Politics Rise of Marxism/Communism.

[shionoro]

I think it's on a spectrum. A lot of right-leaning people think any entitlement is a step towards communism, and in a sense I guess you could say that's true (a very small step). The big thing with Communism, IMO, is property ownership. In a true Communist society it doesn't exist. I think a lot of the entitlements are actually forms of socialism, and not necessarily a bad thing. Governments with no safety nets don't do too well.

On the other hand Governments trying to achieve "Communism" have a poor track record for success. Sometimes it's well intentioned (Mao creating famines, I think, was actually intended to help people but did the opposite) and sometimes it's more about disguising a brutal dictatorship. Every form of government is fair game for criticism, IMO, because everyone wants different things from their government. I don't often see capitalism and communism mixed up, though. I usually see fascism and communism mixed up. Do you have an example of what critics say that's mixing the things up?

Also, an interesting read if anyone has the bandwidth for it: The Dictator's Handbook.

One also has to differentiate between private property and personal property and what ownership means.

In my opinion, effective socialism can only happen in a very democratic society and we mostly do not live in such societies, as most decisions are taken by powerful headfigures (both in corporations, politics or other forms of leaderships), they are not taken among a community.
For example, the workers in a factory have no say about what happens in that factory, and that effectively means that aside from outside regulation, that factory has no democratic control or regulations. That makes sense in smaller businesses (after all, if you open a shop with 5 workers, having them overrule you would be absurd). But certainly, there can be made a huge case about workers in giant franchises like amazon or mcDonalds having a say about their working conditions and having a say about some decisions regarding their workplaces. And that is where the modern form of private property would end and be under a more democratic control.

On a broader scale, that is also true for politics. Right now, one can vote, but cannot influence the decisions that are being made. In the US, effectively, if both the democrats and the republicans think that deportations and their current form of border control is necessary, you cannot vote against it. And in some cases, things that the majority wants are not done because both parties do not want them to happen.
You cannot actively fight for a more just society via politics, because you can (as a normal citizen) only influence who makes decisions.

That way, socialism would always fail, because, as we saw in most examples, it would go along with authoritarianism where a strong state enforces some pseudo egalitarian policies but has to keep being in power by corruption and other undemocratic forms of government.

To achieve socialism, one needs more democracy first.

 

[Darklord#10]

Trump is a malignant narcissist, meaning he's a narcissist, a sociopath, a sadist, and a psychopath. It's the main reason people in the USA find him morally revolting.

I just like he's guts tbh. I like those kind of people. But I've been called many names by people for liking trump. Everyone kept making fun of him that he wasn't going to win the USA 2016 general elections even me I thought he'd lose cuz I wanted Hilary Clinton to win at that time, but Trump suprised everyone and one. It was crazy.

 

[DeadCosmos]

I think we gonna have communism. The population keeps rising and jobs are disappearing due to automation/Artificial Intelligence. The majority of the population eventually won't be able to get jobs in order to make money. The majority of the population will become communist and vote communists and we will have communism!?

 

[M3J]

No. Many people are too brainwashed against communism or socialism for us to have that.

 

[ninjabot]

I don't expect to ever have communism or socialism become prominent in America, but I do expect more progressive social policies to finally become more tenable and one or more to be passed if not because they become more mainstream in the media, then because conservatives have even more trouble trying to bounce back from the MAGA movement allowing for us more progressive lefties to sneak things through under a less radical guise.

Here's hoping.

 

[M3J]

I dunno, given what happened even after FDR did leftist stuff to help people after Hoover did nothing because "free market" or whatever.

 

[Franckie]

Americans will not be voting for "socialism"/"communism" anytime soon for the simple fact they overwhelmingly oppose any form of redistribution of wealth that helps the "lazy" and the "undeserving poor".

 

[mrsticky005]

So I wanted to make this thread to see if there are other people who have Pro-Marxist and Pro-Communist and Pro-Socialist beliefs.

What are your thoughts on it and how do you feel about the rise of the "Left" in today's society?

If there are people who disagree I'd love to have a discussion on those topics as well.

I disagree but that's because I'm an Christian Anarchist who is ideologically opposed to the state.