Lucci is in the realm of First seat commanders; Zoro currently is having a mid diff fight right.
Doflamingo is more comparable to a Luffy who couldn’t defeat Cracker on his own.
Characters above Doflamingo will defeat him with some difficulty, overall their abilities are above his. They won’t be pressured by his ability much as they are just better than Doflamingo.
Parasite string goes out the window unless you can create a scenario where Doflamingo is successful in trapping someone stronger than him. Where in all actuality someone stronger than him simply dodges & beats his ass.
I don't think we've ever seen doflamingo use parasite on someone stronger than him. The most likely scenario is that people who are as strong or stronger than doflamingo can break out of his strings with varying amounts of effort.
I don't think we've ever seen doflamingo use parasite on someone stronger than him. The most likely scenario is that people who are as strong or stronger than doflamingo can break out of his strings with varying amounts of effort.
Parasite ignores power level unless you have top tier CoO to detect parasite, Boundman tier physical strength to break free from parasite or other ways via elements to render parasite useless. Marco and King have not shown counter to parasite. Their CoO are too poor to detect parasite. They are not as strong as Boundman physically too.
Akainu can melt parasite. Kizaru can blitz Doflamingo before he uses parasite. Aokiji can freeze parasite. Fujitora has top tier CoO he can detect parasite.
Take Jozu for example. Doflamingo treated him as a chair. Jozu was helpless. He was on Doflamingo's mercy. Jozu is not as tough as Boundman physically so it makes sense why he cannot break free from parasite.
If you read the manga properly, Gear 4 luffy thrashed Doffy. Despite blocking the attacks with haki, Doffy was sent flying and left in a daze like "where am I? I've been blown so far"?!?? Luffy commented that Doffy stood no chance against him. G4 broke out of parasite strings and doffy got smashed by the King king Gun. That's it easy peasy, direct destruction.
Cracker was different, luffy commented that his haki was so tough and his biscuit warriors were a huge problem. Luffy had to use strategy and with nami's help managed to defeat cracker. If cracker was weaker than doffy, luffy would have gone straight in an destroy him.
Fast-forward to luffy taking out Katakuri and then Kaido with G5. Lucci reappears and gets smashed by Luffy in G5, unable to land a hit on him. We didnt get to see Luffy vs Lucci in G4. But looking at how the story progresses, it's very unlikely that a resurgent and stronger Lucci would still be weaker than doffy. Luffy could keep up with doffy in G2 but unable to land an impactful hit. I doubt g2 luffy can keep up with an awakened lucci. An awakened lucci blitz sentomaru who is said to have incredible defenses so we cant take rob lucci lightly.
All these are theories and based on evidences but I would give this fight to rob lucci, one of the stronger CP0 members who should be YC1 level at least. Doffy should be close to Cracker, probs around YC3. Doubt Doffy is stronger than Jack as well.
If you read the manga properly, Gear 4 luffy thrashed Doffy. Despite blocking the attacks with haki, Doffy was sent flying and left in a daze like "where am I? I've been blown so far"?!?? Luffy commented that Doffy stood no chance against him. G4 broke out of parasite strings and doffy got smashed by the King king Gun. That's it easy peasy, direct destruction.
Cracker was different, luffy commented that his haki was so tough and his biscuit warriors were a huge problem. Luffy had to use strategy and with nami's help managed to defeat cracker. If cracker was weaker than doffy, luffy would have gone straight in an destroy him.
Fast-forward to luffy taking out Katakuri and then Kaido with G5. Lucci reappears and gets smashed by Luffy in G5, unable to land a hit on him. We didnt get to see Luffy vs Lucci in G4. But looking at how the story progresses, it's very unlikely that a resurgent and stronger Lucci would still be weaker than doffy. Luffy could keep up with doffy in G2 but unable to land an impactful hit. I doubt g2 luffy can keep up with an awakened lucci. An awakened lucci blitz sentomaru who is said to have incredible defenses so we cant take rob lucci lightly.
All these are theories and based on evidences but I would give this fight to rob lucci, one of the stronger CP0 members who should be YC1 level at least. Doffy should be close to Cracker, probs around YC3. Doubt Doffy is stronger than Jack as well.
Why Cracker stalemating Boundman changes Doflamingo's portrayal treating Jozu like a fodder? That's Cracker's hype. Just because Cracker shows great portrayal fighting Boundman better than Doflamingo, that doesn't mean other YC3 can replicate the same feat. I would say Cracker is YC2 only Lucky Roo a YC2 who is above him. Jozu, Jack, Queen, Jack and other YC2/YC3 are weaker than him.
Doflamingo remains above Jozu. Cracker's portrayal doesn't change that Doflamingo is above Jozu. The only thing that changes is Cracker is the top of YC2.
Doflamingo was also nerfed by Gamma Knife when he was fighting Boundman. So Doflamingo and Cracker more or less are on similar level.
There's also no portrayal for Marco to be above Doflamingo. Cracker's portrayal is his own hype. It's irrelevant to Marco and other YC2/YC3 because Cracker is never stated to be below Marco or other YC2/YC3.
In MF Marco was portrayed on peer with Jozu both fought admirals. If Marco were stronger, Jozu should fight vice admiral/admiral candidate. On the other hand, Doflamingo was portrayed above Jozu treating him like a chair.
Marco clashed with Kizaru. Doflamingo's equal Crocodile clashed with Mihawk. Clashing with Mihawk is arguable a better portrayal because Mihawk is portrayed as strong as Shanks who kept bullying admirals.
Moreover from Marco's kits he lacks CoO to detect parasite and Boundman physical strength to break free from paraite. It's absurd to put Marco above Doflamingo. Marco is stronger than Doflamingo however they're still in the same tier.
Lucci has no counter to parasite. Lack CoO to detect it. Lack Boundman physical strength to break free from it.
There's no proof that awakening Lucci can beat Gear 2 Luffy. Pre TS he lost to Gear 2 Luffy with time limit. Post TS Luffy did not have time limit using Gear 2. Post TS Gear 2 Luffy will keep blitzing Lucci. Awakening also only boosts physical toughness and recovery (stated by Crocodile). Awakening won't help him to keep up with Gear 2 speed. He'll get blitzed again just like in pre TS.
Sentomaru is fodder. Pre TS he got stalemated by Monster Chopper. Monster Chopper got 1 shot by Punk Hazard Luffy. Sentomaru despite getting pacifista's help also got roughed up by Boa who is on Doflamingo's level.
Lucci is in the realm of First seat commanders; Zoro currently is having a mid diff fight right.
Doflamingo is more comparable to a Luffy who couldn’t defeat Cracker on his own.
Characters above Doflamingo will defeat him with some difficulty, overall their abilities are above his. They won’t be pressured by his ability much as they are just better than Doflamingo.
Parasite string goes out the window unless you can create a scenario where Doflamingo is successful in trapping someone stronger than him. Where in all actuality someone stronger than him simply dodges & beats his ass.
Cracker is the strongest YC2 after Lucky Roo and Gaban so that's a good portrayal for Cracker not for Jozu who Doflamingo already humiliated or Queen who needed 5+ chapters to beat nerfed Sanji while it took Doflamingo only 3 or 4 pages.
Marco and King cannot dodge parasite. They lack CoO to detect it. They also lack Boundman strength to break free from it. Parasite 100% works on them. Not saying they would lose to Doflamingo in 1 on 1. Just saying they're not several tiers above Doflamingo. They would win but they would need an extreme effort because parasite 100% is effective against them.
Cracker is the strongest YC2 after Lucky Roo and Gaban so that's a good portrayal for Cracker not for Jozu who Doflamingo already humiliated or Queen who needed 5+ chapters to beat nerfed Sanji while it took Doflamingo only 3 or 4 pages.
Marco and King cannot dodge parasite. They lack CoO to detect it. They also lack Boundman strength to break free from it. Parasite 100% works on them. Not saying they would lose to Doflamingo in 1 on 1. Just saying they're not several tiers above Doflamingo. They would win but they would need an extreme effort because parasite 100% is effective against them.
Cracker is positioned after Smoothie at YC3 in the Big Mom Pirates…Do you rank him among the YC2?
Kudos. Doflamingo is Good versatile villian. I have him somewhere on the level of a YC2 & YC3…Where it’s too lazy & bias to say he beats characters with some decent feats just because of Parasite string .
Cracker is positioned after Smoothie at YC3 in the Big Mom Pirates…Do you rank him among the YC2?
Kudos. Doflamingo is Good versatile villian. I have him somewhere on the level of a YC2 & YC3…Where it’s too lazy & bias to say he beats characters with some decent feats just because of Parasite string .
No he doesn't Cracker feat and portrayal are above Smoothie. Cracker is paralleled with King and Queen getting beaten by admiral. Smoothie has no feat or portrayal to be placed above Cracker.
Nah Doflamingo is only equal to Cracker. Not to Jozu who he already humiliated or Queen who struggled against nerfed Sanji because there's no statement in the manga that Cracker is as strong or weaker than Jozu and Queen so Cracker feat cannot be given to them. Cracker's feat and portrayal only elevates Katakuri not Jozu and Queen who are from different crews.
Gaban
Lucky Roo
Cracker/Doflamingo
Rest of YC2 and YC3
Killer any scabbards except Sulong, any YC3 and YC2 bar Cracker, Gaban and Lucky Roo all lost to Doflamingo. Don't give Cracker feats to them when they have not shown they are above Boundman,
What feats do scabbards have? Queen, King, Jack cannot hurt Kaido that doesn't mean they are weaker than scabbards. The only feats they have is ap in team effort. Individually Kaido mogs them in 1 second.
This is like Sanji got humiliated by Vergo then Vergo got 1 shot by Law. Suddenly Sanji is also above Vergo. It doesn't work like that. Law 1 shoting Vergo only put Law above Vergo. It doesn't put Sanji above Vergo.
Just like Cracker doing better than Doflamingo against Boundman only put Cracker on par with Doflamingo. It doesn't put Jozu who already got humiliated by Doflamingo or Queen who needed 5+ chapters to beat nerfed Sanji above or on par with Doflamingo.
AP/Endurance/Stamina/Speed is useless against parasite. They don't help Marco/King to detect parasite or break free from parasite because ap=/=physical strength.
Marco and King need extreme effort to beat Doflamingo because they don't have counter to parasite. Marco and King are also not a speedster don't know where you got this from. Marco got blitzed by Big Mom. King in speed mode never blitzed any relevant character.
Lucci is in the realm of First seat commanders; Zoro currently is having a mid diff fight right.
Doflamingo is more comparable to a Luffy who couldn’t defeat Cracker on his own.
Characters above Doflamingo will defeat him with some difficulty, overall their abilities are above his. They won’t be pressured by his ability much as they are just better than Doflamingo.
Parasite string goes out the window unless you can create a scenario where Doflamingo is successful in trapping someone stronger than him. Where in all actuality someone stronger than him simply dodges & beats his ass.
I like to take portrayal and circumstances into consideration when thinking about power levels.
I give it to Doffy with mid difficulty. Full strength Doffy can easily defeat Law and G2/G3 Luffy without taking true blue damage. He can create up to three clones and use awakening. Funny part is. He outclassed Luffy and Law without all three clones or his awakening. Luffy couldn’t even block a single Doffy attack without being blown away until Law nearly killed him. Without outside factors, Doffy completely dominates Luffy and Law at the same time. Let that sink in. G4 Luffy doesn’t blow away a half dead Doffy in a fair 1v1 because of overall health/stamina Doffy is also a conqueror and much more stylish.
The main issue G4 luffy had against doflamingo in dressrosa is that G4 simply didn't last enough to win the fight. But otherwise doflamingo couldn't do THAT much against it. By the time WCI ended luffy had a more than decent grasp of foresight... I would argue that alone would be more than enough to give luffy a significant edge over doflamingo. He'd had the sheer physical edge he already had compounded by being able to see doflamingo's attacks coming a mile away. Basically early wano luffy would clober doflamingo. Which makes sense considering luffy ultimately beat katakuri fair and square (which was BS but it is what it is). Lucci managed to tango with G5 luffy... there's no way doflamingo has a chance. Lucci is at least comparable to top yonko commanders. I would still make the case that the point made during the WCI arc is that the yonko are terrifying because even a pirate like doflamingo doesn't hold up against top yonko executives.
At this point in the game, it should be Lucci. Maybe Doffy will come back later with the Shichibukai buff, but his feats are outdated and don't look good against Lucci.
As already mentioned, the Luffy that Lucci fought was significantly stronger than the one Doffy fought. Lucci didn't manage to land a blow, but he demonstrated he could match one haki fueled punch with him, which is better than anything Doffy could claim against a weaker Gear 5. He was only able to match Luffy like that in his base form.
As weird as it is to say, Lucci wrecks Doffy's shit as it is now. Anybody that can keep up with post-Wano Luffy and stalemate post-Wano Zoro isn't going to have a massive problem against Doffy.
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