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To be honest, I thought it would be much worse. But it turned out pretty well.
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This show had absolutely zero business being as good as it was. I was surprised that I didn't even need to handicap it with the low expectations I had, it was just somehow legit pretty alright.
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If you paid attention to production details you could tell that being better than what GoT turned into would be a pretty automatically easy accomplishment. But yeah, thankfully HBO didn't have anyone there to fuck up Condal and GRRM's vision for the series.
There's a few gripes I have with what narrative choices they made in some places but it's not the same as complaining about butchered book canon and/or completely missing the fucking point of the series since the nature of the source material is so open to interpretation.
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IMO House of Dragon was better then Game of Thrones last season!
Sure there were some scenes where I face palmed, and asked myself "why she didn't kill the queen and her children, when she was there with her DRAGON?"
Sure there were some scenes where I face palmed, and asked myself "why she didn't kill the queen and her children, when she was there with her DRAGON?"
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HotD was better than the whole back half of GoT.
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xi0 that's certainly a choice to have for an opening reply to me of all people here xD <-- this is a bit
I think the only things that really annoyed me about HotD was narrative contrivance. So much of the central conflict had to rely on the flimsiest of pretenses. But even with that out of the way, I can't believe I'm actually looking forward to more of that show... considering what hot garbage we were left with after GoT.
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lmao... well I realize now it comes off a certain way but I mainly meant that there was no Weiss or Benioff.
The show has an issue with the flow episode to episode. Some of the characters are different each time (Damon stands out the most). Granted there's some time skips involved here or there, but you can really sense how fractured the writing process for this show was due to covid. Also some of the "chosen" plot beats can be somewhat hit or miss, but that's mainly the writers being forced to choose a canon interpretation of the source materiel. There's aspects of Fire & Blood that really show their cracks when you examine them closely, mainly to do with how it was constructed, especially for the chapters pertaining to this time period since there were existing novellas whose details were altered for the sake of the history book. So some changes can be for the good, but also some may not be. I certainly trust Condel more than I ever trusted Dumb&Dumber.
My biggest gripe is probably their interpretation of Criston Cole. He's called the "Kingmaker" yet the reason he's given that moniker is basically taken from him in the show for seemingly no reason. Also the inclusion of the Prophecy as a new wrinkle has some issues IMO, but I digress.
But that being said, everything else about it is so solid that it doesn't hurt it too much.
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The dueling trailers is just a bit too MCU for me but still looking forward to it. Seeing Harrenhal next to The Isle of Faces was so nice.
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Overall, I feel House of the Dragon has been better than at least 80% of GoT, but the main reason is because HotD doesn't seem to go for shock the way GoT did.
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Larys: "Hold my wine, I have royal feet to jerk off to"
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That is such an iconic scene, but that still pales in comparison to most things in GoT. I mean, foot fetish is common, but burning your kid as a sacrifice to become king is on another level
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To be fair right after that
Larys burns alive his dad, brother, and presumably everyone else in the castle at the time.
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I'm not saying you're wrong, HOTD is nowhere near as edgelordy as GOT. Just poking fun.
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I am exited of season two after watched trailes
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80% is too high... if you're a book reader and insistent on being as critical as possible GoT is great to solid through the first 4 seasons. Some decisions made were mistakes IMO but given the showrunners had no interest in adapting much of anything faithfully after the first 3 books in the series (despite some people blaming GRRM for not finishing the series quickly enough) the changes do make more sense.
For HoTD, Condell is clearly a far bigger fan of the source material but he has more narrative freedom to decide the "truth" of major plot-points in the portions of the book pertaining to this time period, simply because the faux history book structure of Fire & Blood has more than one source for these things and they're often at odds with another.
For instance, an argument could be made when reading the source material that Daemon Targaryen is not even remotely close to a "villain" they paint him as and that the major sources were clearly motivated to smear him in their writings. In the show nothing of the sort is suggested - he doesn't defend himself from allegations of his "heir for a day" comment about the death of Viserys' son despite there being no credible witnesses of him doing so, and in the show he very clearly cripples and kills his wife Rhea Royce in order to be free from the marriage and while people cast aspersions about his involvement in her death, he's in the Stepstones at the time she fell from her horse. You could just as easily call it an accident.
But in any case, HoTD is on a very good start. Not the same level as the first season of GoT but still a great time. And I certainly have more faith in the show remaining something of that level than I did in D&D.
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While I'm team Black like most of the people I know, I believe I'm the only one who knows how things go down and the story ends... So I'm really curious if there will be a shift in sides when Rhaenyra starts making some questionable decisions.
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The source material is very obviously anti-Black faction, so I'm curious how Ryan Condell will adapt that. Giving Alicent the material he already has proves that he has to go out of his way to make them easier to sympathize with, I expect more with Helaena too.
And yeah, I'm curious how they'll handle those decisions and remove ambiguity about them. I'm not team Black or team Green, but it's obvious who was "less wrong" than the other.
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Okay, so after having seen the new trailer I am actually a lot less convinced about the new season.
There are two things that leave me confused and I think I have to put this in spoiler text. I will write the inside of the first still as vague as possible since it is really major:
The second one I cannot be as vague.
There are two things that leave me confused and I think I have to put this in spoiler text. I will write the inside of the first still as vague as possible since it is really major:
A certain battle where someone dies will not be part of Season 2. It is very cineastic and a natural season finale on paper. So what else will be the Season finale?
The second one I cannot be as vague.
Apparently they condensed the character of Nettles with one of Damon's daughters and honestly that sucks ass. It just seems so wrong and out of place for various reasons. And honestly my biggest complain is that this merger sounds like legit stuff out of Winx Club. The storyline that comes out of it and the character development that comes out of it is just ass.
It's not just Nettles that got annihilated from plot, Damon's daughter did, too.
And yes she doesn't have much. But she would have had a Dragon welpling hatching (now also cut)...It shows an utmost lack of creative spirit to not come up with some good original plot for her.
Everyone a dragon rider and from zero to hero so many times is so played through already throughout the first season.
Cutting Nettles will imply major changes in character development regarding Daemon. It also makes the already pathetic melodram death scene of Laena Velaryon even more pathetic, if Daemon never gets another black girl.
What the first season implied is that Daemon is torn between a Fire&Blood fascist side that is pretty bad and a lifestyle experimentalist side that is actually quite chill and that was mostly shown in Laena times and considering how his story ends...
Or will they make him make love with his daughter?
Lastly, such changes are a pretty nasty prospect for creative people in general. Like even if your books get world famous success, if you want it on screen you'll have to accept it being torn apart by other people.
Because this is definitely not a necessary cut. The Dance of the Dragons plotline doesn't even have that many core characters to begin with. Natural rules of production wants you to introduce new major characters through the earlier seasons, and still noteworthy ones in later. This cut is a creative choice. It is out of dislike of the source material.
It's not just Nettles that got annihilated from plot, Damon's daughter did, too.
And yes she doesn't have much. But she would have had a Dragon welpling hatching (now also cut)...It shows an utmost lack of creative spirit to not come up with some good original plot for her.
Everyone a dragon rider and from zero to hero so many times is so played through already throughout the first season.
Cutting Nettles will imply major changes in character development regarding Daemon. It also makes the already pathetic melodram death scene of Laena Velaryon even more pathetic, if Daemon never gets another black girl.
What the first season implied is that Daemon is torn between a Fire&Blood fascist side that is pretty bad and a lifestyle experimentalist side that is actually quite chill and that was mostly shown in Laena times and considering how his story ends...
Or will they make him make love with his daughter?
Lastly, such changes are a pretty nasty prospect for creative people in general. Like even if your books get world famous success, if you want it on screen you'll have to accept it being torn apart by other people.
Because this is definitely not a necessary cut. The Dance of the Dragons plotline doesn't even have that many core characters to begin with. Natural rules of production wants you to introduce new major characters through the earlier seasons, and still noteworthy ones in later. This cut is a creative choice. It is out of dislike of the source material.
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Why do you think it won't be part of this season? Makes prefect sense the season will end on that, considering the things we saw in the trailer like Criston being the hand.
I don't see why you would believe a random rumor, especially one that doesn't even make sense logically... Multiple characters, including Rhaenyra and Alicent were given far more to do then they did in the books without the need to eliminate other characters. There's no reason they would do that now, especially since Martin is directly involved in HotD, and said character is one he has said he wanted to explore more of.
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Idk what the fuck you mean by that comment about Laena's death being pathetic if Daemon never gets another black girl (seriously wtf is that supposed to mean). But damn I am straight up a pillar of salt about Nettles seemingly being cut.
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It's nonsense... Could it happen, sure, anything could happen, but definitely not for the reason given. As mention, not only have numerous characters been given more to do in the first season, but even the trailer for the second season show characters getting expanded roles... if everyone else can be given more to do without another character being eliminated, why would this situation be different?
