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Yea I forgot about the Tartaros arc...That was the last time FT made sense to me. Imo the author suffered from delivering too much fan service...

Erza's victories during Tenrou Island, Tartaros arc , and vs Her Mother are all stupid bad writing to wherr disbelief Cant be suspended. These moments are all cringy and it happed repeatedly with the character all the way to the end.
What erks me most about the fight against Kyouka is how unessary it was for Erza to win. Kyou was already gonna die when the time ran out and given the way she drew out erza death. It's entirely acceptable that She died before killing erza. Heck that would have been a interesting way to do it.
 

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Yea I forgot about the Tartaros arc...That was the last time FT made sense to me. Imo the author suffered from delivering too much fan service...

Erza's victories during Tenrou Island, Tartaros arc , and vs Her Mother are all stupid bad writing to wherr disbelief Cant be suspended. These moments are all cringy and it happed repeatedly with the character all the way to the end.
Well if i be honest Erza:'s victory against Azuma didn't bother me at all,but her victories against Kyouka and Irene,i became so angry that i hoped Acnologia kill Erza .


But there again FT didn't fight any war with Alvarez,it was simply a farce,never saw in any war that one side didn't receive any loss .Joke in the name of a war happened.
 
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Are you reading BC still Spirit?I dropped it some time back,generic cliché shounen series.



Ft was really great till Tenrou.This was the series which brought me into the anime world.
I actually do keep up with Clover :grin

As I said. Good for some mindless fun on a Friday morning.
 

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I actually do keep up with Clover :grin

As I said. Good for some mindless fun on a Friday morning.
Well i didn't like it anymore but any way back to topic Spirit don't you think fake deaths and obviously fanservice ruins Hiro's series
 

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Me all I hear from BC is that it's mixed Naruto and FT, otherwise I do not hear so much that it is especially appreciated, but I see few people criticized above.

Yeah finally people must not forget that already phatom lord, OS, edolas, they already had people who said that FT must stop becomes shit.

After tenro is for most people most appreciated, but ceratin said that FT will have stopped with this end the: /.

Congratulations late, the members of FT are dead, super like end of manga: /.

Bha after it's more really a whim of people, rather than an absolute rule.

The fact that there are deaths (important) or not in a war, it is because people claim it certe that brings drama, but must not become systematic and mandatory.

Take navyfort or the 4th Great War, if Ace, white beard and neji, were not dead, would that be considered bows of shit? Bha no.


Why is the war against Aizen adored and the war against the Quincy not at all?

In the 1 st addition that there is no death among the gentiles, because it is simply orchestrated well.

What is not the 2nd which is a purge of the characters.

I do not mind that there is no death in a war, if there is, and well I would do with it.

But when the war begins in any manga you do not know in advance who will die or not, and logically you pray that nobody dies, and especially not a person that you like.

Proof of it is with SNK it has become its main fault, there has been too much death, and much for nothing of the dead meaningless, just to fill the cota.

Especially the latest, controversial and not at all appreciated.

I do not say that you must not have a death in a story, war, fight and so on.

I say that death must have a real meaning, an importance, a change of vision for the hero, a questioning of values, a PU, a descent to hell, a passage on the dark side, an epic fight with a last swan song.

It's all about death and its usefulness and how we use it, after there may be some exceptions because that is what confirms the rule.

A character can very well be killed like that, at the corner of a street, to surprise us, while he is happy, we think he is free and everything is an example.

But there will have been a staging before, for the Drama.

But it will not be a death to fill the cota, because if it does, it will ruin everything.

It's basic rule, but people are asking for dead, for cota, for credibility, for seriousness.

It proves that people have no interest for people, it's sad.
 

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Yo Erza fight vs Azuma was the turning point of FT that was when FT started to become shit. Tartaros arc was decent.i love it when natsu actually was getting what he should have gotten arcs ago an asswhoopong and knowing he can’t win thru BS natsu as a PS character isn’t that strong and I was telling ppl for years he replies on random multiple power ups and POF which was proves my point further in the story. When u have a PL scheme it has to be as consistent as the MC as the story progresses. natsu was all over the place that it was very hard to powerscaling him throughout the series. One arc he on zeref’s level next arc he is barely on Erza’s Level. As for Erza she was one of few female characters in anime history that was strong in her own right and then tenrou happened she went from being strong to being a natsu 2.0. She was once a very likable character by her fans(me included) but now she intolerable (especially for hardcore fans)
 
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It proves that people have no interest for people, it's sad.
I thought we are reading fictional stories and we care only for great stories and not for fictional characters isn't it?

And sorry Strike you are a good friend to me but still can't agree with you on this.We cannot show a single war in history where one side didn't lose a single person.But that's exactly what happened in FT.No one was asking for ft members dying in previous arcs while fighting dark guilds but this was a freaking war.

You did mention meaningful deaths.That could have happened if Gajeel,Juvia,Gildarts and Makarov died and their deaths would have been great from the point of view of the story.


Also as you take the example of SNK,true people are sad everywhere in Reditt or MAL but no one is hating Isayama or SNK which happened with Mashima.

Also that volume came top in sales

https://myanimelist.net/news/55466667

So you see no one would have stopped buying FT if Ft characters died in war like SNK coming top.
 

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Well i didn't like it anymore but any way back to topic Spirit don't you think fake deaths and obviously fanservice ruins Hiro's series
It really does get "old" after a while. The deaths I mean. The same thing irritated me in the latter parts of Tokyo Ghoul:re. Fanservice I don't mind so much. It didn't really detract from the story, but by the time it got really prominent in Fairy Tail, the series had already gone to shit so it was noticeable. Dr Stone has fanservice to a degree. I like that. So does Shokugeki. I also like that. Fanservice doesn't necessarily detract value from a story. It simply depends on the state of the story itself at the time.
 

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I thought we are reading fictional stories and we care only for great stories and not for fictional characters isn't it?

And sorry Strike you are a good friend to me but still can't agree with you on this.We cannot show a single war in history where one side didn't lose a single person.But that's exactly what happened in FT.No one was asking for ft members dying in previous arcs while fighting dark guilds but this was a freaking war.

You did mention meaningful deaths.That could have happened if Gajeel,Juvia,Gildarts and Makarov died and their deaths would have been great from the point of view of the story.


Also as you take the example of SNK,true people are sad everywhere in Reditt or MAL but no one is hating Isayama or SNK which happened with Mashima.

Also that volume came top in sales

https://myanimelist.net/news/55466667

So you see no one would have stopped buying FT if Ft characters died in war like SNK coming top.
Oh but there is no problem, everyone his opinion :), I take it pretty reassure you.

I just gave my opinion.

It's just that when I see it claimed dead, without any real reason.

Those who wanted lucy, gray, erza, wendy, mira and other die since bone or edolas I think.

Or even in other manga when I see some dead, I do not understand the interest?

I do not say that we hated isayama, it's just that the last death does not have any more and that it is a useless and tasteless death.

It's just that I will like people to understand and stop claiming dead for cota.

And also to understand that mashima loves his people too much for killed XD as he says himself, he still cries today sieghart said he, so voila.
 

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It really does get "old" after a while. The deaths I mean. The same thing irritated me in the latter parts of Tokyo Ghoul:re. Fanservice I don't mind so much. It didn't really detract from the story, but by the time it got really prominent in Fairy Tail, the series had already gone to shit so it was noticeable. Dr Stone has fanservice to a degree. I like that. So does Shokugeki. I also like that. Fanservice doesn't necessarily detract value from a story. It simply depends on the state of the story itself at the time.
There are far more series with far more fanservice. I felt the manga had the right amount and most of the nudity/skimpy outfits had to do with the plot where as the anime added the boob jiggles and shrunk some of the outfits the women were wearing. It’s kind of strange because the anime censored Edolas Lucy and removed some nudity but I found the parts they removed the nudity it mostly wasn’t sexual.
 

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There are far more series with far more fanservice. I felt the manga had the right amount and most of the nudity/skimpy outfits had to do with the plot where as the anime added the boob jiggles and shrunk some of the outfits the women were wearing. It’s kind of strange because the anime censored Edolas Lucy and removed some nudity but I found the parts they removed the nudity it mostly wasn’t sexual.
How many of those are outright porn?
 

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I just love how hypocrite are some of fairy tail/Mashima's fanboys here
"P-People only hate FT because they are sheeps"
Again with that stupid idea that there is a huge conspiration against FT?
Are you really that insecure that you just can't acept that there are people that just don't like that series?
I just love how everybody think that a big youtuber brainwashed everybody mind and that is the only reason of why FT is so hated...

And you repeat that same argument over and over again because someone here said it, so, who is the sheep?

Why is the war against Aizen adored
But people hated the battle of Karakura, people hated the useless secondary villains and that final fight against Aizen butterfly.
In fact that fight and Alvarez share some of the same mistakes, they hype up bad guys that end up being bad characters or that they lose in a pretty dispaointing way...
Oh yeah, and the final boss was defeated by a deux ex machina.
But at least Ichigo suffered a consecuence with that, Natsu never suffered nothing.

And also to understand that mashima loves his people too much for killed XD as he says himself, he still cries today sieghart said he, so voila.
So if Mashima loves his characters so much that he is unable to kill them, why he keeps trying to fool his fans by writting sad scenes where he "kills" someone just to bring him back in the next chapter?
If you can't write drama then don't try to do drama, is that simple

Or what, all those fake deaths, those artificial moments of "tension" were just a cheep way to try to keep the reader intereseted?
 

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I just love how hypocrite are some of fairy tail/Mashima's fanboys here
"P-People only hate FT because they are sheeps"
Again with that stupid idea that there is a huge conspiration against FT?
Are you really that insecure that you just can't acept that there are people that just don't like that series?
I just love how everybody think that a big youtuber brainwashed everybody mind and that is the only reason of why FT is so hated...

And you repeat that same argument over and over again because someone here said it, so, who is the sheep?


But people hated the battle of Karakura, people hated the useless secondary villains and that final fight against Aizen butterfly.
In fact that fight and Alvarez share some of the same mistakes, they hype up bad guys that end up being bad characters or that they lose in a pretty dispaointing way...
Oh yeah, and the final boss was defeated by a deux ex machina.
But at least Ichigo suffered a consecuence with that, Natsu never suffered nothing.



So if Mashima loves his characters so much that he is unable to kill them, why he keeps trying to fool his fans by writting sad scenes where he "kills" someone just to bring him back in the next chapter?
If you can't write drama then don't try to do drama, is that simple

Or what, all those fake deaths, those artificial moments of "tension" were just a cheep way to try to keep the reader intereseted?
So why do people fight spit on FT, when they do not read the manga? where we read and stopped before the end?

It's not complicated to move on, right? XD, that's crazy.

That he stops talking about FT is everything.

It does not matter to them any more since they are not fan, they give their opinion OK and after finished no need to come back again and again.

You do not want to admit that people are sheep, it's sad.

As an example I do not read Tokyo goul, I do not say it's manga shit, it's bad, the drawing is horrible and others.

No, it's just not my manga style, and so I will not go to a forum or video talking about it, to go spit on it, insult people because they read this manga.

All I'll say at worst is why it's not my manga style and that's it.

So if they do not like, he does not mention POINT.

It's like someone who does not like football, bha he will not talk about football, he will not participate in the discussion if his talking about football.

This is the only reason, it's true, FT has defects but we recognize it and we accept it we do not hide it and do not deny it.

But just because people are sheep, we say youtubers they must now be called influencer, it's like fashion with actors, if an actress do such a diet well many girls who are of this actress will do as an example, it's like that.

At this count you also do not repeat the same thing again and again, XD.

Sorry ? people did not like the battle of karakura? Where ? XD.

The favorite arc of bleach for most people is the soul society.

But between Aizen and Quincy, Aizen has been widely preferred.

Bha for the drama, XD, what he has to improve is the false death, not shown in the next chapter but wait 10-20-50 chapter before showing the character.

That is gajeel, jubia and mira, he will have to wait before making them reappear.

For giving us the doubt, it is also a writing style for the drama, but must not be abused if not more.

Or not sure we stopped naruto because jiraya is dead and the same for OP with Ace, so it's tightrope must be careful.
 

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not shown in the next chapter but wait 10-20-50 chapter before showing the character
No, that wasn't the problem, if you are going to kill a character and make a super sad scene with tears and flashbacks and speeches of "the future that I will never know", and things like that, and then that guy just shows up out of nowhere 50 chapters later, then that would be just as bad as if that guy shows up 4 chapters later.

The problem is that you just lie to your fans in a very sad attempt to make them interested in your story.
If you want to bring back a character then at least make it feel like something that needed effort, not just apearing again saying "not lol I'm not dead!"

But between Aizen and Quincy, Aizen has been widely preferred.
You are talking about the bad guy, and yeah, most people hated the Quincys, but a lot of people didn't like Katakura invasion, I heard quite a lot of people saying that the stopped liking Bleach after Hueco Mundo, most saying that the Ichigo Vs Ulquiorra fight was the last good thing of Bleach.

FT has defects but we recognize it and we accept it we do not hide it and do not deny it
Oh come on, that is a lie.

Here most of the FT fans really think that most of the people that hate FT only hate it because someone else say it was bad, never stopping to think that maybe people actually had reasons to not liking FT and Mashimas's writting, but no no, Sheeps yeah
Also they think that it was a "good story" thinking that it only had "minors problems" and denying to that is has some mayor problems by saying "b-but other shonens had them too!"
 
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No, that wasn't the problem, if you are going to kill a character and make a super sad scene with tears and flashbacks and speeches of "the future that I will never know", and things like that, and then that guy just shows up out of nowhere 50 chapters later, then that would be just as bad as if that guy shows up 4 chapters later.

The problem is that you just lie to your fans in a very sad attempt to make them interested in your story.
If you want to bring back a character then at least make it feel like something that needed effort, not just apearing again saying "not lol I'm not dead!"


You are talking about the bad guy, and yeah, most people hated the Quincys, but a lot of people didn't like Katakura invasion, I heard quite a lot of people saying that the stopped liking Bleach after Hueco Mundo, most saying that the Ichigo Vs Ulquiorra fight was the last good thing of Bleach.



Oh come on, that is a lie.

Here most of the FT fans really think that most of the people that hate FT only hate it because someone else say it was bad, never stopping to think that maybe people actually had reasons to not liking FT and Mashimas's writting, but no no, Sheeps yeah
Also they think that it was a "good story" thinking that it only had "minors problems" and denying to that is has some mayor problems by saying "b-but other shonens had them too!"
Not as he put it, it was good how gajeel was dead, jubilated and shouted the scene in her own right.

What he messed up is the fact of breaking the thing in the next chapter is not like that we use a false death.

Ha bha no if a character dies and 50 chapter later we learn that he has survived and how he did, the effect will be, it will be much better, that's how we make a false death.

But do not abuse the false death.

In any case it's my point of view on that.

Lying, XD all the big words, XD you have to be super emotional to feel betrayed at this point, for that sort of thing, XD.

You know that in other circumstances when a person who was thought to be dead and come back, people use more the term "" still happy that such or such has survived, miss more than that he died "" .

He says it funny but serious at the same time.

No no I was talking about the war against aizen, the battle of karakura, the bow hueco mondo, call it the way you want.

The bow of the quincy has been a purge and is the most hated of any bleach.

Lie if you want, XD for the minority.

But the fans of FT are for the most part honest, I saw nobody say that FT is perfect, without equal, absolute, without defect.

No one say that, everyone recognizes the faults of FT.

And so ? Why do not these people who do not like FT or the mashima style come to talk about FT, disturbed, insulted others, be here, on another forum or in videos that talk about FT.

As they say they have just given their opinion of why they do not like ok and then bye bye.

It's useless to come back if he does not like it, especially if it's for insulting, or going out "" how you can read such shit "," "you have no manga level" ".

Especially since some have never read FT he just knows the basic summary, the 1st arc or not even, they say, the pink haired guy, the blue cat and the blonde, there are fairies, dragon and others.

The titles that are paid FT, "" the ultimate plagiarist ", the biggest scam of all time" "" "" the worst manga in the world "" "" a manga for mentally handicapped "" and many others.

You really believe that it's "" fair "" people who "" "do not like" or do not like anymore FT who will be able to release similar titles

Bha no it's just harassment, kikoo that's nothing else to do with their life.

And youtubers do not arrange things, just look at the comments.

Someone said that the case FT and it was the same as the harassment that received the actor who made the young annakin in the episode 1 and also jarjar binks and lately the one who make pink in the 8.

And that person was right.

I'm sorry but good when you can not quoted FT without pointing fingers, insulted, limit spit on it is that there is a big problem.
 

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FT has a lot of issues overall, so the idea that people hate it because of peer pressure is stupid. A lot of people who I've talked to that dislike the series actually followed it up to a point before giving up.

Also, the fact that the most discussed thing about FT isn't even the story or the fights, but the useless ships tell you all you need to know about the series and it's ardent fans.

I don't hate FT btw.
 

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FT has a lot of issues overall, so the idea that people hate it because of peer pressure is stupid. A lot of people who I've talked to that dislike the series actually followed it up to a point before giving up.

Also, the fact that the most discussed thing about FT isn't even the story or the fights, but the useless ships tell you all you need to know about the series and it's ardent fans.

I don't hate FT btw.
Nailed it.
 

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How about the fact the one shot has no one explanation or correlation to natsu past abilities that showed he could do it?
Your kidding right? First off, did you not read the comment about it not being a one shot? They fought for several chapters, they used multiple spells and power ups. You are critiquing the finishing blow, not a genuine one shot. As far as the savage emotions attack goes. Did you forget the battle with Erigor? The series literally opens with telling you the basis of his magic is emotions in the beggining Then you all complain because his emotions let him overcome their gap, which is foreshadowed hard as hell. Pick a better complaint. Like the Acno battle, that was actually dissapointing I mean I was expecting at least something like Lucia/Haru, though I admit I wanted something more like Sieg/Haja for Zeref so the dissapointment is understandable. Though i would point out, this is what you get when you force someone to continue something they are no longer inspired about working on.
 

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I've encountered no one who thinks black clover is great. The most i've heard from everyone who reads it is that it's okay.... at best. They compared it to fast food or a cheap eat out place. There's no hiding what it is, you know what it is, no surprises, but you might find it good in the mood.

Everyone I know that dislikes FT, read it. And say that it was decent series at the beginning, but took a nose dive down the line.

Dude sonic adventures sucked.
I love Black Clover and its my third favorite anime and manga after One Piece and Fairy Tail.
And after Forneverworld started to talk about how much he likes the series i have mostly seen positivity about it and i dont really see the big hate it used to get anymore so like i said before many people will automatically change there opinion on something based on what popular youtubers are saying.
The big hate for Fairy Tail started after King Of Lightning started to hate on it in his videos and hes also one of the most popular youtubers when it comes to manga and anime.

And the Sonic Adventure games are some of my favorite games ever and most people in the world used to love them and think about them as awesome games but after Game Grumps hated on them everybody started to think about them as terrible games and started to hate on them so yea thats another example of people changing there opinion on something based on what big youtubers are saiying.

The Nostalgia Critic is the one that has made people decide what they think about plenty of movies and other stuff.
 

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People still hate BC,rightly so.

Also saying people hate FT because just some YouTuber said so is a Fallacy.

Instead of defending FT we should see why is it hated,what are the faults that it got in the last arc.

Sales of FT rapidly fell in Japan,no YouTuber can do that.
 
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