Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

so? He was still fighting, not stop fighting, different, prove it? She was looking at Natsu and not foghting anymore. Only barely as he used the last of his strength to rip off his arm. They are equal, no one said the same in common sense or circumstances. He was, he was not fighting anymore like Selene, if he wasn’t he would have still gone on the attack regardless of Natsu’s plea. Too bad she could react to his attacks much closer than that last breath, so she was off guard, it does, that is how reaction timing works. The closer you are to an incoming projectile, the quicker you have to react, you still haven’t proved it to be faster. Or that he cheap shot her like he said. And that her dragon form is superior to that which her stats reflects That power. She through the fight against Suzaku as she didn’t mind it, that fight is not earned. And yet he lost to weakened weaker DG Dog dude, who human Selene is stronger than. It does as she managed to block Natsu’s attack effortlessly. Neither did she do that with Ignia in human form yet ir required him to transform first, I don’t get what you are trying to say there. cheep shot is not proof of scaling. It does since mental effort is a factor too With magic. It does as plenty of characters have done before, Hades, Kirin, Laxus, etc.. Gildarts got a hole blown through him and he is fine, Jiemma got a hole blasted through his heart and he is fine. Not hnless you are magic, that logic does not apply here, you can fall out of an airplane and survive, there are cases where that has happened. Not really, they just took advantage when he was hit by Natsu who he saw and hand time to prepare and still got smacked, he got puffed up at that time at the end of their assault, either way he was not done fighting unlike Selene. Are you sure? He was down for the count, it was a miracle he is alive, that is an example of powering up to overcome damage when he was off guard and not fighting. Selene was brought down when she was not fighting. it does, and yet he could react to Laxus attack in base which shows his stats are surperior then, in a fight. So? It just shows that he wasn’t peak when he used PoF, that was after his transformation into a demon, so? Minerva is irrelevant here, it just means his transfor is more potent than her’s, the point of that is piercing, unlike breaths which do For area of destruction, plus Sting and Natsu are the only ones to have two distinct breaths techniques to them, prove that Ignia does. Finally, you can use magic power or project magic power via physical attacks wihtout using magic via MPF. That Wendy as Irene could still affect Irene as Wendy because of MP difference, just like how Irene can affect Selene regardless despite her resistance, no, they change since she transforms, you get greater Magic Power with physical alterations. Stats equal magic power. she does as her magic proved, in Fairy Tail, magic doesn’t lie. yeah, and Irene could beat his human form as Acno acknowledged her strength. Not proven as her magic can affect her. That is his cocky attitude talking and cheap shot her.

 

[Axiomus]

It doesn matter. Igneel had his attention focused elsewhere, literally was looking away from Acnologia, and still managed to dodge his roar. Selene was looking straight at Ignia, and couldnt dodge his roar. There's no excuse for this.

It doesnt matter how close Selene was to Ignia, because the 2nd roar was simply faster and she couldnt react to it. This is simply a fact. She literally couldnt react to it. Saying that it was a cheapshot is just an excuse. A cheap shot doesnt make an attack faster. If Selene has to recieve a warning before someone attacks her, even when they are standing right in front of her, then she simply lacks the reaction time.

Take up a boxing class. I guarantee you will be peppered with hits you never saw coming. That's just how fighting works. It is unrealistic to assume you can react, or even see, every incoming attack. This idea that your body is more durable simply because you're aware you're in a fight is nonsense. You need to actually flex to make yourself *slightly* more durable. When we're talking about attacks that can blast holes in your flesh, no amount of bracing is going to make a difference. You need to actually change the physical properties of your flesh at that point.

Yes, I am sure Laxus was caught off guard multiple times in their fight. He got hit multiple times from a position where he couldnt defend himself. It has nothing to do with whether or not he was aware their attacks were coming. He was more durable for one very simple reason: He was a dragon slayer. Dragonslaying magic changes the constitution of your body. It was enough for Laxus to face-tank Natsu and Gajeel's hits.

Gildarts is missing a limb, and some organs. He didnt continue to fight Acnologia. He decided to abandon the 100YQ due to these injuries. Jiemma was out of action for the rest of the GMG, and Sting literally took his position as guildmaster. I would hardly call them fine. They were seriously injured.

Jiemma is stronger than Minerva. It's why he was guild master. It's why Minerva was happy Sting surpassed Jiemma and became the new guildmaster. In any case, my point is already proven. Sting and Rogue's WSD Silk is stronger than any attack they used against Natsu. Whether or not an attack creates an explosion is largely irrelevant. What matters is how much damage it does to the target.

The one guy who hit the MPF with a physical attack scored like 4. For all we know, the MPF wasnt even measuring the strength of that one attack, but the MP in the creature's entire body. We know that the creature's actual power is to wipe out magic, so if it was actually using its power, the MPF would have sensed nothing. This really doesnt change the fact that Irene has already assumed her dragon form, which is as durable as she's gonna get.

Stats =/= Magical power. You actually have to use actual magic for it to affect your stats. We even see this in the latest chapter. Natsu actually had to *use* everyone's magic by going into DF and making his flames hotter to actually pierce Vierne's scales. If he stayed in base, his punches wouldnt have done anything. Maybe if Selene had some sort of defensive magic that makes her body harder, then maybe she could tank Ignia's roar. But she's never shown this.

 

[WoWfan]

It does, he was still fighting so even if the attack hit him he would still be durable since he was aware of it, he just tilted his head and used peripherals. He was still in a fight so he would dodge. Selene was not fighting anymore so that comparison is moot. She react to his roar closer than that when she was prepared to fight. Prove it that he was getting serious because Ignia made no indication that was some different or greater power as Ignia was struggling and they were evenly matched, no fact, he stated nothing nor visuals show it is stronger. It is a cheap shot and nothing said otherwise, he claims that he would have killed Acno, if so, he already killed Acno level character so his arc with Natsu is pointless because he proved his superiority. That is different, you don’t need a warning when you are already battle ready and you can react to the attack if fast enough. No but it is still a cheap shot. No, she was farther away and not battle read unlike at the beginning when they are closer and and she was prepared for battle. I saw videos way back when of people taking hits that would knock anyone out yet still stood and fought back because they knew they were in a fight and their bodies were ready, that is why you train yourself, you tense your body, just like how you use strength to lift something, if you don’t put effort you will not only lift it you will hurt yourself. You can still fight even with holes in you, people with bullet holes can still fight as adrenaline can work you through the pain. Beside this is magic world, things like that do determine your durability as you project MP. Erza was caught off guard and she was fine, and Laxus was not even using his full power. No, he could defend himself as he was not in a compromised position, he saw Natsu coming and yet was smacked down, the only one legit compromised was Gajeel’s attack. It does that means if he saw it then he can braise himself. Being a dragon slayer does not make you more durable, it is the amount of magic you have that counts as it equates to strength. It just makes you have properties of a dragon, not their actual strength. Laxus was not even using that magic at the time. I was referring to August, not Acno. He ran away, nothing indicated he was out of action that way. And yet Minerva was still around PoF sting as Rogue mentioned. You don’t have to be the strongest to be GM. He was more happy Jiemma is gone if you knew him. Natsu was tired and injured from his previous battles. What matters is circumstances not just power. No, if that were the case then it would register the MP of the atmosphere since it contains magic too. It was it’s shoulder, not entire body. Not real, the device can be destroyed and it would still project a number. Magic null still requires magic power to use. It is a power increase, and doesn’t change her being able to scale to/above Selene in human form. It does as you would suffer if your body is not accustomed to the MP you have, using or not. Changing form does magic one’s MP stronger anyway so that means nothing, this was before he used that form. So what is the point? Projecting magic power makes one stronger by default which is why there are those “getting serious quotes come from” no need for spells as that is common fact. Also Bluenote couldn’t react to Natsu’s breath attack twice, first on Tenrou and the latter was weaker, and in Orochi Fin arc where Natsu was stronger, also to add, with Inverse Square law, any energy projected from source gets weaker with distance, since both cases could defeat each of their enemies at a further distance away, the Selene was off guard and Bluenote was no longer stronger than Natsu. Also noticing you using Laxus and saying can’t defend himself when he was in mid air and noticed Natsu approaching him is rather bias when you chastise me saying Jacob when blown back through the air and couldn’t defend himself against Natsu’s most powerful attack.

 

[Axiomus]

Igneel can't face-tank roars from Acnologia. Every time Acno roared, he had to dodge or match it with a fire punch. The final roar Acno used pretty muched shredded the rest of Igneel's body.

Ignia literally said "Now it's my turn" to Selene before Natsu interrupted them, indicating that he was about to start attacking more seriously. His whole conversation to Natsu was avout how he's stronger than Igneel, and would have killed him. Clearly he was going to use stronger attacks than he did at the beginning of the fight.

By definition, you didnt see videos of people taking hits that would knock out anyone. You saw people taking hits that didnt have the power to knock them out. If the blows had the power to knock out anyone, it would have knocked them out. When soldiers get shot and continue fighting. No amount of flexing would have prevented the bullets from passing through their flesh. They just happened to get shot in locations where they could survive, and still move other areas of their body.

Sabertooth specifically chose their GM based off who is the strongest. It's why Sting was made GM. Jiemma was the strongest of prior to that. Minerva wasnt on Sting's level, and Rogue didnt claim she was. He just said he only believed Minerva and Sting could take on FT members. Minerva couldnt keep up with Mard Geer nearly as well as Sting did. Sting literally saved her from Mard. Alvarez arc showed up the true extent of how much Sting surpassed Minerva. He shrugged off attacks that oneshotted Kagura.


Yeah, Bluenote couldnt react to all of Natsu's attacks. So he facetanked some of them on Tenrou. What's the problem here? Why are you trying to use the inverse square law lmao? There is a bigger gap between Natsu's attack power and Bluenote's durability and Ignia's attack power and Selene's duravility. Bluenote can withstand Natsu's roar. Burnt to a crisp, but remain intact. Ignia's roar vaporized a hole in Selene.

The point is the only time MPF was struck physically was by fodder tier creature whose only power is to negate magic. It gave a pathetic score of 5. This is hardly proof that merely having high MP makes you stronger. If anything, MPF proves that having high MP doesnt actually translate to higher physical stats. Cana maxed out the MPF with Fairy Glitter, but is nowhere near as durable as Jura. And yes, Laxus took Hade's hit without any magic. Then moments later, he got back up to punch Hades in the face. All without magic. Laxus is built lol.

Being a dragon slayer absolutely does make you more durable. You are enchanting your body with the properties of a dragon. This includes their physical strength, and physical strength affects durability. When Gajeel said that nobody could survive against this much dragon-slaying magic, Laxus answered by saying the answer was simple - and it was because he was a dragonslayer too.

Im not saying Laxus couldnt defend himself because he was midair lol. Im saying he couldnt react in time to Natsu's attack because Natsu up came from behind him, and hit him before you could block. Laxus also couldnt defend himself from Natsu and Gajeel's roar afterwards either. Laxus was caught off guard multiple times. He simply tanked the hit. This is completely different from Jacob's situation. Jacob was burning up from being near Natsu. That's why he couldnt defend himself Being on the ground wouldnt have changed this. Honestly, you're the only person that cares if someone is midair. Being midair doesnt stop you from raising your arms to block.

 

[WoWfan]

Maybe no, but he can still dodge them, he matched his attacks before. His body was still in tact but just cease to function. And Selene was going to match it with her own strength. That in no way indicated being serious, just that he will not allow her to counter attack this time, even if was that proves she could match his speed, debunking what you claim faster speed when serious. No, it was for Acno, hr claiming he could kill Acno can mean he was use a weak attack. I’ve seen plenty of videos where people are knocked out without provocation. And people with the same attack on those aware can take it as prepared for it, no, it is different levels of effort used. Not unless they braise for it. No, but that is durability since they are aware they are in a fight. Not unless you unload a magazine and still fight. Rogue stated that Minerva was on a level on her own. Minerva lost the will to fight at that point. and Sting was in peak condition compared to before. So? Sting used element advantage and got power ups from that fight. It shows that there is no difference in speed but power, he was farther away the second time and won unlike the first time. Not before where Natsu was closer on Tenrou and his attack did not work. Selene tanked his attacks lol. Bluenote was down. And Natsu was not going all out either. Selene was done fighting at that point so her durability is not at it’s best. No, because magic negation still uses magic power. You just project magic power into that spell and it would give a number. The point of that is that he must not use his true power in front of others as Raven Tail stated. Incorrect as he just through the round as RT is not displeased, plus he had a puppet which yield a higher result based on mass even. Because FG is not her own MP as it belongs to the Sun Moon and Stars. and he was down, no point in arguing that. Moments? It was a few chapters worth of time. And Hades was losing his power enough for Natsu to punch him when he is out of magic. No, it does not as by your logic DS Like Wendy would be stronger than Jura since she could destroy something he could not. It does not give you it’s durability, otherwise non dragon slayers can kill Dragons which is evident of regular spears killing dragons. The dragon aspect of only relative to their elements, nothing more nothing less. Yet why didn’t Natsu and Gajeel when they were hit by Laxus’ attack? That logic is not sound, Laxus just has more power than the two as he claimed neither of them are worthy of it, plus we see Magic been used when he got up so he used Magic to protect himself. He knew about Natsu climbing up the wall he had plenty of time to react if Natsu could react to lighting attacks and even traded blows with him physically. Because they did not let up as he was down. He just powered up to Dragon Force afterward. No such thing, he saw them coming and could match their punches, Natsu simply piledrove Laxus at that state. No such thing, he was pushed back where he could not defend himself and yet he could escape after that blow. It would as Invel who is on Jacob’s level could block Natsu’s FDKM flames. Not when you are pushed with enough force to not protect yourself. Also, Elf dude stated that all the DGs are finding ways to outmaneuver each other, that includes Ignia, you can’t deny what the knowledge dude says. So with recent chapter shows that flexing his power does affect him physically as he is brand new with injuries not affecting him, and no, it is not regeneration as Dragons negates those, there is also Hades' Devil Eye which shows he recovers from increasing magic power too. And to add the nail in the coffin on the personality thing, They can have magic power but it may affects their appearance, no superpowered forms, Brain/Zero (Brain even sustained damage that knocked him out, the moment Zero awoke with his true magic, his body recovered), Jellal/Siegran (Jellal could not fight at his full strength while Siegran was around, but when they fused the wound was not an issue anymore and is stronger than before), plus if one person has magic power of another with the magic they would usually change appearance, like Natsu with Laxus' magic power (even has it's lightning properties being electrically charged), Wendy with Irene's magic power, plus in the anime, it shows that their magic power do not switch as they are distinct colors even.

 

[Ratrace]

I was rereading some stuff and what got me was what Makarov said to Jose right here

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So did mages MP normally grow as they got older or did Hiro change his mind

 

[WoWfan]

I was rereading some stuff and what got me was what Makarov said to Jose right here

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So did mages MP normally grow as they got older or did Hiro change his mind

Jose likely trained himself to get to that point. Magic power can grow with you but if you don’t put effort it would be more of a constant rate based on your physical conditions.

 

[Ratrace]

Jose likely trained himself to get to that point. Magic power can grow with you but if you don’t put effort it would be more of a constant rate based on your physical conditions.

That could be but the way Makarov said it seems like it’s not common.

We talked about this earlier

 

[WoWfan]

That could be but the way Makarov said it seems like it’s not common.

We talked about this earlier

Yes, it can be uncommon as there are special cases where people are born with exceptional magic power, the only ones I know are Ultear and August.

 

[Darklord#10]

According to reddit base natsu has no feats and is weaker than Lucy and that Lucy is stronger than casual erza and base natsu cuz she can copy them

natsu would shit diff all of 100 years quest Lucy's opponents

 

[Fairies Flame]

According to reddit base natsu has no feats and is weaker than Lucy and that Lucy is stronger than casual erza and base natsu cuz she can copy them

natsu would shit diff all of 100 years quest Lucy's opponents

I've seen that user on reddit and that account is a huge Lucy fan. It even claimed that Star Dress Lucy > Snake Lucy because of "feats". But failed to explain why is that the case. I've already put my claims how scaling Lucy to Natsu or Erza because of copy through Aquarius X Gemini is a massive outlier.

1. Her Aquarius X Gemini only lasts for 16 seconds and those clones were imperfected clones meant to distract Kyria. The only clones that were perfected were Yukino and Hisui as they are probably weaker than Lucy.
2. Her Star Dress Mix couldn't damage Athena but Duke was able to effortlessly pierce through her body. Natsu not only beat Duke but also overpowered Athena II both in base and LFD mode. And Athena II has proven she could content against the original Athena.
3. Lucy couldn't even do anything against God Serena but Natsu was able to burn away God Serena's attack.
4. As much as how everyone seem to love Lucy beating Kyria, she used up all her magic for it and it doesn't contend with the BDSK like Suzaku or Misaki, who Natsu and Erza are able to fight against.

All those points above, Lucy was never really stronger than Natsu or Erza. And claiming because of the Aquarius X Gemini is a massive outlier.

 

[Darklord#10]

I've seen that user on reddit and that account is a huge Lucy fan. It even claimed that Star Dress Lucy > Snake Lucy because of "feats". But failed to explain why is that the case. I've already put my claims how scaling Lucy to Natsu or Erza because of copy through Aquarius X Gemini is a massive outlier.

1. Her Aquarius X Gemini only lasts for 16 seconds and those clones were imperfected clones meant to distract Kyria. The only clones that were perfected were Yukino and Hisui as they are probably weaker than Lucy.
2. Her Star Dress Mix couldn't damage Athena but Duke was able to effortlessly pierce through her body. Natsu not only beat Duke but also overpowered Athena II both in base and LFD mode. And Athena II has proven she could content against the original Athena.
3. Lucy couldn't even do anything against God Serena but Natsu was able to burn away God Serena's attack.
4. As much as how everyone seem to love Lucy beating Kyria, she used up all her magic for it and it doesn't contend with the BDSK like Suzaku or Misaki, who Natsu and Erza are able to fight against.

All those points above, Lucy was never really stronger than Natsu or Erza. And claiming because of the Aquarius X Gemini is a massive outlier.

lucy stronger than base natsu or casual erza is crazy tbh. they are delusional asf lmao

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I've seen that user on reddit and that account is a huge Lucy fan. It even claimed that Star Dress Lucy > Snake Lucy because of "feats". But failed to explain why is that the case. I've already put my claims how scaling Lucy to Natsu or Erza because of copy through Aquarius X Gemini is a massive outlier.

1. Her Aquarius X Gemini only lasts for 16 seconds and those clones were imperfected clones meant to distract Kyria. The only clones that were perfected were Yukino and Hisui as they are probably weaker than Lucy.
2. Her Star Dress Mix couldn't damage Athena but Duke was able to effortlessly pierce through her body. Natsu not only beat Duke but also overpowered Athena II both in base and LFD mode. And Athena II has proven she could content against the original Athena.
3. Lucy couldn't even do anything against God Serena but Natsu was able to burn away God Serena's attack.
4. As much as how everyone seem to love Lucy beating Kyria, she used up all her magic for it and it doesn't contend with the BDSK like Suzaku or Misaki, who Natsu and Erza are able to fight against.

All those points above, Lucy was never really stronger than Natsu or Erza. And claiming because of the Aquarius X Gemini is a massive outlier.

i just checked their profile and they said some things about natsu not being able to use df without magical amps and how snake lucy forced natsu to use his ligthning flames mode. honestly there is no point in like trying to debate someone like that. there's always extremist among even well liked fans

 

[Fairies Flame]

lucy stronger than base natsu or casual erza is crazy tbh. they are delusional asf lmao

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i just checked their profile and they said some things about natsu not being able to use df without magical amps and how snake lucy forced natsu to use his ligthning flames mode. honestly there is no point in like trying to debate someone like that. there's always extremist among even well kiked fans

Seriously, did they not remember Natsu using that against Mard Geer, Zeref and Aldoron?
Honestly, some feats pre-Elentear are pretty much irrelevant to what is happening now just like with the outlier reason I put above.

 

[Ratrace]

If someone is saying Lucy > Natsu they’re either delusional or trolling

 

[Fairies Flame]

If someone is saying Lucy > Natsu they’re either delusional or trolling

On Reddit, that account is a huge Lucy fan, so probably delusional.

 

[Ratrace]

On Reddit, that account is a huge Lucy fan, so probably delusional.

That person is

 

[Darklord#10]

@Fairies Flame do you know megadoomer?

 

[Fairies Flame]

@Fairies Flame do you know megadoomer?

No, I don't. I feel like I heard that name though.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

Wow, never seen a mod have a melt down over being objectively incorrect. Thats a first.

Selene got bros on coping pills.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Did something change in Minerva Orland power level after Viernes arc? Who is the strongest wizard that she can defeat or draw in a fight, according to you, guys?