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we see that with HL, the weakest and the one with the least HR of allLike Traumerei has any trouble recruiting High Rankers, people would line up for the job if Traumerei asked for it, not to mention LPB is at War following Zahard orders.
A BH is worth to Traumerei just a bit more than a meal for a shinheuh he likes, folk like Elbaba are expendable if you are someone like Traumerei.
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I don't think joining wolfhaikson is so stringent a process that baek ryun would have to show up to test him. There's a test of course but it'd be ridiculous if they test bam via a match with a family head, something which baek wouldn't be able to match and even urek isn't guaranteed to win (depending on the test). Add to that, at least what we know of wolfhaikson does not evidence them caring all that much about the next floor as their objective apparently is to find a way out of the tower. The next floor could be in their interest if they believe it's the way out. Add to that, such a thing woul immediately put wolfhaikson on a warpath with the empire, which as far as we know it's not.What if Baek Ryun heard about the prophecy of Baam
Leading the people of the tower to new levels and decided to use him to get out the tower
Im sure he just there to check on him for now and see if he is worthy and give him another membership proposal..
Baam could be in a situation where he probably will have te sell his soul to this org to escape with his friends before that im sure we are going to see Baam at full power just to fail.
people say this everytime with no base at allPeople say shit like this with every new arc. And it never, ever, ever, ever happens. Baam does not fail and he does not lose. This ain't that kind of story and it's not going to be.
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Ranks are define by wings their ranker with the hammer has 3, hachuling khun has 6 wingsI kinda expect to see Regulars in that Wolhaiksong ship. And if there is a big shot inside, i believe it will be Urek, doubt Baek is going to be introduced meeting some Regulars from Poe Bidau.
I'm expecting Mazino now, if not both him and Baek Ryun together. Baam is probably going to need some serious help getting out of this place when things start getting hairy for him (again, I think this will happen as a result of him refusing to do whatever FUG expects of him with respect to Traumerei and Gustang). So whoever is coming is going to need to be someone strong enough to make people sit down and shut up.I kinda expect to see Regulars in that Wolhaiksong ship. And if there is a big shot inside, i believe it will be Urek, doubt Baek is going to be introduced meeting some Regulars from Poe Bidau.
and yet the attack was blocked without much difficulty, Rob was surprised that it was powerful enough to tear Abuelo apart, but that was all, the attack was perfectly blocked.U laugh at swr ship is tbh weird, even lobadon admit swr ship, his so proud tree got shred by one attack,
PB will not catch up with their numerical gapAnd tbh u just make my opinion stronger, like i said so far LPB look stronger because SIU just make them fight all the time, their ranker got introduced since like 100 chapter before, ofc its natural that we have seen more LPB HR tan PB HR u can even clearly see this chapter that Varan is third commander, that implies there is a few commander that havent been introduced, smh cant imagine i need to explain this crystal clear fact
Rasth didn't really put up much of a fight until the 2nd teleport.Why is this even up for debate and why are y’all genuinely believing this ? Proust did not join in on the fight against the branch heads, this means it was literally dozens of branch heads vs a few PB high rankers ( most likely Ernaux, gir and a few randoms ). The fact that they can even hold off so many branch heads with a small number of them is crazy asl and shows the power gap between the two families.
and what says the SWR ship didn't fire, it just might not have been in rangeThe PB couldn’t use their shinwonryu ship as they was in a location surrounded by their own troops and their family’s personal vanguard. Which is why the plan was to always teleport them to an empty space. So saying that it didn’t even wipe them out is redundant, even lobadon was shocked at its power, do y’all think branch heads weaker then purdidy and Perseus are tanking it without major injuries ? Be serious.
What device did richemont use ? Wasn’t that literally his shinsu ability ? He’s a lightbearer so having a defensive shinsu ability alligns up with his power set. Even if it was it’s still wildly impressive. You can’t see how it’s useful in combat ? The shield literally absorbs the energy of enemy attacks and uses it to teleport and maybe other things we haven’t seen. This shield would not only provide immense defence, it would make the enemy hesitant to attack knowing its power could be turned back on them and would also give richemont a huge speed and range boost.
PB arc is coming to an end, and you're hoping that SIU will introduce the double of PB HR?Using outnumbering is a ridiculous theory. The lo po bia have been explored on for years now, the Po bidau are only getting their shine now. We hadn’t even met any notable Po bidaus until tiara who herself was introduced just after the hiatus ? Something like that. They outnumber them purely because they have been explored on
1: good luck with thatnext chapter is a set up for heaps of new PB high rankers to appear so we will see if y’all keep that mindset.
you talked about their other force without the BH, and I told you that this force is worthless.It's either about strenght so even BH's are worthless given that the FH's are an unstoppable force for people below Adori lvl at least (It's like putting 20 Pam's and a Kallavan if not worse, the Rankers are useless in a battle here and so are the BH's with Traumerei). Or it's about the LPB Family as a whole, and as long as Traumerei is there it will work out, they can't kill most LPB descendants anyway.
Haaland is not a BHI mean we saw how many BH's are there already, Wiwi (Bear), blood angel (Chimera), turtle, badger, Carp and Elephant. I guess you can count Hollan (Ancient Shinheuhs) as well, 7 if so.
WgW (Spider) is at the mothership, Elbaba (Wolf) is with Baam, Goruru (Lizard) is with Baam, Yorari (Snake) is missing, 1 ex BH was captured by Cha/SS ( sea urchins ? ), Dokoko (Bird), Pudidy (Owl) and Perseus (Horse) dead, Maybe Catan (Hunter), Kirin's 2nd in Command (?) are also BH's, On top of Lobadon (Plants) and Kirin (Heathe). We already saw close to 20 LPB different Branches, if there were more BH's with Wiwi and co we would have known it by now i think.
Kirin told him that his plan had gone wrong and that PB had planned everything.How did the book plan fail ? Baam was literally starting to tell him about it when they got interrupted, if he wanted to he could have gotten the info, he literally had the book in front of him and let it go because Kirin (a traitor) told him it was useless, on top of that, he left Baam with a PB Top High Ranker even Kirin was wary of, and a LPB High Ranker that was likely a traitor as well.
and I think his plan was stupid, destined to fail and I'm glad this plot is overI mean, SIU is saying that Lobadon gave up on the book without even opening it when it was in his hands, i think it's irrealistic but everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
I mean TSdream was asking for a debateand yet the attack was blocked without much difficulty, Rob was surprised that it was powerful enough to tear Abuelo apart, but that was all, the attack was perfectly blocked.
PB will not catch up with their numerical gap
as early as S2 we knew there were a lot of them, for BH SIU just introduced guys we already knew existed
PB saga is coming to its conclusion,PB will always be fewer in number
Rasth didn't really put up much of a fight until the 2nd teleport.
Joo was still on her ship
Wiwi was the only one clearly shown fighting
Everything indicates that the BH weren't all fighting, and there's nothing to suggest that Luini, Ernaux and Gir was doing 3 vs 12.
and what says the SWR ship didn't fire, it just might not have been in range
Wiwi's fleet was in the vanguard, the SWR ship and a small ship appeared in front of it, then when we see it again and all his fleet has been annihilated except him
the person in that small ship wasn't fighting Wiwi, so it can't have been Gir or Ernaux because they were seen attacking the fleet, by elimination it was Proust, and as you say Proust was passive during the whole ambush, you know what's left, Wiwi took a direct hit from the SWR ship and just had his shirt ripped or Proust attacked destroying his whole fleet and Wiwi just had his shirt ripped.
clearly a machine,at best it's some sort of thing linked to his lighthouse manipulation
Teleportation is its only known function,
in a fight it would just be used for escape or repositioning and that's all.
and it's not a shield
PB arc is coming to an end, and you're hoping that SIU will introduce the double of PB HR?
It won't, at best you'll get a few PB HR here and there and that's it.
1: good luck with that
2: only the top 300 counts, if the HR PBs you're talking about aren't in the top 300, their existence won't matter (I wonder why I counted Giskar and Luini, Giskar is fodder and Luini shares the same rank as this fodder).
you talked about their other force without the BH, and I told you that this force is worthless.
what constitutes the military power of a family is top 300 and above.
so it's normal that Rob wants to save them
Haaland is not a BH
Katan is not a BH, he belongs to Rob's branch
Kukuda is not a BH, he failed, Perper has not been a BH for a long time, she left her post and "disappeared".
Alphine told us that there are 20 branches, and she is the most current source we have, so there are currently 20, Didiano branch, Ledodo, Kukoko and Perper are all events that happened in the distant past and should not affect the word of Alphine.
Rob and Kirin exclude we know 12 branches, them includes then 14, missing between 8 and 6.
and WGW is there
Kirin tells us that he has taken all BH.
Luini buddy us that all BH are there
Wiwi say it
Proust say it
Katan says it
I don't know why people keep thinking that WGW isn't there when we're being bombarded with the fact that all the BH who aren't dead, traitors or busy elsewhere are there.
so as I said Kirin should be leading a fleet of 12 BH (assuming Yorari is dead and nothing indicates it)
Kirin told him that his plan had gone wrong and that PB had planned everything.
Rob had already guessed that his informant was unreliable
and the fact that Kirin knew about the book, had sent men to his position (despite the fact that Kirin should not know where the fuck he is) and was collaborating with PB, gave his words weight that Rob couldn't ignore.
But suppose he's successful, then what?
Gustang is ready to fight even without his memories, if robadon came to him and told him to make a truce "Lol Lmao" would be the last words he would hear.
But let's imagine he accepts, a truce is between 2 people, how will Rob convince Traum to accept? The same Traum who knows that war is impossible to avoid and as Rob himself noted Traum will do whatever Z tells him to do, even if he doesn't want to.
the same Z who wants the PB family to disappear from the face of the tower, so in his mind Rob wants to convince Gustang, Traum and Z.
This guy is stupid, his plan is stupid, we the readers know it, Kirin knows it, Traum know it, Gustang know it, this war is impossible to stop.
we should be glad that Rob move on
and I think his plan was stupid, destined to fail and I'm glad this plot is over
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The book is Gustang pressure point, Traumerei will obviously learn and use the informations in it if Lobadon secures it. Everyone knows that Lobadon alone can't force a truce, him included.and yet the attack was blocked without much difficulty, Rob was surprised that it was powerful enough to tear Abuelo apart, but that was all, the attack was perfectly blocked.
PB will not catch up with their numerical gap
as early as S2 we knew there were a lot of them, for BH SIU just introduced guys we already knew existed
PB saga is coming to its conclusion,PB will always be fewer in number
Rasth didn't really put up much of a fight until the 2nd teleport.
Joo was still on her ship
Wiwi was the only one clearly shown fighting
Everything indicates that the BH weren't all fighting, and there's nothing to suggest that Luini, Ernaux and Gir was doing 3 vs 12.
and what says the SWR ship didn't fire, it just might not have been in range
Wiwi's fleet was in the vanguard, the SWR ship and a small ship appeared in front of it, then when we see it again and all his fleet has been annihilated except him
the person in that small ship wasn't fighting Wiwi, so it can't have been Gir or Ernaux because they were seen attacking the fleet, by elimination it was Proust, and as you say Proust was passive during the whole ambush, you know what's left, Wiwi took a direct hit from the SWR ship and just had his shirt ripped or Proust attacked destroying his whole fleet and Wiwi just had his shirt ripped.
clearly a machine,at best it's some sort of thing linked to his lighthouse manipulation
Teleportation is its only known function,
in a fight it would just be used for escape or repositioning and that's all.
and it's not a shield
PB arc is coming to an end, and you're hoping that SIU will introduce the double of PB HR?
It won't, at best you'll get a few PB HR here and there and that's it.
1: good luck with that
2: only the top 300 counts, if the HR PBs you're talking about aren't in the top 300, their existence won't matter (I wonder why I counted Giskar and Luini, Giskar is fodder and Luini shares the same rank as this fodder).
you talked about their other force without the BH, and I told you that this force is worthless.
what constitutes the military power of a family is top 300 and above.
so it's normal that Rob wants to save them
Haaland is not a BH
Katan is not a BH, he belongs to Rob's branch
Kukuda is not a BH, he failed, Perper has not been a BH for a long time, she left her post and "disappeared".
Alphine told us that there are 20 branches, and she is the most current source we have, so there are currently 20, Didiano branch, Ledodo, Kukoko and Perper are all events that happened in the distant past and should not affect the word of Alphine.
Rob and Kirin exclude we know 12 branches, them includes then 14, missing between 8 and 6.
and WGW is there
Kirin tells us that he has taken all BH.
Luini buddy us that all BH are there
Wiwi say it
Proust say it
Katan says it
I don't know why people keep thinking that WGW isn't there when we're being bombarded with the fact that all the BH who aren't dead, traitors or busy elsewhere are there.
so as I said Kirin should be leading a fleet of 12 BH (assuming Yorari is dead and nothing indicates it)
Kirin told him that his plan had gone wrong and that PB had planned everything.
Rob had already guessed that his informant was unreliable
and the fact that Kirin knew about the book, had sent men to his position (despite the fact that Kirin should not know where the fuck he is) and was collaborating with PB, gave his words weight that Rob couldn't ignore.
But suppose he's successful, then what?
Gustang is ready to fight even without his memories, if robadon came to him and told him to make a truce "Lol Lmao" would be the last words he would hear.
But let's imagine he accepts, a truce is between 2 people, how will Rob convince Traum to accept? The same Traum who knows that war is impossible to avoid and as Rob himself noted Traum will do whatever Z tells him to do, even if he doesn't want to.
the same Z who wants the PB family to disappear from the face of the tower, so in his mind Rob wants to convince Gustang, Traum and Z.
This guy is stupid, his plan is stupid, we the readers know it, Kirin knows it, Traum know it, Gustang know it, this war is impossible to stop.
we should be glad that Rob move on
and I think his plan was stupid, destined to fail and I'm glad this plot is over
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Wiwi wasn’t the only one fighting… joo was shown outside the ship with a gun in her hands and the blood chimera was also shown fighting, and seeing as she was on the floor even before the teleportation warp, implies she started fighting at probably the same time as wiwi. Proust also referred to fighting the branch heads as a collective ( “ they’re the branch heads, they aren’t easy “ ) not just one person, like you’re insinuating. Therefore it makes sense for it to have been Atleast multiple BH vs Ernaux and gir etc.and yet the attack was blocked without much difficulty, Rob was surprised that it was powerful enough to tear Abuelo apart, but that was all, the attack was perfectly blocked.
PB will not catch up with their numerical gap
as early as S2 we knew there were a lot of them, for BH SIU just introduced guys we already knew existed
PB saga is coming to its conclusion,PB will always be fewer in number
Rasth didn't really put up much of a fight until the 2nd teleport.
Joo was still on her ship
Wiwi was the only one clearly shown fighting
Everything indicates that the BH weren't all fighting, and there's nothing to suggest that Luini, Ernaux and Gir was doing 3 vs 12.
and what says the SWR ship didn't fire, it just might not have been in range
Wiwi's fleet was in the vanguard, the SWR ship and a small ship appeared in front of it, then when we see it again and all his fleet has been annihilated except him
the person in that small ship wasn't fighting Wiwi, so it can't have been Gir or Ernaux because they were seen attacking the fleet, by elimination it was Proust, and as you say Proust was passive during the whole ambush, you know what's left, Wiwi took a direct hit from the SWR ship and just had his shirt ripped or Proust attacked destroying his whole fleet and Wiwi just had his shirt ripped.
clearly a machine,at best it's some sort of thing linked to his lighthouse manipulation
Teleportation is its only known function,
in a fight it would just be used for escape or repositioning and that's all.
and it's not a shield
PB arc is coming to an end, and you're hoping that SIU will introduce the double of PB HR?
It won't, at best you'll get a few PB HR here and there and that's it.
1: good luck with that
2: only the top 300 counts, if the HR PBs you're talking about aren't in the top 300, their existence won't matter (I wonder why I counted Giskar and Luini, Giskar is fodder and Luini shares the same rank as this fodder).
you talked about their other force without the BH, and I told you that this force is worthless.
what constitutes the military power of a family is top 300 and above.
so it's normal that Rob wants to save them
Haaland is not a BH
Katan is not a BH, he belongs to Rob's branch
Kukuda is not a BH, he failed, Perper has not been a BH for a long time, she left her post and "disappeared".
Alphine told us that there are 20 branches, and she is the most current source we have, so there are currently 20, Didiano branch, Ledodo, Kukoko and Perper are all events that happened in the distant past and should not affect the word of Alphine.
Rob and Kirin exclude we know 12 branches, them includes then 14, missing between 8 and 6.
and WGW is there
Kirin tells us that he has taken all BH.
Luini buddy us that all BH are there
Wiwi say it
Proust say it
Katan says it
I don't know why people keep thinking that WGW isn't there when we're being bombarded with the fact that all the BH who aren't dead, traitors or busy elsewhere are there.
so as I said Kirin should be leading a fleet of 12 BH (assuming Yorari is dead and nothing indicates it)
Kirin told him that his plan had gone wrong and that PB had planned everything.
Rob had already guessed that his informant was unreliable
and the fact that Kirin knew about the book, had sent men to his position (despite the fact that Kirin should not know where the fuck he is) and was collaborating with PB, gave his words weight that Rob couldn't ignore.
But suppose he's successful, then what?
Gustang is ready to fight even without his memories, if robadon came to him and told him to make a truce "Lol Lmao" would be the last words he would hear.
But let's imagine he accepts, a truce is between 2 people, how will Rob convince Traum to accept? The same Traum who knows that war is impossible to avoid and as Rob himself noted Traum will do whatever Z tells him to do, even if he doesn't want to.
the same Z who wants the PB family to disappear from the face of the tower, so in his mind Rob wants to convince Gustang, Traum and Z.
This guy is stupid, his plan is stupid, we the readers know it, Kirin knows it, Traum know it, Gustang know it, this war is impossible to stop.
we should be glad that Rob move on
and I think his plan was stupid, destined to fail and I'm glad this plot is over
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He didn’t do nothing help-I mean TSdream was asking for a debate
He didn’t call you to a fight and you just killed him
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LPB 23 Branch were known from the start
PB doesn’t have that many HR
That’s why Gustang called the BHs a shield around TRAUMEREI
Is clear that LPB is way more powerful than PB as a family the difference is the head of the PB family here and we don’t even know if these ranks mean something in that league 11-20
he destroyed you for sureWiwi wasn’t the only one fighting… joo was shown outside the ship with a gun in her hands and the blood chimera was also shown fighting, and seeing as she was on the floor even before the teleportation warp, implies she started fighting at probably the same time as wiwi. Proust also referred to fighting the branch heads as a collective ( “ they’re the branch heads, they aren’t easy “ ) not just one person, like you’re insinuating. Therefore it makes sense for it to have been Atleast multiple BH vs Ernaux and gir etc.
I clearly stated there was most likely a few other PB rankers fighting alongside the army members such as luini, however they would not have Made a difference
…are you slow ? Not only would Proust destroy wiwi like Dumas did Jinsung, but wiwi isn’t taking a direct hit from the shinwonryu ship and leaving with only a ripped shirt. It completely decimated el abuelo even from the distance it was shot at and even traumerie spoke on its capabilities. Most of That fleet was destroyed by Gir when they first commited the ambush and the rest was done by either the Po bidau vanguard or the army. Why is this far fetched to assume when we straight up saw Gir blow up a ship with one hit ?? You don’t believe that maybe they directed their efforts to wiwis ship after the scene cut ?? After all Proust was specifically told to use the shinwonryu ship after the warp, why would he have used it beforehand ?
“ linked to his lighthouse manipulation “ …so it’s a shinsu ability…. Lmaoo
how is it “ clearly a machine “ ? Shinsu abilities manifest in all shapes and sizes. For example catan, are you gonna say his shinsu ability is a machine or device because he can summon tanks and guns ?? Not only has it literally got the design of a shield but it must have some defensive capabilities in order to stop incoming attacks before absorption. What are you talking about ?
I don’t think anything, it’s explicitly stated. In order to get to the grand match somebody has to break through all the Po bidau forces ( emphasis on the ‘s’ ) Do you think Po bidau forces refers to a group of regulars ? It obviously refers to other powerful high rankers, not in the army, who are within the family. Such as idk, the guy we dead saw this chapter .
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He didn’t do nothing help-
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I'd rather not have Urek/WHS bail out Baam TBH, I prefer SIU finds another route. Heck, an admin intervening is even better than Urek/WHS, and we had a precedent for that (floor 2 admin sent Evankhell & YHS to Karaka's heart IIRC).I'm expecting Mazino now, if not both him and Baek Ryun together. Baam is probably going to need some serious help getting out of this place when things start getting hairy for him (again, I think this will happen as a result of him refusing to do whatever FUG expects of him with respect to Traumerei and Gustang). So whoever is coming is going to need to be someone strong enough to make people sit down and shut up.
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Writing heaps of paragraphs doesn’t mean nothing if you’re slow and aren’t making sense sorry.Nah kirin didn’t brought 12 BH with him
He brought that one fighting PB
They were probably that ones wouldn’t betray the family head for him.
There’s no way Kirin would trust PB family to sacrifice its whole family to lead a powerless clan without any BH. We are losing our mind here
can’t wait for this arc to finish.
he destroyed you for sure
But he is not making any sense
With his BHs point of view
When i thought it was a tie match
You just posted that blasphemous theory
About Luslec and Zahard etc
i need to see another round to decide the winner.
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A 5 years hiatus is needed tbf.
I don't think the series has evidenced any limits to the shinwonryu ships yet. Pretty sure the LPB reactions to it count as fear. Even lobadon was shocked by it and lobadon's farts can kill 10 evankhels.For all the hype around the mysterious ship only Mikel has used the power; it can only launch one blast; and the range of the attack is limited!
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TBH besides being surprised about the newness of the ship no one is fearful of its power LOL!!!
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PB only look better because their army is coordinated and they respect the chain of command.
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Someone is going to have to bail him out if he ends up with the big shots on either side of this affair wanting to kill him. He can't deal with Traumerei, Gustang or Luslec at this point. And it's really the only logical reason to have Wingtree showing up here.I'd rather not have Urek/WHS bail out Baam TBH, I prefer SIU finds another route. Heck, an admin intervening is even better than Urek/WHS, and we had a precedent for that (floor 2 admin sent Evankhell & YHS to Karaka's heart IIRC).
No, Rasth was shown lying on the same bed ( not same color but clearly same bed, not the first time they change color of thing) where she was talking to Kirin.Wiwi wasn’t the only one fighting… joo was shown outside the ship with a gun in her hands and the blood chimera was also shown fighting, and seeing as she was on the floor even before the teleportation warp, implies she started fighting at probably the same time as wiwi. Proust also referred to fighting the branch heads as a collective ( “ they’re the branch heads, they aren’t easy “ ) not just one person, like you’re insinuating. Therefore it makes sense for it to have been Atleast multiple BH vs Ernaux and gir etc.
but buddy, the thing you don't get is that Abuelo's durability is unquantifiable…are you slow ? Not only would Proust destroy wiwi like Dumas did Jinsung, but wiwi isn’t taking a direct hit from the shinwonryu ship and leaving with only a ripped shirt. It completely decimated el abuelo even from the distance it was shot at and even traumerie spoke on its capabilities. Most of That fleet was destroyed by Gir when they first commited the ambush and the rest was done by either the Po bidau vanguard or the army. Why is this far fetched to assume when we straight up saw Gir blow up a ship with one hit ?? You don’t believe that maybe they directed their efforts to wiwis ship after the scene cut ?? After all Proust was specifically told to use the shinwonryu ship after the warp, why would he have used it beforehand ?
I mean an artefact linked to his lighthouse“ linked to his lighthouse manipulation “ …so it’s a shinsu ability…. Lmaoo
Catan's weapons are physical weapons with real bulletshow is it “ clearly a machine “ ? Shinsu abilities manifest in all shapes and sizes. For example catan, are you gonna say his shinsu ability is a machine or device because he can summon tanks and guns ?? Not only has it literally got the design of a shield but it must have some defensive capabilities in order to stop incoming attacks before absorption. What are you talking about ?
wishful thinking won't save youI don’t think anything, it’s explicitly stated. In order to get to the grand match somebody has to break through all the Po bidau forces ( emphasis on the ‘s’ ) Do you think Po bidau forces refers to a group of regulars ? It obviously refers to other powerful high rankers, not in the army, who are within the family. Such as idk, the guy we dead saw this chapter .
This confirms that Rob's plan is stupid.The book is Gustang pressure point, Traumerei will obviously learn and use the informations in it if Lobadon secures it. Everyone knows that Lobadon alone can't force a truce, him included.
he doesn't know that Baam has the leviathanFact of the matter is that Gustang plan revolves around those informations and Baam, who also holds Traumerei's memories.
Lobadon had the key pieces of this war on the palm of his hands and decided to leave it to Tiara and Goruro.
To do what ? Replicate Gustang vs Pudidy and Perseus ?