Chapter Tower of God Chapter 592 Spoilers & Discussion

[King Dryst]

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[Shiinhye1]

 

[Vali x lucifer]

Why can't she simply be that durable? She was a candidate for a reason. She didn't write anything about her durability during the fight.

As smart as Gustang is, I don't think he has the means and the knowledge to create Zahard Princess. If he had he would have probably buffed all those able to take it.

Sure, she could simply be born like that, but it's very bizarre how someone that is around Yuri power lvl, while neither being a princess of Zahard nor having a family background of proven exceptional body strenght compared with those of the Ha family, actually held out well in raw body strenght, butting heads etc. but then needed the help of an item to get the upper hand fighting as a wave controller basically.

Imagine seeing an older version of Hollan create shinsu attacks on par with an Eurasian prodigy princess (just as an example) said to take after Blossom in most aspects, only to not be able to control a shinheuh just as well as said princess. Something feels off

 

[Tsdreamss]

It is worth noting that it's entirely feasible tiara's durability had something to do with her word power. Realistically speaking yuri is pretty much in the realm of comically durable as a result of her lineage and empowerment via zahard's blood. Even among high rankers and even among her own family there shouldn't be that many folk who even come close to her in durability alone. Shenanigans are a better explanation for tiara's durability than her acquiring it through training or something like that. Even if tiara actually had that durability naturally it'd be BS.

Lmaooo omg. Why would she even need to increase her durability with the pen when she can just make herself untouchable ?? Y’all are so unserious. Her scenarios don’t work when hasn’t got her pen and yet she didn’t melt from haetaes fire attack that both her and Yuri dodged and was said to be able to melt HR with its smoke alone and was able to take yuris kick in this chapter. Her durability is the result of her being from a Great family and being a strong HR, y’all always have to come up with the craziest things. She increased her durability with then pen when she can simply go intangible ?? Lol ok. She increased her durability with the pen to top 500 level ?? If she did increase it with the pen why didn’t she make her durability top 50 level or something ? Not even you believe this.

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Sure, she could simply be born like that, but it's very bizarre how someone that is around Yuri power lvl, while neither being a princess of Zahard nor having a family background of proven exceptional body strenght compared with those of the Ha family, actually held out well in raw body strenght, butting heads etc. but then needed the help of an item to get the upper hand fighting as a wave controller basically.

Imagine seeing an older version of Hollan create shinsu attacks on par with an Eurasian prodigy princess (just as an example) said to take after Blossom in most aspects, only to not be able to control a shinheuh just as well as said princess. Something feels off

Mmmm no it’s not ? The HA’s may have strong bodies but that’s not what they are truly masters at, jinsung said it himself. The Ha’s use their bodies as sandbags, to the average ranker and even HR they are probably insanely more durable than them, but in contention with other HR at their level it’s pretty much disregarded and irrelevant. And / or on the same level. Such as jinsung with kallavan and yuri with tiara, their specialty isn’t actually in durability. It’s like lero ro, he’s a jeonsula but his specialty is in light bearing. Why is it far fetched to assume other great family members can’t overcome that with their own prowess.

 

[Razor_91]

She increased her durability with the pen to top 500 level ?? If she did increase it with the pen why didn’t she make her durability top 50 level or something ? Not even you believe this.

I also don't find it very likely that she used the pen to increase her durability. But in the same way you could also ask why she didn't use the pen to generate stronger techniques instead of replicating Yuris techniques.

Mmmm no it’s not ? The HA’s may have strong bodies but that’s not what they are truly masters at, jinsung said it himself. The Ha’s use their bodies as sandbags, to the average ranker and even HR they are probably insanely more durable than them, but in contention with other HR at their level it’s pretty much disregarded and irrelevant. And / or on the same level. Such as jinsung with kallavan and yuri with tiara, their specialty isn’t actually in durability. It’s like lero ro, he’s a jeonsula but his specialty is in light bearing. Why is it far fetched to assume other great family members can’t overcome that with their own prowess.

There is some truth to this but Yuri is special even among direct descendants of the Ha family. She inherited Yurin's bloodline very strongly and as a princess she also received Zahard's blood. There shouldn't be anyone in her age group who can compare to her in terms of body strength. I think the most likely explanation is that Tiara is simply older than Yuri.

Besides as you mentioned the Ha family isn't only specialized in durability. They are said to be the family with the best body strengthening techniques. So even if their durability is comparable Yuri should have the advantage in hand to hand combat due to the superior techniques of the Ha family.

 

[Demonspeed]

I don't think it's been said that she inherited Yurin's blood strongly or anything like that. Just that she resembles her and that she is the most talented in the family.

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Sure, she could simply be born like that, but it's very bizarre how someone that is around Yuri power lvl, while neither being a princess of Zahard nor having a family background of proven exceptional body strenght compared with those of the Ha family, actually held out well in raw body strenght, butting heads etc. but then needed the help of an item to get the upper hand fighting as a wave controller basically.

Imagine seeing an older version of Hollan create shinsu attacks on par with an Eurasian prodigy princess (just as an example) said to take after Blossom in most aspects, only to not be able to control a shinheuh just as well as said princess. Something feels off

She was able to do well but it's not like it's her specialty. As a WC, the only thing she has shown was her speed at firing these deadly Shinsoo balls. She didn't use other techniques unlike Yuri.

 

[Razor_91]

I don't think it's been said that she inherited Yurin's blood strongly or anything like that. Just that she resembles her and that she is the most talented in the family.

Khun said this to Rak when they first met Yuri on the hell train. I think both her talent and the fact that she resembles her so much can be attributed to this.

 

[O_n_Sly]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Bam keeps the pen and gives Tiara BM LOL

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The pen is a better fit for Bam instead of Tiara

 

[King Dryst]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Bam keeps the pen and gives Tiara BM LOL

If he does that, then he'd might as well also use that pen to sign Yuri's death warrant. He should be giving the real Black March back to Yuri as it is, but he definitely should not be giving it to someone else to bandy about and draw attention to the fact that Yuri gave it away and is hiding it with a replica.

 

[Tsdreamss]

I also don't find it very likely that she used the pen to increase her durability. But in the same way you could also ask why she didn't use the pen to generate stronger techniques instead of replicating Yuris techniques.



There is some truth to this but Yuri is special even among direct descendants of the Ha family. She inherited Yurin's bloodline very strongly and as a princess she also received Zahard's blood. There shouldn't be anyone in her age group who can compare to her in terms of body strength. I think the most likely explanation is that Tiara is simply older than Yuri.

Besides as you mentioned the Ha family isn't only specialized in durability. They are said to be the family with the best body strengthening techniques. So even if their durability is comparable Yuri should have the advantage in hand to hand combat due to the superior techniques of the Ha family.

The awnser is because she didn’t need to. She recreated the rose shower because she wanted to prove to yuri that with the pen she could do anything and that her power was very much real. What better way to do it then to copy her own shinsu quality ? And quadruple it at that ? It should be impossible. It’s the best proof she could’ve used.

yuri is special because she resembles yurin and has a personality like her. her durability is strong but as a great granddaughter there are numerous people in the HA family closer in the lineage and maybe even her age ( a 500 year old grandson possibly ) who are much more durable than her. Zahards blood does add a difference but even then I doubt it holds that much weight. Just because her family specialises in hand to hand does not mean she’ll have the upper hand in cqc , that’s literally what jinsung was saying. HA’s nowadays don’t follow the old Technical teachings of martial arts and that includes Yuri who is only 500 years old

 

[Razor_91]

yuri is special because she resembles yurin and has a personality like her. her durability is strong but as a great granddaughter there are numerous people in the HA family closer in the lineage and maybe even her age ( a 500 year old grandson possibly ) who are much more durable than her.

In the Ha family the people from the lineage of Yurins twins with Ari Han are all treated as direct descendants. Besides it's literally written in the story that she strongly inherited Yurin’s bloodline and that she is considered to be the most talented member of the family.
For sure there are people in the Ha family with more durable bodies, but all of them should be considerably older than her like Jinsung.

Zahards blood does add a difference but even then I doubt it holds that much weight.

The princesses are considered the "ultimate species" in the Tower (obviously excluding irregulars). The fact that the two highest non-irregulars in the ranking are princesses further proves this. So it for sure holds much weight, but of course it won't be enough to bridge the gap between her and High Rankers on the level of JInsung/Kallavan who are much stronger and older than her.

Just because her family specialises in hand to hand does not mean she’ll have the upper hand in cqc , that’s literally what jinsung was saying. HA’s nowadays don’t follow the old Technical teachings of martial arts and that includes Yuri who is only 500 years old

They are still being considered the family with the strongest body strenghtening abilities even without displaying the more technical skills like Jinsung. Besides he also called himself a "very special guy" even in the Ha family. So not sure if he is completely representative.

Just because the younger generation is lacking in that area compared to Jinsung it doesn't mean that they aren't still outstanding in comparison to others. You will surely find some ancient High Rankers from other families who would similarly find fault with the younger generations techniques.

For example if someone from the Arie family would claim that their younger generations sword techniques are crude in comparison to the ancient teachings. Would you then assume that they are lacking in that area compared to others? No probably not. Their younger generation, especially a 13 month princess and direct descendant of their family would still be much superior to other sword users of similar rank.

 

[Tsdreamss]

In the Ha family the people from the lineage of Yurins twins with Ari Han are all treated as direct descendants. Besides it's literally written in the story that she strongly inherited Yurin’s bloodline and that she is considered to be the most talented member of the family.
For sure there are people in the Ha family with more durable bodies, but all of them should be considerably older than her like Jinsung.


The princesses are considered the "ultimate species" in the Tower (obviously excluding irregulars). The fact that the two highest non-irregulars in the ranking are princesses further proves this. So it for sure holds much weight, but of course it won't be enough to bridge the gap between her and High Rankers on the level of JInsung/Kallavan who are much stronger and older than her.



They are still being considered the family with the strongest body strenghtening abilities even without displaying the more technical skills like Jinsung. Besides he also called himself a "very special guy" even in the Ha family. So not sure if he is completely representative.

Just because the younger generation is lacking in that area compared to Jinsung it doesn't mean that they aren't still outstanding in comparison to others. You will surely find some ancient High Rankers from other families who would similarly find fault with the younger generations techniques.

For example if someone from the Arie family would claim that their younger generations sword techniques are crude in comparison to the ancient teachings. Would you then assume that they are lacking in that area compared to others? No probably not. Their younger generation, especially a 13 month princess and direct descendant of their family would still be much superior to other sword users of similar rank.

Lmaoo omg. I never said she wasn’t a direct descendant? However she’s a great granddaughter meaning there are those much closer or as close to yurin in the family lineage. Such as yurins grandchildren like jinsung and other great grandchildren. HA’s who follow the true teachings of their family are bound to be stronger.

Her STRONGLY inheriting yurins bloodline is In Reference to how they look similar and share a similar personality, it doesn’t literally refer to her having more of yurins blood than other people closer in the family lineage. She’s the most talented because she’s one of the youngest in the family and has already became an established princess, talented does not equal strongest.

why would they have to be older then her ? Older people have children all the time, I expect the same in TOG aswell. Might be a reach but who’s to say a grandchild didn’t have a child until they was already a few thousand years old ? That child could be the Same age as yuri. Who’s to say there aren’t other great grandchildren comparable or maybe even above Yuri born in her generation ? I find it hard to beilve that other then the twins and jinsungs peers there aren’t any other young talents beside Yuri, Ha satchas background proves they are obsessed with making strong children and they are ranked 3rd in the GF’s

Im talking about from a power standpoint not influence, they are considered the highest species due to inheriting the blood of the king. The highest being in the tower. However not only is this purely influential but a drop of zahards blood does not make you the strongest species, sorry. It makes you stronger sure but there’s also ancients and other great family members we’ve seen who are plenty stronger than a princess. Even if you was correct then that would mean the princes may be the strongest.

ennes high rank is partly because of her power but mainly as she’s the child of two irregulars, Adoris comes from her being the chief of zahards army. Neither are stronger than an irregular therefore their rank is most likely due to their influence. Although, of course strong.

Of course they are, because the average HA probably is more durable than any other person. However the fact that it’s not their specialty means that it’s hard, not impossible to surpass them in it. If strong enough or from a great family it could be possible. It’s like if I was a master at chess but good at football, it would be hard to beat Me in football however not impossible. Although it would be impossible to beat me in chess. It’s hard to surpass them in durability but not impossible, martial arts is their true strength

…this analogy doenst make any sense, Arie swordsmanship itself cannot be used by anyone not apart of the family. Meaning regardless on if they have crude techniques or not, ofc they would be better compared to other sword users. Durability is something that all people have, especially high tiers in the verse like kallavan. It’s something that all residents can cultivate to the best of their ability, meaning it could and is being rivalled by those not apart of the HA family

 

[Razor_91]

Lmaoo omg. I never said she wasn’t a direct descendant? However she’s a great granddaughter meaning there are those much closer or as close to yurin in the family lineage. Such as yurins grandchildren like jinsung and other great grandchildren. HA’s who follow the true teachings of their family are bound to be stronger.

Her STRONGLY inheriting yurins bloodline is In Reference to how they look similar and share a similar personality, it doesn’t literally refer to her having more of yurins blood than other people closer in the family lineage. She’s the most talented because she’s one of the youngest in the family and has already became an established princess, talented does not equal strongest.

why would they have to be older then her ? Older people have children all the time, I expect the same in TOG aswell. Might be a reach but who’s to say a grandchild didn’t have a child until they was already a few thousand years old ? That child could be the Same age as yuri. Who’s to say there aren’t other great grandchildren comparable or maybe even above Yuri born in her generation ? I find it hard to beilve that other then the twins and jinsungs peers there aren’t any other young talents beside Yuri, Ha satchas background proves they are obsessed with making strong children and they are ranked 3rd in the GF’s

What more is there to say about this other than that she is being considered the most talented member of the Ha family. That means that her potential should be the highest even including people like Jinsung who are higher up in the family tree.

If you consider that she also received Zahard’s blood then it doesn’t make any sense to believe that there are stronger people in the Ha family who are the same age or younger than her.

It might be unusual for a great grandchild to have superior talent compared to descendants higher up in the family tree, but this is how SIU has written it in this case.

Of course they are, because the average HA probably is more durable than any other person. However the fact that it’s not their specialty means that it’s hard, not impossible to surpass them in it. If strong enough or from a great family it could be possible. It’s like if I was a master at chess but good at football, it would be hard to beat Me in football however not impossible. Although it would be impossible to beat me in chess. It’s hard to surpass them in durability but not impossible, martial arts is their true strength

…this analogy doenst make any sense, Arie swordsmanship itself cannot be used by anyone not apart of the family. Meaning regardless on if they have crude techniques or not, ofc they would be better compared to other sword users. Durability is something that all people have, especially high tiers in the verse like kallavan. It’s something that all residents can cultivate to the best of their ability, meaning it could and is being rivalled by those not apart of the HA family

This wasn't just about their durability. My point is that the techniques and body strengthening abilities of the Ha family should give her the edge in a close combat fight against someone from the Po Bidau family with similar durability.

Arie swordmanship can't be used by others but they can use their own sword techniques to compete with them. In the same way others can use their own body strengthening techniques to compete with those from the Ha family. But sure that comparison isn't completely accurate since there are more factors like the basic physical capabilities that also need to be considered.

 

[Vali x lucifer]

Mmmm no it’s not ? The HA’s may have strong bodies but that’s not what they are truly masters at, jinsung said it himself. The Ha’s use their bodies as sandbags, to the average ranker and even HR they are probably insanely more durable than them, but in contention with other HR at their level it’s pretty much disregarded and irrelevant. And / or on the same level. Such as jinsung with kallavan and yuri with tiara, their specialty isn’t actually in durability. It’s like lero ro, he’s a jeonsula but his specialty is in light bearing. Why is it far fetched to assume other great family members can’t overcome that with their own prowess.

It's possible to overcome the Ha's in body strength and overall durability but it's not "common" nor something disregarded as irrelevant at the High Ranker lvl by any means. Kallavan is the pinnacle of a bloodline designed to produce strong bodies, generations upon generations of selective breeding led to Kallavan and his body, yet without the essence of bravery he wouldn't have a chance against Jinsung and his higher level shinsu boosts.
Pudidy as one of the absolute best fighters in LPB couldn't keep up physically with a serious Jinsung, and needed to combo his shinheuh special skills, another High Ranker skills and a hit and run strat to overwhelm Jinsung and how sturdy he is.
Overall i wouldn't have found the exchange particularly strange if not for the fact that Yuri has Zahard power which notoriously gives freakishly strong bodies to the princesses and regardless of Family background skews princesses to have the best affinity with the fisherman position.

 

[hblock]

yuri is special because she resembles yurin and has a personality like her. her durability is strong but as a great granddaughter there are numerous people in the HA family closer in the lineage and maybe even her age ( a 500 year old grandson possibly ) who are much more durable than her.

No way, Z princesses are chosen because they're more talented, genetically better, than others. As such, you can see Yuriais an outlier who won the genetical lottery, inheritely far stronger than anyone else in the Ha family even if she's a great granddaughter. Lineage barely means who has "more chances" of inheriting the good genes and it ends here. When Z princesses are concerned, we're talking about the exception.
Yuri's durabiliy feats are also insane if you look at the Ha family as a whole.

 

[Ignorant]

No way, Z princesses are chosen because they're more talented, genetically better, than the others. Yuri is just an outlier who won the genetical lottery and is inheritely far stronger than anyone else in the Ha family even if she's a great granddaughter. Lineage barely means who has "more chances" of inheriting the good genes. When Z princesses are concerned, we're talking about the exception.
Yuri's durabiliy feats are also insane if you look at the Ha family as a whole.

She is also just 500 years old
Like 200 more years than Anak JR and androssi iirc,
Crazy.

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The author refuse to let her grab a W tho.

 

[Razor_91]

She is also just 500 years old
Like 200 more years than Anak JR and androssi iirc,
Crazy.

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The author refuse to let her grab a W tho.

Yeah that's a bit annoying. But that’s a problem for many high rankers on Baam’s side at the moment. There are so many unfinished fights. It just feels like most of them aren’t ready for a confrontation on this level yet, especially characters like Yuri, Karaka and Yama.

But they are at least portrayed as young high rankers who are still growing stronger. So there is hope for the future. But the author even refused to give Cha the W against Kukuda. After that epic punch he just let him grab the princesses. I hope he gets the chance to finish off that guy.

 

[King Dryst]

But they are at least portrayed as young high rankers who are still growing stronger. So there is hope for the future. But the author even refused to give Cha the W against Kukuda. After that epic punch he just let him grab the princesses. I hope he gets the chance to finish off that guy.

That phoenix and its regenerative abilities seem like a prime morsel for Baam to absorb.

 

[XXGenesis]

Baam is going to cook Elibaba this should be slightly interesting.

Damn Lobadon addressing Kirin….!!! The Pre showdown is here. Of course the FH are the main dish but I’ve been waiting on this appetizer since it’s been cooking. Both are my favorite Lo Lo Bia Members

 

[O_n_Sly]

The tree has Kukada wrapped up and in PRIME position for a HEADSHOT!!!

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I hope Kirin has more exBHs in the sub looking for Bam. Perper ain’t enough!

 

[sho87]

Tiara will redeem herself I feel she's got more than Yuri in terms of being the stronger of the two, also Siu I thinks really likes writing her alongside Yuri and might be a recurring character.

 

[Demonspeed]

Yuri is physically stronger, but Tiara is strong enough to not get overwhelmed, that's it. You guys are overthinking IMO.

It's not like Yuri and Tiara kept fighting in a brawl. Had it been the case Tiara would have progressively lose her footing.

She is also just 500 years old
Like 200 more years than Anak JR and androssi iirc,
Crazy.

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The author refuse to let her grab a W tho.

At least 500 years old.