FDKM Demo-fist >>>>>> WSD Silk. Natsu Base FDKM >>>>>>>>> Natsu's Base Fire Dragon attacks >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natsu's base attacks with no fire >>>>>>> Kagura's slashes. Larcade would get his arm vaporized off the minute he even tries to block Natsu's FDK attack.
Please could you not use so many >? It makes it tough to understand what you're saying since there's no consistency. Not to mention it makes your arguments look ridiculous. Also, what has Natsu done to show that his base attacks with no fire is better than Kagura's slashes, which have been shown to easily cut a hill in half?
As for Demo-Fist >>>> WSD Silk, I'd gauge them around the same level. The best feat Demo Fist has to my memory (which could admittedly be wrong) is taking out Jacob. A defenseless Jacob caught in the air who had already taken a fair few hits in his fight with NaLu. On the other hand, WSD Silk downed Larcade who had already taken a barrage of attacks from base Sting and WSDM Sting. They should at least be somewhat within the same realm of power. And that's if we're assuming Jacob's and Larcade's durability is similar, and not thinking that Larcade's durability is better. It's because of this that I just don't see Natsu instantly vaporizing Larcade with an FDKM attack since of all the attacks Larcade endured prior to WSD Silk were endured with relative ease.
No point in comparing Larcade stopping Kagura attack to him trying to stop Natsu as Kagura is fodder to current Natsu lol.
And Kagura was fodder to Larcade. My point is that Larcade has evidence to show that he can block pretty impressive attacks with ease.
Light blades that Kagura easily dodged and blocked. They won't even tickle Natsu who has monster stats, and took Zeref's attacks to the face.
The light blades don't need to damage him so long as they provide a distraction, at which point Larcade can catch Natsu off-guard via Pleasure Tentacles. Also Natsu only took punches from Zeref, the second Zeref used a spell (a nameless one at that) he couldn't do anything and was forced to enter Dragon Force.
Yeah, and this was Natsu after the fight
... He was completely fine and still had LFD in the pocket.
Natsu vs Holy Nova with Sting in White Drive:
Larcade vs Holy Nova with Sting in Base:
A clear difference in power. Sting with Rogue, and both in DF couldn't even make Natsu take them as threat lol, and Larcade got his butt whooped by Sting empowered by weakened Rogue... I do not see where Larcade and Natsu are even comparable in stats.
First off, why are you bringing in GMG feats? We're talking about these characters in the Alvarez arc where it's clear they have both improved, hence Holy Nova going from getting blocked by base Natsu to blasting back a Spriggan who can stop a sword that causes immense damage with two fingers.
"Larcade got his butt whooped"... were we reading the same fight? Sting was constantly on the ropes after Larcade used Hunger, either receiving outside help when he needed it or getting damaged by Larcade. On top of this, I think you're ignoring the fact that Sting was immune to Larcade's (arguably) strongest hax and his light blades, which is the sole reason he wasn't on the ropes from the start.
Do you not see Natsu clearly standing up and literally listening to the entire conversation, and even commenting on it? You think a half dead Larcade can take an attack from Natsu? The same guy who two shotted a Spriggan, and vaporized Lake Sciliora???
Standing up ≠ Not being on the verge of sleep.
And no, I don't think half-dead Larcade can take a decent attack from Natsu, but the catch is that Natsu couldn't throw out an attack like that. This may be a guy who two-shotted a Spriggan, but we have canon evidence that shows he has to bash his own face in to resist RIP.
As Larcade himself pointed out, Natsu was left flustered and open to attacks.
And if we want to be objective here, it doesn't even matter if half-dead Larcade can't tank an FDKM attack since we're not talking about Natsu vs half-dead Larcade, we're talking about how a fresh Larcade would fair.
Lol c'mon Larcade was not a threat in any form to Natsu. One roar would've done Larcade in. He couldn't even take the attacks Zeref was dishing out on Natsu.
Mate... when did Zeref use anything remotely similar to this:
Against Natsu?
Larcade was no threat to Natsu? Is leaving someone on verge of unconsciousness not threatening to you?
Alvarez Natsu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alvarez Sting.
That sweet exaggeration.
That is a fact even without the Zeref fight. Natsu's base form isn't some god tier but it is definitely way stronger than Larcade whose only feat is trashing Kagura.
Joking aside, Larcade's got plenty more feats than trashing Kagura, such as flooring the like of Laxus and Gildarts via Pleasure, not to mention his ability to sap strength via Hunger.
Pleasure tentacles are easily dodgeable and need hand gestures to do. Natsu blitzes before that, or easily counters by biting his tongue lol.
"Easily dodgeable"
Yes, easily dodgeable... which is why everyone that Larcade used tentacles against failed to dodge them. Keep in mind that Kagura was caught despite the fact that she earlier reacted to DiMaria's sneak attack from behind.
As for Natsu blitzing.... has he actually blitzed anyone but fodder in this arc? Genuine question, because I don't remember any instances of him doing that outside of his "fight" with fodder when he was helping LS.
Larcade used one light attack against Sting, the advantage for Sting was minimal nuisance at best.
Sting's advantage was a minimal nuisance? If being immune to one of Larcade's hax and his only non-hax move is a minimal nuisance to you, I don't know what to say.
Yes, his hax will stumble Natsu for a couple seconds.
Not seeing how it's only going to stumble him for a couple of seconds when RIP alone had him punching his own face in an attempt to stay awake. Add in Pleasure and Hunger and he's going to have his hands full.
His best hax is utterly useless, and his other haxes couldn't even take down a guy with zero nor a fodder cat. Natsu wins this fight with minimal ease.
That lowballing though, I guess IgNatsu is pathetic since Happy managed to drag him back.
Again, really not seeing how Larcade's hax is "utterly useless" when Natsu isn't immune to it in the slightest.
RIP is easily countered by sheer will force and Natsu does Demo-Fist and creams Larcade.
"Easily countered by sheer willpower"
Which is why Natsu resorted to smashing his own face in and WSDM Sting was punching himself bloody? Right... Sting had to enter the world of shadows to sharpen his senses and even that was stated to only buy him a moment. Seriously, you're lowballing RIP to a ridiculous extent, to the point you're basically arguing with the manga.
Larcade was nothing special amongst the S12 he is easily on the lower scale of the S12, and nowhere close to the high tier. His hype was false, and it died when August admitted he was the true son of Zeref.
So wait, his hype died because he's not a Dragneel? Seems legit.
Zeref himself said he was the secret weapon to combat Acnologia. Now obviously, Acnologia would blitz him, but he'd do that to pretty much anyone when he's serious. And really? Nothing special among the 12? Is that why he floored Gildarts and Laxus with utter ease? Is that why it took someone who is resistant to his main hax to defeat him (though tbf Gray could fit that too, only because of DeS though)? Larcade is pretty much the bane of all humans not named August, since he can even affect those stronger than him to a certain extent. Whoever wins this fight is having the fight of their life.
