Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

(Technically higher) Sure but that amount of heat which would translate to power would be universal in attack potency, which is necessary against someone like Zeref who was going to destroy and create a new universe, and combined with reality warping would give it hax worthiness. That was the point of overcoming Zeref’s defenses, it’s two fold, both power and hax.

 

[Axiomus]

Scaling Natsu to universal (lol) just means every character stronger than him scales higher. Even if Natsu has universal (lol) attack power, that's still a finite amount of power. Natsu is still beating Zeref with infinitely less magic power than Zeref has.

Natsu just made his flames really hot. That's not hax. That's using raw power to overcome the hax of rewinding time.

 

[WoWfan]

Not even so, Natsu has not reached that level at all since Zeref’s fight because his heat resistance reached its limits with the flames heat and burns even him. That doesn’t make his power any less affective especially with reality warping which makes stats or amount of MP. His flames were stated to burn time itself. Something no flames did before even in reality.

 

[Axiomus]

Ignia's flames burned Natsu too.

 

[WoWfan]

But Ignia’s are special, he even said that with his element against he was at a disadvantage againsf even water, that is wwhy he has special flames.

 

[Axiomus]

Special in what way? They're just hot.

They also gave Natsu the strength to stomp Mercphobia physically. Natsu with Ignia's flames would stomp the Natsu that beat Zeref. Both have flames hot enough to burn each other, but Natsu with Ignia's flames is on a whole different level when it comes to stats.

 

[WoWfan]

His are special as in his particular fire is what burns water as any other flame is at a disadvantage to it otherwise. Because his flames belongs to Ignia’s which is special at to burn anything. No as Ignia’s never shown to burn time like Natsu’s can simply by turning up the heat to its max. Natsu’s shown before that to have trouble with water, much like that of Ignia’s before utilizing his special flames.

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[Darklord#10]

If Natsu punches you with fire dragon flames and you tank it, you are more impressive than someone who gets knocked out by a punch with fire dragon king flames.

This doesn't make sense to me.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 27, 2023, Original Post Date: Dec 27, 2023 ---

World of God is irrelevant if he can't show feats for characters. They remain nothing but hype.

 

[Axiomus]

This doesn't make sense to me.

Typo.

If Natsu punches you with fire dragon *king* flames and you tank it, you are more impressive than someone who gets knocked out by a punch with fire dragon king flames

 

[WoWfan]

Depends on circumstances as well.

 

[Axiomus]

His are special as in his particular fire is what burns water as any other flame is at a disadvantage to it otherwise. Because his flames belongs to Ignia’s which is special at to burn anything. No as Ignia’s never shown to burn time like Natsu’s can simply by turning up the heat to its max. Natsu’s shown before that to have trouble with water, much like that of Ignia’s before utilizing his special flames.

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Ignia is saying his flames can burn water. There's nothing there that cant be explained with Ignia's flames just being hotter.

Ignia's flames can burn Natsu. Burning Natsu > Burning time. Zeref noted that time was burning *before* Natsu started burning himself.

 

[WoWfan]

Ignia is saying his flames can burn water. There's nothing there that cant be explained with Ignia's flames just being hotter.

Ignia's flames can burn Natsu. Burning Natsu > Burning time. Zeref noted that time was burning *before* Natsu started burning himself.

No, in the link it says with “My Element is at a disadvantage” a in even with his fire is weak against water. As shown how the water dragon could extinguish it. He then says there is a flame that can burn even water, which would be referred to the other flames. Ignia’s flames can burn Natsu because they can burn anything, that is their attribute, nothing about heat. Even Natsu could extinguish water even before Ignia flames. Burning Time = hottest flames = burning Natsu. Ignia’s hax flames = burning Natsu, quality vs quantity.

 

[Axiomus]

No, in the link it says with “My Element is at a disadvantage” a in even with his fire is weak against water. As shown how the water dragon could extinguish it. He then says there is a flame that can burn even water, which would be referred to the other flames. Ignia’s flames can burn Natsu because they can burn anything, that is their attribute, nothing about heat. Even Natsu could extinguish water even before Ignia flames. Burning Time = hottest flames = burning Natsu. Ignia’s hax flames = burning Natsu, quality vs quantity.

He's talking about fire in general. Fire is at a disadvantage against water, but Ignia's fire can burn water. None of this implies that Ignia has any special property that allows him to specifically burn water. Even if it did, it wouldnt matter anyways because we're talking about burning Natsu. Ignia's flames are hot enough to burn Natsu, who only burns at temperatures hot enough to burn time.

If your argument is that Ignia's flames have a special property that allows it to burn *everything*, then that would also include time magic. This still makes Natsu with Ignia's power far stronger than Natsu who beat Zeref, because Ignia's flames also grant Natsu the physical strength to stomp Mercphobia. Frankly, it just adds to my point that MP doesnt mean you hit harder.

 

[WoWfan]

He's talking about fire in general. Fire is at a disadvantage against water, but Ignia's fire can burn water. None of this implies that Ignia has any special property that allows him to specifically burn water. Even if it did, it wouldnt matter anyways because we're talking about burning Natsu. Ignia's flames are hot enough to burn Natsu, who only burns at temperatures hot enough to burn time.

If your argument is that Ignia's flames have a special property that allows it to burn *everything*, then that would also include time magic. This still makes Natsu with Ignia's power far stronger than Natsu who beat Zeref, because Ignia's flames also grant Natsu the physical strength to stomp Mercphobia. Frankly, it just adds to my point that MP doesnt mean you hit harder.

No, he said my element as in something that involves himself (even said it separately earlier in the same chapter, so it involves his fire magic and general fire magic as proven how Merc can extinguish his fire. So either Ignia it talking out of his butt or that there is another flame he has which can burn water. Burning Natsu either is hax or is beyond his immunity which There is another which is Zancrow’s flame and it is god flames which is greater than Dragon Flames. So then I guess Zancrow can burn even Ignia. Nothing Ignia said is based on heat or hot. Just burning, even acid burns too but it is not that hot on it’s own. Not time magic but time itself as in something apart from magic that produces time like properties, otherwise people like Ultear could beat Zeref with FH, again power and hax is required here, something Ignia is lacking on one of those categories seeing as a nerfed Zeref could damage and even kill a DG overtime.

 

[Axiomus]

Time itself is included under "everything" too.

Ignia's flames isnt lacking in anything. It has the raw power to stomp Mercphobia in a physical fight.

Zeref can only kill a god dragon if he finds them precious.

 

[WoWfan]

Maybe, but not in power as he does it as Hax, and seeing as Time is normal that is not the case, Merc even at half half strength could extinguish full power Ignia’s flames, not true as he could do so even at full power, he just makes his powers manageable as he could still use death wave even without seeing life precious.

 

[Axiomus]

Time was acting normal when Natsu was fighting Zeref too. The only reason Zeref even knew time was burning was because he was trying to use magic to reverse it.

The flames that Natsu ate came from Ignia's attack that Merc couldn't put out. Natsu then proceeded to use Ignia's flames to beat up Mercphobia. So no, Mercphobia couldn't extinguish full power Ignia's attack. The best Mercphobia could do is weaken it somewhat, and it still contained enough power to allow a human to defeat his dragon form in physical combat.

Zeref couldn't even kill Natsu when he didn't find life precious, while hitting him with his black magic.

 

[WoWfan]

It wasn’t when Savage Flames was active, unless stated, Ignia’s flames are hax, No, he reversed time after he was gone. exactly, those were flames that were not extinguished by the water, while his normal flames were. Full power is not the same as not using hax flames, that was a portion flame Natsu ate and it completely desimated a serious Merc attack which before was not even his best either. Zeref was crazy as he wanted to enjoy the fight with Natsu for most of the time, Natsu only was at his peak at the end via Savage Flames

 

[Axiomus]

There's no notable effects when time is burning. It acts exactly the same as when it's not burning to anyone that isnt specifically trying to use time magic to manipulate it.

Ignia set the city on fire with an attack. Mercphobia tried to put out the flames, but couldn't. Natsu ate the leftovers, and it gave him enough power to beat up Mercphobia. No matter how you spin it, the flames from one of Ignia's attacks gave Natsu enough power to beat Mercphobia. Like I said, Ignia's flames aren't lacking in raw power. They provide Natsu the strength to stomp Mercphobia. Ignia himself blasted a hole in Selene. Even if it has the hax to burn water, which doesnt help to burn Natsu anyways, that's still on top of having the raw power to blast holes in other god dragons.

Whether Zeref was crazy or not, he still hit Natsu several times. Natsu was literally covered in Zeref's magic, and wasnt close to dying. Even after Zeref got completely serious, he still couldnt kill Natsu with his curse. Wolfen seed was only killing Aldoron because he thinks Aldoron precious. Even then, the curse was travelling so slow that Natsu could outrun it. DF Natsu's attack did far more damage than Zeref's death wave. Ignia's flames can blast a hole through Selene, who is even stronger than Aldoron.

 

[WoWfan]

Whether it is notable or not is not a factor when statement was clearly given. Even when he restored himself and his surroundings “after” he was obliterated it appears normal and just items moving around. He managed to do so with what water he had, which there were some areas that water did not reached, those are the flames that are what he is referring to that can burn even water. As the other flames were completely extinguished. And that was a lesser degree of Merc’s power. Yeah, because those are hax flames that can burn water, something that the other Ignia flames can’t he makes a distinction, otherwise Natsu could just use FDK mode to just vaporize the water in the ocean. Sure they may provide power but not at the level to counter FH magic or Savage Flames, it does matter and even Natsu couldn’t take him down either which Zeref noted he was disappointed. Just so he could monologue, because that Natsu couldn’t do much at that point other than to power up. And neither could Natsu with max heat and reality warping capabilities would be back in action shortly. And he would kill Natsu that is why he was running. That means nothing since Zeref could still use it even when he doesn’t find life precious, that is because Zeref was nerfed, nothing about his true speed. Base Zeref can scale to the Phoenix who can burn the entire world. Something far more than what DF could do. Ignia blindsided Selene when they stopped fighting so she wasn’t on her guard.