is the Raikage of Naruto, the Laxus from Fairy Tail and the Sasakibe of Bleach, combined and even much more stronger!

Lightning kicks ass, and I dont think Enel will underestimate BB, like Luffy and all the others in Skypia arc. Its time to go Blackbeard!