Hiro. implied. Gildarts. could. defeat. most. of. Spriggan. mid-low. difficulty.... This damn tournament, people are just making things up out of thin air. Im voting Natsu, better feats... growth rate... lack of current Gildarts stats...
While I don't agree with most of the details in the post that you quoted, I do agree with the sentiment: Gildarts hasn't returned for a reason. Gildarts has been written out of virtually every arc because of how powerful he is, he would just beat the opposition meaning the plot wouldn't be interesting and it's this that makes me think Gildarts is still a behemoth and above Natsu as why would he still be gone if he wasn't too strong?
Because Hiro hasn't thought of a good way to put him in the plot.......Like they are multiple people stronger than Gildarts in this arc.
That might be true, or he might just not want Gildarts in these arcs due to the amount of characters already in them, and therefore Gildarts has an easy excuse as to why he is not there(he travels a lot). Honestly if you are voting for Gildarts then you are either saying that each Spriggan is roughly on par with Bluenote, or you are not following the rules of the tournament. To be clear I do believe that Gildarts will come back powerful enough to fight a Spriggan, simply because like you said he will be a turning point in the arc most likely. However either Hiro will have to say he trained or his power level is completely off, which imo most of his power levels already are to some extent haha. Like I said I don't believe you can follow the rules of the tournament and come to the conclusion that Gildarts wins this, his best feat was beating Bluenote mid-high diff on his home turf ( Tenrou Island). Which to me is simply not enough considering Natsu oneshotted him last arc.
It's not that simple. I have yet to see a convincing post where Gildarts is on the same level as Bluenote. Meaning that the Spriggans are not on Bluenote's level either. Granted, he probably isn't on the level of August, Irene, and Zeref, he could still be stronger than Natsu.
I never said Gildarts wasn't above Bluenote, i was saying that for him to beat Wall, and Natsu, who I believe to be Spriggan level opponents, then you would have to conclude that Bluenote is on par with the Spriggans from what we know. I would actually like if Holt clarified what is reasonable speculation. I mean that is so subjective, you might as well just not have the rule about in manga feats, and let people speculate away imo. Don't get me wrong i even chose to go with my gut rather than complete feats during some of the earlier rounds because it is so hard particularly with a series like FT, which imo has some very questionable inconsistencies in terms of power levels. I just don't understand how thinking Gildarts, a character who's best feat is beating Bluenote with some difficulty, Where as a character in Natsu who he is fighting now, oneshotted Bluenote just an arc ago, is not going against the tournament rules. My understanding from the rules is that we have to judge these characters from what we have seen in the manga (pictures,texts), where in the manga does it say we can power scale Gildarts after 1 year to this level?
There are 2 reasons why we can speculate about the level of DF Natsu;
Where's the proof that Natsu was using a Fire Dragon King Spell in his base state?. He could've easily been using a FDK spell in his FDKM form against Ikusa. Where's the evidence that Natsu can use fire dragon king spells in his base form? I want actual proof, not what you believe or opinion-oriented.
Yeah, I see where you're getting at but what you're essentially saying is this:
True. But two of the times he used an external source for power. That one time in Tartaros may or may not prove that Natsu can activate DF at will. But I don't really care to debate that because I'm fine with Natsu being able to activate it at will. I have more of a problem with the speculation involved in claiming the power boost Natsu attains from it.
There are problems with this kind of logic. For example, I happen to disagree that Bradman was more powerful than God Serena. He was taken out by one punch. God Serena, on the other hand, defeated 4 wizards on the caliber of Erza and higher.
This a Gildarts vs Natsu thread.
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Gildarts was punching bluenotestinger with regular punches. His first hit with crash infused punched sent him into the clouds. It actually divided the clouds and stopped the storm on tenro. That's how powerful the shockwave was.
Well let me clarify, for example, we've not seen Post TS Jellal cast Sema. However, we've seen that he's increased a fair bit in strength as his GC is not on the same level as before. Reasonable speculation in this case would be an acknowledgment that Post TS Sema is leagues above pre TS and thus scaling it to an appropriate level. Basically, reasonable speculation is intended for feats that haven't yet been shown but can be inferred going by canon material.
It is a mistake to think that Gajeel defeated Brad with strenght. Never mind how strong Gejeel can be, he cant beat Brad with his fists bs Brad intangible (I hope it is right word). Only way why Gajeel defeated Brad is his own (Brad) antimagic which been absorbed by Gajeel and allow him to do damage to Brad. With the same ability even Max can kill him.
Please tell me how you interpreted the fight that way. No funny shit, I am dead serious, Gajeel literally mops the floor with him while using no actual Dragon Slaying moves but Bradman is stronger. Please, I am generally curious.
Thanks for clarifying this Holt, so in other words though, Gildarts being scaled power wise to this level is not reasonable speculation?
His sentence is a contradiction, but it is sarcasm. He's saying that Gajeel mops the floor with Bradman and quotes you saying G>B. Thus contradiction. He's not saying G>B, he's actually denying it
Yeah and that's before the timeskip where Natsu gained a massive power up. Honestly if we are going to say that power scaling characters that don't fight for arcs at a time is ok then why have this rule at all? My understanding is that it is intended to keep the focus on character feats not speculation, which is exactly what power scaling a character is.
