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[Orphan Prince]

The DF used against Aldoron would get high diff'd by Suzaku IMO. Same for DF he used against Animus. The DF used against Animus is technically a stronger boost to the base, but it was on a weaker base (x792). If he indeed goes that form in x793, I guess it can defeat Suzaku high diff.

Agreed, as of now Suzaku extreme-diffed Selene, he'd likely high-diff Natsu in those forms.

The DF he used against Merc had external power source, and hence shouldn't be considered as per rules. But if we want to consider this hypothetical, it was stronger than <50% Merc. I think that DF Natsu might mid-high diff Suzaku, I consider it to be Natsu's strongest form till date

Agreed, Natsu with Ignia's flames pretty much no-diffed <=50℅ Mercphobia. He definitely beats Suzaku, no less than mid-diff.

 

[aymen24]

I find it wrong to compare Selene as a human to Natsu (DF).......

I mean Selene is a real dragon and Natsu is a dragon slayer......

Maybe just you guys forgot that Aldron in his human form had Aldron's power as a dragon too

Spoiler: aldron

merc as a human was fodder against Kiria's attack too.....And he lost to this attack xd
he was fodder for Kiria and Skullion...........Even if it's only 50% of his strength

But as a dragon he was very strong in those fifty percent

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I missed something?!

 

[Ramen]

Natsu blew a hole in Aldoron with his DF and Dragon Aldoron >> Human Selene lol.

Natsu would still eat Suzaku.

 

[Static]

Natsu blew a hole in Aldoron with his DF and Dragon Aldoron >> Human Selene lol.

Natsu would still eat Suzaku.

That was 1/5th of Aldoron, no? And he also just woke up.

 

[Ramen]

That was 1/5th of Aldoron, no? And he also just woke up.

Yea but that one attack caused him to blow up.

 

[aymen24]

That was 1/5th of Aldoron, no? And he also just woke up.

50% of merc ( human form)
lost from kiria attack
And against Skullion too

Spoiler: .......

Frankly, I am not sure on this point
Does merc have no power here or does he have 50%?
Since someone like Kiria did this...

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

50% of merc ( human form)
lost from kiria attack
And against Skullion too

Spoiler: .......

Frankly, I am not sure on this point
Does merc have no power here or does he have 50%?
Since someone like Kiria did this...

Faris can reduce someone's magic to zero or max anytime she wants Merc said his powers as a dragon were stolen in chapter 9.

 

[aymen24]

Faris can reduce someone's magic to zero or max anytime she wants Merc said his powers as a dragon were stolen in chapter 9.

That's why I said I'm not sure

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

That's why I said I'm not sure

I have a question. Where did the power he lost go? Vanished to air . Here he refers to the white wizard has a he then turns out to be faris is a she

 

[Tirl]

Where did the power he lost go? Vanished to air

As far as I know, Faris doesn't take power, she just blocks it for some time. And later Natsu burnt it all xd well, its Natsu

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

As far as I know, Faris doesn't take power, she just blocks it for some time. And later Natsu burnt it all xd well, its Natsu

She can steal others' powers, reduce them to zero, or maximize. She uses a stolen spell in chapter 72.5

 

[aymen24]

I have a question. Where did the power he lost go? Vanished to air . Here he refers to the white wizard has a he then turns out to be faris is a she

Only Ymir knows ......I mean mashima

The problem is that I don't understand her ability....
She did the same with the guild...
But she didn't steal the power..xd

 

[Tirl]

She can steal others' powers, reduce them to zero, or maximize. She uses a stolen spell in chapter 72.5

Spell, not magic power. She said she needed DG to fight for herself. She can't just take their power for herself

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Spell, not magic power. She said she needed DG to fight for herself. She can't just take their power for herself

She renders someone magic to zero using white-out and then can maximize its max if she wants. She just can use the magic of those who she had white out.

 

[grey matter]

Natsu blew a hole in Aldoron with his DF and Dragon Aldoron >> Human Selene lol.

Natsu would still eat Suzaku.

Aldo was nerfed massively at that point, and he woke up nerfed to begin with. So he was probably at like 15% of his full potential at that point. I don't think that nefed of a dragon Aldo >> human Selene. Full power, or even the nerfed one which woke up with all God Seeds in tact? Sure.

DF Natsu may win, but it won't be easy.

 

[Ramen]

Aldo was nerfed massively at that point, and he woke up nerfed to begin with. So he was probably at like 15% of his full potential at that point. I don't think that nefed of a dragon Aldo >> human Selene. Full power, or even the nerfed one which woke up with all God Seeds in tact? Sure.

DF Natsu may win, but it won't be easy.

He'd still be above Human Selene in all physical attributes, AoE, AP, and the list goes on.

 

[grey matter]

He'd still be above Human Selene in all physical attributes, AoE, AP, and the list goes on.

I doubt about attack potency, since he is massively nerfed. Physically yeah, magically no

And defense (not durability, i.e HP vs Armour thing). Nerfed dragon Aldo can take more damage due to his sheer size. But it would be harder to cut Selene than Aldo, because Aldo was nerfed.

Point being, I consider the spell Suzaku used to have higher attack potency than what DF Natsu used against nerfed Aldo, even though Natsu's attack has way more AOE.

 

[aymen24]

human Selene.

This is the problem too
Selene is not a dragon slayer she's a real dragon

Which means that her full potential must be in her form as a dragon

And vice versa for dragon slayers... their potential as humans but their strength increases with their transformations.......


Suzaku has great strength
But Selene still sees that he can't kill Kurnugi.....
But he defeated her as a human....

kurnugi>> human Selene

 

[Raven]

Natsu
Jellal
Mira
Kiria

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who is mimi, i don't remember

 

[grey matter]

This is the problem too
Selene is not a dragon slayer she's a real dragon

Which means that her full potential must be in her form as a dragon

And vice versa for dragon slayers... their potential as humans but their strength increases with their transformations.......


Suzaku has great strength
But Selene still sees that he can't kill Kurnugi.....
But he defeated her as a human....

kurnugi>> human Selene

Yes. Obviously dragon Selene should be >> human Selene, I'm not arguing that. And you're right that human Selene is different from DS, since she's a dragon to begin with
I was wondering about how human Selene scales to massively nerfed dragon Aldoron. I'd say even her human form is superior considering Aldo was heavily nerfed.
Merc sensed her MP and commented on how it was greater than his nerfed self that fought team Natsu and Aldo who had just woken up, that has to mean something right?

And she was wrong. She underestimated his strength
Selene thought she was going to destroy Suzaku once she got serious, but it was she who fell.
We can't say Kurunugi >> human Selene because her analysis about Suzaku was flawed to begin with.

Now, all this changes if what happened last chapter was some thought projection or clone or some shit. Or was a part of her plan. I'm iffy about making a strong judgement about anything that happened in the last 2 chapters because I think we're missing something here. Lets see

who is mimi, i don't remember

Selene's minion who looks like female Elfman. She fought Lucy